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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | $15.00 minimum wage won't speed automation. Automation is a given. How often do any of you actually go into a bank nowadays? How many buy stamps and mail bill payments? Computers have made the lazy, lazier. |
No, it will speed automation. If you raise labor costs, companies will have increased incentive to reduce labor costs through automation. But yes, automation is a given in the long run. It's a question of when, not whether. |
OK, it will speed it up but isn't automation rolling full speed ahead right now?
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The automobile industry production line is an example of so called progress. Relating to the embolden | Quote: | | Instead of a fight for such a dramatic increase in the minimum wage, training programs and workforce education initiatives would be more beneficial to both employees and the employers, according to Mathur. She suggested that, “the only real solution is to enable these people to acquire a different skill set that does not let their job be wiped out by a machine |
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Soo... thanks Russia for unveiling the corruption in the DNC that led to Donald Trump being elected? |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: |
Soo... thanks Russia for unveiling the corruption in the DNC that led to Donald Trump being elected? |
Dude. I keep checking your iP to see if it matches Donald's... 
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| Omar Little wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: |
Soo... thanks Russia for unveiling the corruption in the DNC that led to Donald Trump being elected? |
Dude. I keep checking your iP to see if it matches Donald's... |
Hah!
I know what you mean, but believe me, it feels dirty to defend Donald. My hope is that our party learned something and we come back strong in two years. |
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Omar Little
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: |
Soo... thanks Russia for unveiling the corruption in the DNC that led to Donald Trump being elected? |
Dude. I keep checking your iP to see if it matches Donald's... |
Hah!
I know what you mean, but believe me, it feels dirty to defend Donald. My hope is that our party learned something and we come back strong in two years. |
Well, one thing they learned is that you can win the second most votes ever and lose, and people will act like you're a bad candidate. That's Trump's appeal. Even the far left fell for it.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: |
Soo... thanks Russia for unveiling the corruption in the DNC that led to Donald Trump being elected? |
Dude. I keep checking your iP to see if it matches Donald's... |
Hah!
I know what you mean, but believe me, it feels dirty to defend Donald. My hope is that our party learned something and we come back strong in two years. |
Well, one thing they learned is that you can win the second most votes ever and lose, and people will act like you're a bad candidate. That's Trump's appeal. Even the far left fell for it. |
OR to ignore California as long as we have the electoral college, because you can win by 10 million votes there and still lose an election. Popular vote means nothing as long as that's in place. Strip California from 2016 and HRC took a brutal shellacking.
California is 55 for the DNC and doesn't mean anything on a larger scale as it sits. It accounts for her entire popular vote winning total, and means nothing on a national scale. |
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Omar Little
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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oBama crushed California too. And the Democrats won the national totals for the Senate and the house too.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | oBama crushed California too. And the Democrats won the national totals for the Senate and the house too. |
National totals mean nothing in our current election system though. We need to focus on winning those battles. |
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| I love how you guys go back to the popular vote when it means nothing in the grand scheme of determining the President. Hasn't for our entire history of the US and probably won't until a Constitutional amendment passes, which is very unlikely. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | I love how you guys go back to the popular vote when it means nothing in the grand scheme of determining the President. Hasn't for our entire history of the US and probably won't until a Constitutional amendment passes, which is very unlikely. |
That's what I've been saying. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | I love how you guys go back to the popular vote when it means nothing in the grand scheme of determining the President. Hasn't for our entire history of the US and probably won't until a Constitutional amendment passes, which is very unlikely. |
The reason it is brought up is the gross misuse of the concept of the electoral college.
A. It wasn't meant to be a winner take all, or even bound. Ironically, one of its purposes was to deny a candidate like Trump.
B. Because the number of electors is fixed and there's a minimum, this makes a voter in Wyoming, for example, have three times the vote of a California resident. Coupled with redistricting and voter suppression, it turns a minority into a comfortable majority.
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The electoral college has to deny him the Presidency now. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: |
Soo... thanks Russia for unveiling the corruption in the DNC that led to Donald Trump being elected? |
Dude. I keep checking your iP to see if it matches Donald's... |
Hah!
I know what you mean, but believe me, it feels dirty to defend Donald. My hope is that our party learned something and we come back strong in two years. |
Well, one thing they learned is that you can win the second most votes ever and lose, and people will act like you're a bad candidate. That's Trump's appeal. Even the far left fell for it. |
OR to ignore California as long as we have the electoral college, because you can win by 10 million votes there and still lose an election. Popular vote means nothing as long as that's in place. Strip California from 2016 and HRC took a brutal shellacking.
California is 55 for the DNC and doesn't mean anything on a larger scale as it sits. It accounts for her entire popular vote winning total, and means nothing on a national scale. |
The difference between the popular vote totals for HRC was bigger in California than the national totals....it was something like 4.2 million more votes for her in California, while the difference nationally was something like 2.9 million. She lost all those states Obama carried not to mention lost states that were traditionally blue. |
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| cisternachyli wrote: |
The electoral college has to deny him the Presidency now. |
So you believe the CIA but didn't believe the FBI? Funny how that works. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: |
Soo... thanks Russia for unveiling the corruption in the DNC that led to Donald Trump being elected? |
Dude. I keep checking your iP to see if it matches Donald's... |
Hah!
