|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Mike@LG
Moderator
Joined: 10 Apr 2001
Posts: 65135
Location: Orange County, CA
|
 Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
wait, we agree, right? In general, i think we both think Ingram should continue being developed as a SF. |
Yes, we agree.
_________________
Resident Car Nut.
https://lakersdraft.substack.com/
I am not an economic advisor nor do I advise economic strategies or plans. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Vesper
Starting Rotation
Joined: 10 Dec 2016
Posts: 387
|
| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Ingram will be our stretch 4. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Fracture
Star Player
Joined: 01 Feb 2005
Posts: 9318
Location: Planet Terror
|
| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Defense is so pathetic that we'll still end up with a top 3 pick. Tank or no tank. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
nash
Star Player
Joined: 23 Oct 2001
Posts: 8194
|
| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:23 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Mike@LG wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | governator wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: |
I'm ok with looking for trade partners for Lou or Swaggy, with the caveat that we then go with something like DLO/JC/Ingram/Randle/Moz (ceremonial starter, but give Zub more minutes) for the rest of the year. |
What is Swaggy indicated he will opt in....would you still look to move him? |
easy, keep him, run him with the bench unit and slide Ingram with the starter unit |
playing the kid out of position  If watching Tobias Harris, a big SF, take him off the dribble at will last game is not enough to end the discussion of Ingram playing the #2, I guess nothing will... |
Disagree. Ingram has everything you need to thrive as a 2. He actually fits better as a 2 than dangelo does imo. |
Disagree. Ingram defending 2's takes away quickness advantages defensively and may be even harsher on his body. |
I have the same feeling and I'm going even further because I think if he bulks up he may end up playing the PF spot for long stretches. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
adkindo
Retired Number
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 40345
Location: Dirty South
|
| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| DangeRuss wrote: |
I know dlo doesn't play the 2, thank god, a lot of people have been begging for him to switch there.. Its based on watching Ingram play. I prefer him as a sf, but he can easily play sg if Luke wanted. Plus 2 & 3 are the most interchangeable positions in basketball. Not sure how someone can say he can play one and not the other. |
This is simply not true, it depends on the player, opponent and scheme. There are many combo players that can switch between 1 & 2, 4 & 5, 3 & 4, and yes the 2 & 3. At the same time, there are many 2's that are unable to perform @ the 3 and vice versa. Clarkson could not play the 3 any amount of significant minutes and defend NBA SF's. Ingram is more naturally fit to play the 3, and once he grows into his frame, probably the 4. If he can become strong enough, there are reasons he could develop into an elite 4 by the time he nears his prime. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TheBlackMamba
Star Player
Joined: 23 Apr 2007
Posts: 9057
|
| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I think if we fall behind the 8th spot any more than we are right now over the next 10 or so games, I would be a strong proponent of reducing the minutes of Moz, Deng, Swagy, and Lou and playing the young guys as much as possible, preferably starting Zubac/Randle/Ingram/Clarkson/Russell.
Is that the same as tanking? It's sort of giving up on the playoffs, that's for sure, but I don't think it's tanking in the conventional manner. The sole purpose would be to see the kids develop (hopefully), and I'd still want them to try to win games. Actually, that would awesome if we could win games with them playing big minutes. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
DangeRuss
Star Player
Joined: 10 Feb 2016
Posts: 1418
|
| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| adkindo wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: |
I know dlo doesn't play the 2, thank god, a lot of people have been begging for him to switch there.. Its based on watching Ingram play. I prefer him as a sf, but he can easily play sg if Luke wanted. Plus 2 & 3 are the most interchangeable positions in basketball. Not sure how someone can say he can play one and not the other. |
This is simply not true, it depends on the player, opponent and scheme. There are many combo players that can switch between 1 & 2, 4 & 5, 3 & 4, and yes the 2 & 3. At the same time, there are many 2's that are unable to perform @ the 3 and vice versa. Clarkson could not play the 3 any amount of significant minutes and defend NBA SF's. Ingram is more naturally fit to play the 3, and once he grows into his frame, probably the 4. If he can become strong enough, there are reasons he could develop into an elite 4 by the time he nears his prime. |
Clarkson isn't a real 2 imo.
Ingram should never be a pf more than in spurts. He's got far more potential as a 2 than a 4. His natural position is the 3, but could easily play the 2. He would force teams to matchup with him vs the other way around. I hate the idea of playing him at the 4 because it negates most of his advantages he has vs other players at he 2 and 3. He's a wing through and through. Not a big. And in my opinion, true 2s and 3s are the most interchangeable position in basketball.
Which group of players would Ingram have better time defending?
Group A: Milsap, Blake griffin, Anthony Davis, lamarcus aldridge, draymond, porzingis.
Group B: klay Thompson, jimmy butler, demar derozan, jj redick, kris Middleton, jr smith. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Vesper
Starting Rotation
Joined: 10 Dec 2016
Posts: 387
|
| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Tank continues! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
nash
Star Player
Joined: 23 Oct 2001
Posts: 8194
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:08 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Vesper wrote: | | Tank continues! |
Stop this, we are not tanking or Luke would have come with Russell back in the 4th. We are just a bad team, but unless last season most of our games aren't blow outs. I told it before this season that just losing by a small margin without a great record would be an improvement.
