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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:15 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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Not just the Bulls, but it could be Hoiberg that wants Butler gone....

Which is a huge difference. Some coaches have a set vision on what they want and some players just dont match that vision ala Luke Walton and Westbrook.


Would you rather cut Hoiberg or trade a top 15 player?

Most teams elect to keep the latter.


Depends how much I value the coach. Like if I had Luke Walton vs Westbrook, I keep Walton over westbrook without any question. Also, Hoiberg's offense has never looked anything similar to the vision he gave Chicago because of the roster.

Roster/personnel are key to success like Mike D's offense. Need the right guys to make it work. Butler could be an outlier from what Hoiberg wants...


Hoiberg is a really underwhelming coach. I wouldn't put him in any rarified status.

You easily keep Butler over Hoiberg. Chicago FO screwed up with the Hoiberg hiring, then signing FAs that absolutely do not work with Hoiberg (Wade + Rondo). Butler isn't the problem.


Or you can rebuild from the bottom up, rather than be a treadmill team for all of his career.

If we get our pick, I bet Bulls will bite with the option for Hoiberg to start the team brand new with either Ball, Fultz or DSJ.


So the FO brought in all the wrong types of players for Hoiberg (Wade/Rondo) but they will trade their unquestionably best player to NOW all of a sudden build a Hoiberg centric team?

Um no.


Yeap. The front office is essentially realizing they F up with signing Wade and Rondo. Even with all 3, they are 8th place in the eastern conference.
Also, it's always easier for a young coach to teach young players and for them to commit to their vision.

Bulls have no chance of anything in the eastern conference with Butler and company. However, they start fresh with draft picks and rebuild, they can actually be relevant when Lebron gets old...

First round pick this season + Kings first round pick (top 10 protected)
Another lottery pick in 2018
+ Wiggins or Lavine and WOlves lottery pick, etc.

Bulls would have a better future than
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:59 am    Post subject:

1 - I doubt Bulls are shopping Butler. If they are breaking the team up, it makes more sense to try to move Rondo, Wade, etc., first. Rebuilding while holding on to the contracts of 35 year olds takes forever - ask the Lakers.

2 - Lakers don't move DLO or Ingram if they are keeping Luke as HC. You move 'tweeners like Randle & Clarkson - but only for pieces that absolutely fit. In the Lakers' position, you get rid of what isn't part of your system and only add what fits.

3 - don't go crazy for pieces that aren't exactly what we want. Average teams pick up pieces that they can in hopes of incremental change, but the formula for NBA success is pretty basic. Get one of the top-5 players in the league (or two of the top 10) and build around them. If you don't get one in the draft, trade/sign one, but don't add contracts/pieces that won't help you get that top 5 player.

Butler is a good player - but not top-5 - and I don't think he fits what Luke is trying to do.

I'm still hopeful about DLO and Ingram - I think both of them can be top-10 players.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:37 pm    Post subject:

Clarkson and Nance I'd be willing to trade. Can't imagine anymore than that unless it's trash/fillers.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:57 pm    Post subject:

How old is Jimmy Butler? (edit: Just looked it up, 27 years old)

He is an interesting player, I would like to have him on the team if we could somehow get him.

I like his ability to defend and make the tough plays. He would be a nice upgrade defensively.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:48 pm    Post subject:

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How old is Jimmy Butler? (edit: Just looked it up, 27 years old)

He is an interesting player, I would like to have him on the team if we could somehow get him.

I like his ability to defend and make the tough plays. He would be a nice upgrade defensively.


but if he was the vet and face of the franchise....he would be selecting the music for shoot arounds....and everyone knows Jimmy loves his Country Music...not sure Rascal Flatts would work to get DLo and JC in a rhythm.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:45 am    Post subject:

You'd want to add Butler to our young core, not use him as a replacement. I don't see how either team would be willing to make that deal.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:04 am    Post subject:

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You'd want to add Butler to our young core, not use him as a replacement. I don't see how either team would be willing to make that deal.



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:22 pm    Post subject:

I like butler but I'm not trading any of Russell, Ingram or Randle. Anyway lakers have been reportedly saying no on the trio. So I don't think this is even a possibility.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:51 pm    Post subject:

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I like butler but I'm not trading any of Russell, Ingram or Randle. Anyway lakers have been reportedly saying no on the trio. So I don't think this is even a possibility.


Was this reported somewhere?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:25 pm    Post subject:

https://twitter.com/seandeveney/status/819270553978576897

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-lakers-future-deadline-julius-randle-dangelo-russell-brandon-ingram/yza0de95msjw1hnwoaw2p4mc2
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:01 pm    Post subject:

I'm more than happy with the young core!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:08 pm    Post subject:

Okc made the playoffs in DUrant's 3rd year, westbrook's 2nd year, and ibaka/harden's rookie year.

