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wolfpaclaker
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I'm just appauled at the Walton jabs. You would think after watching Brown coach the team horribly on offense, D'Antoni incapable to control any star with a ego despite a good plan, Scott's miserable way of handling the youth (and iso heavy offense) ... you would think people would see the huge improvement in Walton's coaching style.
He makes mistakes? Yes. He also has a very young team that probably doesn't always follow the plan. He has no franchise player. No defensive rim protector. Look at all the good teams in the league. Every single one of them has an engine, a franchise level player carrying them night in and night out. Then, they likely have very good defensive ability, with good rim protection.
The current way to win in the league is to play tight defense at the perimeter close to your man, being able to switch is critical because there is so much screening so you need good speed with your players, and have faith your protection behind you is great enough to combat the drives. Just don't give up good looks at 3's.
Well Lakers don't have that protection. On offense, they simply do not have an constant engine. Sometimes it's Lou, sometimes Russ, sometimes even Randle. No consistent force. I know Luke is making some mistakes on defense, but it is also a very limited roster defensively. I would like us to get a defensive specialist assistant for him next season.
Just think when Luke was coaching the Warriors, he looked flawless. It's also about talent. You have talent, you can implement your plans much easier. The greatest thing about Luke is just his leadership skills. Just watch guys, when push comes to shove, and say we're in the playoffs or in close battles, having a calm cool and smart leader like Luke will be a huge advantage over the many coaches in the league who overreact, overcoach and get their team way too emotional. |
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| Chronoslash wrote: | | How do you explain Houston? They don't do a lot of what you just said, but are 29-9. Guess you don't need tight defense to win. |
They have the future MVP in their team ? |
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justsomelakerfan
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| durden-tyler wrote: | | Chronoslash wrote: | | How do you explain Houston? They don't do a lot of what you just said, but are 29-9. Guess you don't need tight defense to win. |
They have the future MVP in their team ? |
For people who are somehow unhappy with him, Luke would be looking a lot better right now if he had James Harden and Eric Gordon. The starting lineup they run is something you'd only find in D'Antoni's dreams. We're starting Mozgov and Deng. Big difference on both ends of the floor.
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| Chronoslash wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | I'm just appauled at the Walton jabs. You would think after watching Brown coach the team horribly on offense, D'Antoni incapable to control any star with a ego despite a good plan, Scott's miserable way of handling the youth (and iso heavy offense) ... you would think people would see the huge improvement in Walton's coaching style.
He makes mistakes? Yes. He also has a very young team that probably doesn't always follow the plan. He has no franchise player. No defensive rim protector. Look at all the good teams in the league. Every single one of them has an engine, a franchise level player carrying them night in and night out. Then, they likely have very good defensive ability, with good rim protection.
The current way to win in the league is to play tight defense at the perimeter close to your man, being able to switch is critical because there is so much screening so you need good speed with your players, and have faith your protection behind you is great enough to combat the drives. Just don't give up good looks at 3's.
Well Lakers don't have that protection. On offense, they simply do not have an constant engine. Sometimes it's Lou, sometimes Russ, sometimes even Randle. No consistent force. I know Luke is making some mistakes on defense, but it is also a very limited roster defensively. I would like us to get a defensive specialist assistant for him next season.
Just think when Luke was coaching the Warriors, he looked flawless. It's also about talent. You have talent, you can implement your plans much easier. The greatest thing about Luke is just his leadership skills. Just watch guys, when push comes to shove, and say we're in the playoffs or in close battles, having a calm cool and smart leader like Luke will be a huge advantage over the many coaches in the league who overreact, overcoach and get their team way too emotional. |
How do you explain Houston? They don't do a lot of what you just said, but are 29-9. Guess you don't need tight defense to win. |
James Harden?  |
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Fastbreak32
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| Sago wrote: | | Chronoslash wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | I'm just appauled at the Walton jabs. You would think after watching Brown coach the team horribly on offense, D'Antoni incapable to control any star with a ego despite a good plan, Scott's miserable way of handling the youth (and iso heavy offense) ... you would think people would see the huge improvement in Walton's coaching style.
He makes mistakes? Yes. He also has a very young team that probably doesn't always follow the plan. He has no franchise player. No defensive rim protector. Look at all the good teams in the league. Every single one of them has an engine, a franchise level player carrying them night in and night out. Then, they likely have very good defensive ability, with good rim protection.