I believe we are going to see a couple of parts been moved before the deadline. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
justsomelakerfan
Franchise Player
Joined: 16 Jul 2016
Posts: 10939
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:11 am Post subject: |
|
|
| nash wrote: | | Vesper wrote: | | Tank continues! |
Stop this, we are not tanking or Luke would have come with Russell back in the 4th. We are just a bad team, but unless last season most of our games aren't blow outs. I told it before this season that just losing by a small margin without a great record would be an improvement.
I believe we are going to see a couple of parts been moved before the deadline. |
Role players or core? I'm skeptical Mitch makes a move, but who knows.
_________________
Austin Reaves
Tweeter: @sarah_dotbiz |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lucky_Shot
Star Player
Joined: 10 Jan 2016
Posts: 5160
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
| DangeRuss wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: |
I know dlo doesn't play the 2, thank god, a lot of people have been begging for him to switch there.. Its based on watching Ingram play. I prefer him as a sf, but he can easily play sg if Luke wanted. Plus 2 & 3 are the most interchangeable positions in basketball. Not sure how someone can say he can play one and not the other. |
This is simply not true, it depends on the player, opponent and scheme. There are many combo players that can switch between 1 & 2, 4 & 5, 3 & 4, and yes the 2 & 3. At the same time, there are many 2's that are unable to perform @ the 3 and vice versa. Clarkson could not play the 3 any amount of significant minutes and defend NBA SF's. Ingram is more naturally fit to play the 3, and once he grows into his frame, probably the 4. If he can become strong enough, there are reasons he could develop into an elite 4 by the time he nears his prime. |
Clarkson isn't a real 2 imo.
Ingram should never be a pf more than in spurts. He's got far more potential as a 2 than a 4. His natural position is the 3, but could easily play the 2. He would force teams to matchup with him vs the other way around. I hate the idea of playing him at the 4 because it negates most of his advantages he has vs other players at he 2 and 3. He's a wing through and through. Not a big. And in my opinion, true 2s and 3s are the most interchangeable position in basketball.
Which group of players would Ingram have better time defending?
Group A: Milsap, Blake griffin, Anthony Davis, lamarcus aldridge, draymond, porzingis.
Group B: klay Thompson, jimmy butler, demar derozan, jj redick, kris Middleton, jr smith. |
I would never have him at the 2. Most minutes at the 3 with short spurs at the 4. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
RI Laker
Star Player
Joined: 27 Jun 2005
Posts: 7158
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:12 am Post subject: |
|
|
| nash wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | governator wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: |
I'm ok with looking for trade partners for Lou or Swaggy, with the caveat that we then go with something like DLO/JC/Ingram/Randle/Moz (ceremonial starter, but give Zub more minutes) for the rest of the year. |
What is Swaggy indicated he will opt in....would you still look to move him? |
easy, keep him, run him with the bench unit and slide Ingram with the starter unit |
playing the kid out of position If watching Tobias Harris, a big SF, take him off the dribble at will last game is not enough to end the discussion of Ingram playing the #2, I guess nothing will... |
Disagree. Ingram has everything you need to thrive as a 2. He actually fits better as a 2 than dangelo does imo. |
Disagree. Ingram defending 2's takes away quickness advantages defensively and may be even harsher on his body. |
I have the same feeling and I'm going even further because I think if he bulks up he may end up playing the PF spot for long stretches. |
Yinoma, spot on about who our starters should be/who should get the minutes. I would just add Larry to the mix when he gets back.
BI will be able to play four positions on both sides of the court before its all said and done. Why pigeon hole into a certain position. We should exploit his versatility, especially when he matures as a player. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:31 am Post subject: |
|
|
| RI Laker wrote: | | nash wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | governator wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: |
I'm ok with looking for trade partners for Lou or Swaggy, with the caveat that we then go with something like DLO/JC/Ingram/Randle/Moz (ceremonial starter, but give Zub more minutes) for the rest of the year. |
What is Swaggy indicated he will opt in....would you still look to move him? |
easy, keep him, run him with the bench unit and slide Ingram with the starter unit |
playing the kid out of position If watching Tobias Harris, a big SF, take him off the dribble at will last game is not enough to end the discussion of Ingram playing the #2, I guess nothing will... |
Disagree. Ingram has everything you need to thrive as a 2. He actually fits better as a 2 than dangelo does imo. |
Disagree. Ingram defending 2's takes away quickness advantages defensively and may be even harsher on his body. |
I have the same feeling and I'm going even further because I think if he bulks up he may end up playing the PF spot for long stretches. |
Yinoma, spot on about who our starters should be/who should get the minutes. I would just add Larry to the mix when he gets back.
BI will be able to play four positions on both sides of the court before its all said and done. Why pigeon hole into a certain position. We should exploit his versatility, especially when he matures as a player. |
Yeah. Deng came here probably understanding he would be a bench player eventually once Ingram stepped up. Moz, I'd give him the ceremonial Bogut start (i.e. 18 mpg) and let Zub/Nance absorb the rest.
Honestly, as much as I love Tarik, I'd see what he and Lou can fetch as both would tremendously help a team in the playoffs or in the playoffs race.
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
