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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:11 am Post subject:
paolomagma wrote:
It was a very poor drafting choice by the Cavs in the first place.
2011 1st - Kyrie Irving - good pick
2011 4th - Tristan Thompson - good pick
2012 4th - Dion Waiters - REACH. They were probably looking to draft Beal. They should've drafted a big or a SF instead as they were in need of a big man and wings at the time. At the draft I thought they could've used T.Robinson or A.Drummond.
2013 1st - Anthony Benneth - Just a bad pick. I think the Cavs regretted it almost instantly. They should've drafted Oladipo but they didn't because they already had Waiters.
2014 1st - Wiggins - Almost picked Embiid. I wish they had because Dan Gilbert is a (bleep)
The Cavs have been so "lucky" to have gotten multiple high picks. Imagine if they got every pick right and never got Lebron back.
Joined: 24 Dec 2007 Posts: 35750 Location: Santa Clarita, CA (Hell) ->>>>>Ithaca, NY -≥≥≥≥≥Berkeley, CA
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:29 am Post subject:
Where does Irving actually rank in the 2011 draft, which also had Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, and Klay Thompson? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
It was a very poor drafting choice by the Cavs in the first place.
2011 1st - Kyrie Irving - good pick
2011 4th - Tristan Thompson - good pick
2012 4th - Dion Waiters - REACH. They were probably looking to draft Beal. They should've drafted a big or a SF instead as they were in need of a big man and wings at the time. At the draft I thought they could've used T.Robinson or A.Drummond.
2013 1st - Anthony Benneth - Just a bad pick. I think the Cavs regretted it almost instantly. They should've drafted Oladipo but they didn't because they already had Waiters.
2014 1st - Wiggins - Almost picked Embiid. I wish they had because Dan Gilbert is a (bleep)
The Cavs have been so "lucky" to have gotten multiple high picks. Imagine if they got every pick right and never got Lebron back.
It was a very poor drafting choice by the Cavs in the first place.
2011 1st - Kyrie Irving - good pick
2011 4th - Tristan Thompson - good pick
2012 4th - Dion Waiters - REACH. They were probably looking to draft Beal. They should've drafted a big or a SF instead as they were in need of a big man and wings at the time. At the draft I thought they could've used T.Robinson or A.Drummond.
2013 1st - Anthony Benneth - Just a bad pick. I think the Cavs regretted it almost instantly. They should've drafted Oladipo but they didn't because they already had Waiters.
2014 1st - Wiggins - Almost picked Embiid. I wish they had because Dan Gilbert is a (bleep)
The Cavs have been so "lucky" to have gotten multiple high picks. Imagine if they got every pick right and never got Lebron back.
Drummond
Thompson
Wiggins
Oladipo
Irving
Ah. The team that Byron "built".
My instinct to his post was that there's no way the Cavs draft well and still end up with that many lottery picks.
It was a very poor drafting choice by the Cavs in the first place.
2011 1st - Kyrie Irving - good pick
2011 4th - Tristan Thompson - good pick
2012 4th - Dion Waiters - REACH. They were probably looking to draft Beal. They should've drafted a big or a SF instead as they were in need of a big man and wings at the time. At the draft I thought they could've used T.Robinson or A.Drummond.
2013 1st - Anthony Benneth - Just a bad pick. I think the Cavs regretted it almost instantly. They should've drafted Oladipo but they didn't because they already had Waiters.
2014 1st - Wiggins - Almost picked Embiid. I wish they had because Dan Gilbert is a (bleep)
The Cavs have been so "lucky" to have gotten multiple high picks. Imagine if they got every pick right and never got Lebron back.
Drummond
Thompson
Wiggins
Oladipo
Irving
I remember at the time being shocked that Drummond fell so low in that draft. He had lowish numbers in college but the raw physical potential...
With someone like Kwame, at least you can see the potential and understand the rationale.
3pt range. Ran the floor. Swatted. Rebounded. Transition play.
I really hate UNLV AND University of Nevada's basketball programs. I mean, you want to talk about ruining players, this has been going on for years now.
So basically if he was drafted where he should have been and was contributing like Larry Nance Jr is for us now he'd be just fine?
what the pros say about stuff like this...
making a draft choice is a lot more complicated than what the fans see, which is performance. A draftee once explained to me all the things going on like marketability foremost. it was almost like talent and performance are way low on the list compared to the other stuff.
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:00 pm Post subject:
Bennett was just such a weird #1 pick. What was his appeal? He was always projected by scouts to go in the 8-10 range.