The current way to win in the league is to play tight defense at the perimeter close to your man, being able to switch is critical because there is so much screening so you need good speed with your players, and have faith your protection behind you is great enough to combat the drives. Just don't give up good looks at 3's.
Well Lakers don't have that protection. On offense, they simply do not have an constant engine. Sometimes it's Lou, sometimes Russ, sometimes even Randle. No consistent force. I know Luke is making some mistakes on defense, but it is also a very limited roster defensively. I would like us to get a defensive specialist assistant for him next season.
Just think when Luke was coaching the Warriors, he looked flawless. It's also about talent. You have talent, you can implement your plans much easier. The greatest thing about Luke is just his leadership skills. Just watch guys, when push comes to shove, and say we're in the playoffs or in close battles, having a calm cool and smart leader like Luke will be a huge advantage over the many coaches in the league who overreact, overcoach and get their team way too emotional. |
How do you explain Houston? They don't do a lot of what you just said, but are 29-9. Guess you don't need tight defense to win. |
James Harden? |
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It has been a rough stretch but 14-26 feels like progress compared to last season.
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| Speaking of harden, I've never been a fan but holy cow the way he's been playing this season made me a believer that you can win a title with him as your best player. |
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | It has been a rough stretch but 14-26 feels like progress compared to last season. |
we don't get blown out game after game like we used to |
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| DangeRuss wrote: | | Speaking of harden, I've never been a fan but holy cow the way he's been playing this season made me a believer that you can win a title with him as your best player. |
He has become my favorite non-Laker. I hope he gets the MVP.
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| time to bump my brainchild |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | |
Assuming your theory holds and it is Magic sending down executive orders, Pelinka's press conference seemed to assert that Luke is their equal partner, that they make decisions as a trio and that lineup decisions are solely on Luke. That means either the presented power dynamic is bs or Luke relented/agreed to this. |
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| He's going to resign in 2 yrs if this meddling continues. |
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justsomelakerfan
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| levon wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | |
Assuming your theory holds and it is Magic sending down executive orders, Pelinka's press conference seemed to assert that Luke is their equal partner, that they make decisions as a trio and that lineup decisions are solely on Luke. That means either the presented power dynamic is bs or Luke relented/agreed to this. |
I'm just taking a shot in the dark here and how I think it would play out:
I don't think it was forced on him... Like, Magic suggested it, and Luke's mindset genuinely went to, "well, they want to see it, we're partners, so I'll honor it and let's give it a shot," because Luke has always stressed since being hired that he embraces collaboration.
But then, also, imagine having a new boss, or you're a new employee, and your boss starts making suggestions for you to change your work performance... you want to please your new boss, right?
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | levon wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | |
Assuming your theory holds and it is Magic sending down executive orders, Pelinka's press conference seemed to assert that Luke is their equal partner, that they make decisions as a trio and that lineup decisions are solely on Luke. That means either the presented power dynamic is bs or Luke relented/agreed to this. |
I'm just taking a shot in the dark here and how I think it would play out:
I don't think it was forced on him... Like, Magic suggested it, and Luke's mindset genuinely went to, "well, they want to see it, we're partners, so I'll honor it and let's give it a shot," because Luke has always stressed since being hired that he embraces collaboration.
But then, also, imagine having a new boss, or you're a new employee, and your boss starts making suggestions for you to change your work performance... you want to please your new boss, right? |
That's the thing. They gave off the impression that Luke was a partner, not a subordinate. Maybe I just read it that way |
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justsomelakerfan
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| levon wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | levon wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | |
Assuming your theory holds and it is Magic sending down executive orders, Pelinka's press conference seemed to assert that Luke is their equal partner, that they make decisions as a trio and that lineup decisions are solely on Luke. That means either the presented power dynamic is bs or Luke relented/agreed to this. |
I'm just taking a shot in the dark here and how I think it would play out:
I don't think it was forced on him... Like, Magic suggested it, and Luke's mindset genuinely went to, "well, they want to see it, we're partners, so I'll honor it and let's give it a shot," because Luke has always stressed since being hired that he embraces collaboration.