Warriors made the playoffs in Klay's second year, Green's rookie year, and CUrry's fourth year.

(In a more difficult western conference)

Patience is one thing, but in a conference like the west, where most of the up and coming teams are young, it's going to be hard to make the playoffs with the same core guys unless the FO takes some risks.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:00 pm    Post subject:

We still need that go to guy down the stretch. Dlo so far has the personality but not sure if he's shown the ability *so far* to be that closer. He's also our pg and his role typically consists of setting others up, not necessarily being the closer. Ingram has the ability, not sure about the personality to be the closer/goto guy. Butler can be that guy. I wouldn't trade any of our core, jules dlo or ingram, but anyone else without a doubt I would.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:07 pm    Post subject:

Dr. Funkbot wrote:
https://twitter.com/seandeveney/status/819270553978576897

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-lakers-future-deadline-julius-randle-dangelo-russell-brandon-ingram/yza0de95msjw1hnwoaw2p4mc2


Love to read that.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:55 pm    Post subject:

zePokar wrote:
Dr. Funkbot wrote:
https://twitter.com/seandeveney/status/819270553978576897

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-lakers-future-deadline-julius-randle-dangelo-russell-brandon-ingram/yza0de95msjw1hnwoaw2p4mc2


Love to read that.

that picture...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:58 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
How old is Jimmy Butler? (edit: Just looked it up, 27 years old)

He is an interesting player, I would like to have him on the team if we could somehow get him.

I like his ability to defend and make the tough plays. He would be a nice upgrade defensively.


but if he was the vet and face of the franchise....he would be selecting the music for shoot arounds....and everyone knows Jimmy loves his Country Music...not sure Rascal Flatts would work to get DLo and JC in a rhythm.

i think ive heard this...i thought it was an inside joke. it's true?
lol

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it is true lol. im only surprised because im racist i guess.

i always thought it was funny (for those who are not old enough)...the lakers radio network klac was a country music station, lol! it was like chick n stu during games, but tanya tucker and eddie rabbit during normal hours.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:38 am    Post subject:

yes lets gut the entire roster of all our young drafted players for a "very good" player who isn't even an mvp candidate & probably never will be one.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:10 am    Post subject:

trading everything we just started building for one player? Doesn't sound right to me. Butler seems to be an above average player but I have a not so good feeling about him and team chemistry.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:26 am    Post subject:

zePokar wrote:
Dr. Funkbot wrote:
https://twitter.com/seandeveney/status/819270553978576897

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-lakers-future-deadline-julius-randle-dangelo-russell-brandon-ingram/yza0de95msjw1hnwoaw2p4mc2


Love to read that.


Me too!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:43 pm    Post subject:

iimarshon wrote:
Russell
Clarkson
Nance
Zubac

For Jimmy Butler


Best idea so far. That would instantly make the team better.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:47 pm    Post subject:

youcantguardme wrote:
iimarshon wrote:
Russell
Clarkson
Nance
Zubac

For Jimmy Butler


Best idea so far. That would instantly make the team better.


So you want Lou Williams to be the team's PG?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:49 pm    Post subject:

Nothing will make you appreciate Mitch Kupchak more than seeing some the "brilliant" trade ideas that people on LG come up with.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:51 pm    Post subject:

I seriously think that article by SD was to set up for a potential Butler or Cousins trade, you need a voice to tell the NBA how good the Lakers core is and that helps in trade negotiations.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:52 pm    Post subject:

SuperboyReformed wrote:
adkindo wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
How old is Jimmy Butler? (edit: Just looked it up, 27 years old)

He is an interesting player, I would like to have him on the team if we could somehow get him.

I like his ability to defend and make the tough plays. He would be a nice upgrade defensively.


but if he was the vet and face of the franchise....he would be selecting the music for shoot arounds....and everyone knows Jimmy loves his Country Music...not sure Rascal Flatts would work to get DLo and JC in a rhythm.

i think ive heard this...i thought it was an inside joke. it's true?
lol

[edit]
it is true lol. im only surprised because im racist i guess.

i always thought it was funny (for those who are not old enough)...the lakers radio network klac was a country music station, lol! it was like chick n stu during games, but tanya tucker and eddie rabbit during normal hours.


yeah, Jimmy still wears cowboy boots sometimes....think he wore them often when he first got in league. He is from Houston...maybe he was just not a fan of Paul Wall, Lil' Troy DJ Screw, and "purple drank"
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:53 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
youcantguardme wrote:
iimarshon wrote:
Russell
Clarkson
Nance
Zubac

For Jimmy Butler


Best idea so far. That would instantly make the team better.


So you want Lou Williams to be the team's PG?


Maybe after getting Butler.. we swing a trade for Brandon Knight ?
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