I know what you mean, but believe me, it feels dirty to defend Donald. My hope is that our party learned something and we come back strong in two years. |
Well, one thing they learned is that you can win the second most votes ever and lose, and people will act like you're a bad candidate. That's Trump's appeal. Even the far left fell for it. |
OR to ignore California as long as we have the electoral college, because you can win by 10 million votes there and still lose an election. Popular vote means nothing as long as that's in place. Strip California from 2016 and HRC took a brutal shellacking.
California is 55 for the DNC and doesn't mean anything on a larger scale as it sits. It accounts for her entire popular vote winning total, and means nothing on a national scale. |
The difference between the popular vote totals for HRC was bigger in California than the national totals....it was something like 4.2 million more votes for her in California, while the difference nationally was something like 2.9 million. She lost all those states Obama carried not to mention lost states that were traditionally blue. |
Yep this is what I'm saying. Ignore California in elections please. As it stands, Democrats get trucked when you ignore California. We need to focus on midwest states. |
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| cisternachyli wrote: |
The electoral college has to deny him the Presidency now. |
So you're in favor of a coup? Interesting. |
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| kikanga wrote: | Automation is inevitable. You can't defeat SkyNet! The American workforce just needs to find ways to be useful to our future robot overlords.
Jokes aside. Maybe a 2 pronged approach would be best.
In the short term have congress pass a magnified version of what Barack was trying to do.
| Quote: | | The Obama administration is pledging nearly $200 million to support apprenticeships, in an effort to boost vocational education, workforce training and job creation. |
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And in the long term. Fund massive grants for individuals who pursue degrees in technology. Incentivize the future workforce to study coding instead of art history.
I was thinking on the college level. But maybe even at the high school level, we could guide kids to careers in technology. Guess you could give bonus funding to schools who teach tech classes and even more if the students score high on testing. |
My guess is that in the future there won't be enough jobs to make up for those that were taken away by automation....we might have to redefine our net worth as humans. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | cisternachyli wrote: |
The electoral college has to deny him the Presidency now. |
So you're in favor of a coup? Interesting. |
It's not a coup per se. The electoral college is the last defense against a madman like Trump. |
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| cisternachyli wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | cisternachyli wrote: |
The electoral college has to deny him the Presidency now. |
So you're in favor of a coup? Interesting. |
It's not a coup per se. The electoral college is the last defense against a madman like Trump. |
So a coup. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | OK, it will speed it up but isn't automation rolling full speed ahead right now? |
I don't think you appreciate the breadth and depth of the coming automation. It isn't just order takers at McDonalds. It's the whole dang store. It's everything from janitors to security guards to delivery truck drivers. Automation will take your order, make your pizza, slice it, box it, and deliver it to your front door. It's not delivery, it's D'Skynet. |
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| Omar Little wrote: | The reason it is brought up is the gross misuse of the concept of the electoral college.
A. It wasn't meant to be a winner take all, or even bound. Ironically, one of its purposes was to deny a candidate like Trump.
B. Because the number of electors is fixed and there's a minimum, this makes a voter in Wyoming, for example, have three times the vote of a California resident. Coupled with redistricting and voter suppression, it turns a minority into a comfortable majority. |
I answered some of this stuff in prior posts:
1. As applied to this particular election, the popular vote argument is misleading. It assumes that HRC would have won a game that neither candidate was playing. If the election was determined by the popular vote, the campaigns would have been very different. What happens if Trump really spends money in California and other dead blue states? I expect that HRC still wins the popular vote, but it isn't automatically true. The real world campaigns focused on the swing states, and Trump won them.
2. A voter in Wyoming does not have three times the vote of a voter in California. That's a opt-repeated fallacy. His or her vote may be part of a smaller pool of voters, but the pool of voters is determining roughly 7% of number of electoral votes. If California and Wyoming were purple states, the campaigns would obsess about California while continuing to ignore Wyoming.
3. Redistricting has nothing to do with this. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: |
So a coup. |
I agree with you, Trump won and that's that
just playing devil's advocate...
Trump won by playing the rule of the game (won less popular vote but more electoral college)
Isn't by law, the actual electoral college representative can vote however he/she wants to, aka they're not bound by the law to vote for the electoral college winner? means it's not a coup but a dirty game |
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| Trump picks Exxon Mobil CEO as Secretary of State. John Bolton as his deputy Secretary of State. Swamp is being drained and refilled with oil. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | OK, it will speed it up but isn't automation rolling full speed ahead right now? |
I don't think you appreciate the breadth and depth of the coming automation. It isn't just order takers at McDonalds. It's the whole dang store. It's everything from janitors to security guards to delivery truck drivers. Automation will take your order, make your pizza, slice it, box it, and deliver it to your front door. It's not delivery, it's D'Skynet. |
I think automation will eventually work its way up the payscale.....first it will take all the entry level jobs but someday you might have construction robots that build infrastructure, build aircraft and even perform medical surgery.....humans might be relegated to be slaves of our future robot overlords. |
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