But then, also, imagine having a new boss, or you're a new employee, and your boss starts making suggestions for you to change your work performance... you want to please your new boss, right? |
That's the thing. They gave off the impression that Luke was a partner, not a subordinate. Maybe I just read it that way |
This all gets messy, you know? They're partners, and I don't think Pelinka was BSing there... but they're also his boss, too, and there was just a huge shakeup in the front office, and they never hired him... do you seriously feel comfortable in turning down suggestions right now? They're evaluating everyone right now.
Luke could also be a serious idiot. It's just conjecture, but when you add it up...
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| Conspiracy theories running wild but if you look at this entire season Luke has been bad with rotations/lineups. He's also given Dlo tough love all season |
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justsomelakerfan
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| Deathstroke wrote: | | Conspiracy theories running wild but if you look at this entire season Luke has been bad with rotations/lineups. He's also given Dlo tough love all season |
Agreed. But one of the inconsistencies is how he's treated Clarkson. And even what he said to him literally yesterday - he appreciated him for coming off the bench behind Nwaba and continuing to do so.
Then, JC has a big game.
Then he starts.
Again, it's just guessing.
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| levon wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | levon wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | |
Assuming your theory holds and it is Magic sending down executive orders, Pelinka's press conference seemed to assert that Luke is their equal partner, that they make decisions as a trio and that lineup decisions are solely on Luke. That means either the presented power dynamic is bs or Luke relented/agreed to this. |
I'm just taking a shot in the dark here and how I think it would play out:
I don't think it was forced on him... Like, Magic suggested it, and Luke's mindset genuinely went to, "well, they want to see it, we're partners, so I'll honor it and let's give it a shot," because Luke has always stressed since being hired that he embraces collaboration.
But then, also, imagine having a new boss, or you're a new employee, and your boss starts making suggestions for you to change your work performance... you want to please your new boss, right? |
That's the thing. They gave off the impression that Luke was a partner, not a subordinate. Maybe I just read it that way |
That's something bosses say to indicate a collaborative atmosphere. Push comes to shove and magic's only partner is Jeanie. Of course, push comes to shove and the only partner Jeanie has is herself.
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| Laker Junkie wrote: | | He's going to resign in 2 yrs if this meddling continues. |
This is what i'm afraid of. |
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| Laker Junkie wrote: | | He's going to resign in 2 yrs if this meddling continues. |
Yes I think the same. If they don't bring him at least two really good players this summer somewhere next season he is gone because without any good veteran players we will tank again and I am sure that he is not for that (bleep) at all. They have to perform this offseason heavily. |
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I think his playing with rotations should be seen as him using these remaining games as a sort of early preseason.
We conceded this season a long time ago and the last couple months has just been about development. With only 15 or so games left I think Luke is probably going to continue to switch up the rotations to try and find different combinations of players that might work well together. Byron did something similar at the end of last year if memory serves.
The added side benefit is that it increases the likelihood of us losing every game, thus benefiting the tank. What, you think Luke wouldn't want Lonzo on the lakers next year?!
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So when Jim/Mitch were around and we stunk, Russell was being benched and all that, it was just by Byron's ineptness. Nevermind before that, D'Antoni was coach and we also had horrible games.
This is a tanking culture Jeannie/Magic/Pelinka inherited. Come on. You don't lose this in one month. The cultire we've had has been present for a while.
If Magic is not nipping it in the bud in one month, that's normal. If they are ok with losses piling up so they have a great draft pick in June, that's just par for the course.
You can't put THIS season on Magic. Come on, that's nonsense. I doubt him as much as the next guy, I do not know if he will succeed, but no way is THIS season or the tanking mentality of our team becuase of him.
I mean Bryan Colangelo is in Philly now. for over a year, Guess what? They've still got the tanking mentality a little. Even though they're better, the tank remains strong. That's the impact of years upon years of doing the tank. The Lakers are almost in the same boat. To get out of this tank mentality requires major work and young players improving alot. It will not happen within 2-3 months.
Give it a year, and lets see where they are next January, March etc. |
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| no one's complaining about the loss. it's the fact that the move is counter to the development movement we should be moving toward. we want to build chemistry and the confidence of our future pieces, not jerk them around and confuse the hell out of them both on and off the court |
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I think it's pretty obvious.
1) We're tanking
2) The FO wants to assess the young guys, it's basically try outs
We have a lot of young pieces, but not one future cornerstone player....so they're all assets right now. |
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