With someone like Kwame Brown or Greg Oden, at least the rationale was understandable. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
He was a top 10 prospect, and the 1st overall probably didn't have much trade value that year, so they just took who they liked. I'm thinking they wanted someone who could be an offensive pairing with Irving, because they had practically nill offensive talent outside of him.
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:17 pm Post subject:
MJST wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
What did the Cavs see in Bennett? I don't get it.
With someone like Kwame, at least you can see the potential and understand the rationale.
3pt range. Ran the floor. Swatted. Rebounded. Transition play.
I really hate UNLV AND University of Nevada's basketball programs. I mean, you want to talk about ruining players, this has been going on for years now.
So basically if he was drafted where he should have been and was contributing like Larry Nance Jr is for us now he'd be just fine?
There was one year (2-3 years ago) where Nevada basically just ran 1-5 Iso sets, and their PG, talented, entered the draft and literally could not run an NBA set.
Mike Moser
Daequan Cook
Khem Birth
Anthony Bennett
If you want to argue, Katin Reinhardt
Roscoe Smith (remember him? Didn't learn guard skills)
Christian Wood (Uber length, athletic, basic ball-handling, 3pt range, wildly inconsistent, would have been lottery if he got his skills organized)
Rashad Vaughn (Drafted by Bucks, had a few hot games as a rookie, basically disappeared since)
Now it's Stephen Zimmerman Jr. (some unicorn skills, can run floor), projected 1st rounder, went mid 2nd round, now NBDL.
3 coaching changes in the past 3 years I think. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Bennett was just such a weird #1 pick. What was his appeal? He was always projected by scouts to go in the 8-10 range.
With someone like Kwame Brown or Greg Oden, at least the rationale was understandable.
Those who watched him, knew he had unicorn skills in an Elton Brand body, and could run the floor.
Can't tell me that's not valuable.
If I told you there's a PF that had this stat line..
2pt% 58.5%
3pt% 37.5% on 3 attempts per game
16ppg
8rpg
1apg
0.7stlpg
1.2bpg
27 minutes a play
19 years old..
You'd think that guy was a lottery player. Especially with those shooting percentages.
24% Win Shares per 40 is ridiculous.
At the same time, lots of people said he had great potential to be a bust if drafted in the top 5. His ball-dominant style of play and terrible defense had lots of people wary even as they praised his athletic ability.
Basically, it was a terrible draft class with no really good choice. If it had been a standard class and he had gone 3rd, 4th or lower no one would think twice about him.
Pretty amazing that the Cavs wasted a #1 pick on him. Imagine if the just went with Oladipo instead, and kept Wiggins:
Kyrie
Oladipo
Wiggins
Lebron
Thompson
In these what coulda been scenarios, it seems like there always ONE thing that screwed up Nirvana (or at least our own impressions of what Nirvana was). EG: I cringe when I am reminded of getting Mike McGee one pick ahead of Larry Nance SENIOR. One pick. Imagine the Nirvana of having a 6'10/11 F of that quality. That's one of the things we always lacked next to the back-up point to spell Earv. Showtime won 5 titles as it was. Picking Nance Sr would've been like getting Mychal T 6 yrs earlier. I doubt we lose in 84 if nothin else. We wouldn't have been slayed by Houston's towers in 86, at least not to the extent we were.
West reportedly wanted him but no! Westend wanted McGee bad!
Pretty amazing that the Cavs wasted a #1 pick on him. Imagine if the just went with Oladipo instead, and kept Wiggins:
Kyrie
Oladipo
Wiggins
Lebron
Thompson
In these what coulda been scenarios, it seems like there always ONE thing that screwed up Nirvana (or at least our own impressions of what Nirvana was). EG: I cringe when I am reminded of getting Mike McGee one pick ahead of Larry Nance SENIOR. One pick. Imagine the Nirvana of having a 6'10/11 F of that quality. That's one of the things we always lacked next to the back-up point to spell Earv. Showtime won 5 titles as it was. Picking Nance Sr would've been like getting Mychal T 6 yrs earlier. I doubt we lose in 84 if nothin else. We wouldn't have been slayed by Houston's towers in 86, at least not to the extent we were.
West reportedly wanted him but no! Westend wanted McGee bad!
man i dont remember that series. other than the series winner, how badly were the lakers losing?
btw the anthony bennet story is super weird. he's a very very good player. like, even right now, he's an awesome baller. there must be a sever mental issue, or there is some stuff behind the scenes that is not public. whatever is happening with him, it doesn't seem to be because he's not capable of playing well right now.
it might not even be a negative thing. he may just be looking for his spot on a team.
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