We need to trade Lou. He has been productive and I appreciate that he's contributed to our wins along with being a great teammate, but it seems like his bad habits are rubbing off on JC. When these two come in with the second unit it's just iso after iso, and I've seen numerous times this season when JC decides to go 1 on 4 and refuses to pass the ball, leading to stupid turnovers. I don't recall this happening as often during his rookie year, so to me, his decision making has regressed. Not going to put all the blame on Lou, because that is his playing style and what makes him successful in the league. But psychologically, when you're sharing the backcourt with somebody playing that style of basketball, especially as a young player, I think it tends to rub off which is why JC has been such a ball stopper lately, he's trying to "get mine" like his fellow backcourt mate. Add on to the fact that Luke doesn't seem to hold him accountable (I still remember a game earlier this year where JC's turnovers and chucking single handily led to like a 10 point swing and almost cost us the game, Luke just kept him in there) like he does with D'Lo, I think JC's development is being hindered.
Anyways, if we can get a first round pick for Lou I'd make the deal in a heartbeat. You can't tell me a team contending in the playoffs wouldn't mind giving up a lower first round pick for a scorer off the bench with a very cap friendly contract. He'd be perfect for a team looking to take the next step, I just don't think his style of play fits in well for us at this particular moment.
Well no contender last year wanted him what makes this year any different?
Says who?
Says everyone and on top of that no one wanted to us a 1st rounder for him either.
The only source I have is Mitch, who said there was interest. I'm not sure who "everyone" is
We need to trade Lou. He has been productive and I appreciate that he's contributed to our wins along with being a great teammate, but it seems like his bad habits are rubbing off on JC. When these two come in with the second unit it's just iso after iso, and I've seen numerous times this season when JC decides to go 1 on 4 and refuses to pass the ball, leading to stupid turnovers. I don't recall this happening as often during his rookie year, so to me, his decision making has regressed. Not going to put all the blame on Lou, because that is his playing style and what makes him successful in the league. But psychologically, when you're sharing the backcourt with somebody playing that style of basketball, especially as a young player, I think it tends to rub off which is why JC has been such a ball stopper lately, he's trying to "get mine" like his fellow backcourt mate. Add on to the fact that Luke doesn't seem to hold him accountable (I still remember a game earlier this year where JC's turnovers and chucking single handily led to like a 10 point swing and almost cost us the game, Luke just kept him in there) like he does with D'Lo, I think JC's development is being hindered.
Anyways, if we can get a first round pick for Lou I'd make the deal in a heartbeat. You can't tell me a team contending in the playoffs wouldn't mind giving up a lower first round pick for a scorer off the bench with a very cap friendly contract. He'd be perfect for a team looking to take the next step, I just don't think his style of play fits in well for us at this particular moment.
Well no contender last year wanted him what makes this year any different?
Says who?
Says everyone and on top of that no one wanted to us a 1st rounder for him either.
He's having a better season this year away from Bryon and KFT. Do you have a link that says nobody wanted to trade a 1st rounder for him? From I recall Mitch just didn't like the offers, I don't remember hearing any specific details.
I'm all for trading Lou. He does need to be moved so that he can free up other guys. I do think he can be a crutch sometimes for Luke. But, I don't know if Luke has ever held Lou accountable for some of the mistakes he does.
We need to trade Lou. He has been productive and I appreciate that he's contributed to our wins along with being a great teammate, but it seems like his bad habits are rubbing off on JC. When these two come in with the second unit it's just iso after iso, and I've seen numerous times this season when JC decides to go 1 on 4 and refuses to pass the ball, leading to stupid turnovers. I don't recall this happening as often during his rookie year, so to me, his decision making has regressed. Not going to put all the blame on Lou, because that is his playing style and what makes him successful in the league. But psychologically, when you're sharing the backcourt with somebody playing that style of basketball, especially as a young player, I think it tends to rub off which is why JC has been such a ball stopper lately, he's trying to "get mine" like his fellow backcourt mate. Add on to the fact that Luke doesn't seem to hold him accountable (I still remember a game earlier this year where JC's turnovers and chucking single handily led to like a 10 point swing and almost cost us the game, Luke just kept him in there) like he does with D'Lo, I think JC's development is being hindered.
Anyways, if we can get a first round pick for Lou I'd make the deal in a heartbeat. You can't tell me a team contending in the playoffs wouldn't mind giving up a lower first round pick for a scorer off the bench with a very cap friendly contract. He'd be perfect for a team looking to take the next step, I just don't think his style of play fits in well for us at this particular moment.
Well no contender last year wanted him what makes this year any different?
Says who?
Says everyone and on top of that no one wanted to us a 1st rounder for him either.
He's having a better season this year away from Bryon and KFT. Do you have a link that says nobody wanted to trade a 1st rounder for him? From I recall Mitch just didn't like the offers, I don't remember hearing any specific details.
You just said so just provide your own link Mitch didn't like any of the offers.
We need to trade Lou. He has been productive and I appreciate that he's contributed to our wins along with being a great teammate, but it seems like his bad habits are rubbing off on JC. When these two come in with the second unit it's just iso after iso, and I've seen numerous times this season when JC decides to go 1 on 4 and refuses to pass the ball, leading to stupid turnovers. I don't recall this happening as often during his rookie year, so to me, his decision making has regressed. Not going to put all the blame on Lou, because that is his playing style and what makes him successful in the league. But psychologically, when you're sharing the backcourt with somebody playing that style of basketball, especially as a young player, I think it tends to rub off which is why JC has been such a ball stopper lately, he's trying to "get mine" like his fellow backcourt mate. Add on to the fact that Luke doesn't seem to hold him accountable (I still remember a game earlier this year where JC's turnovers and chucking single handily led to like a 10 point swing and almost cost us the game, Luke just kept him in there) like he does with D'Lo, I think JC's development is being hindered.
Anyways, if we can get a first round pick for Lou I'd make the deal in a heartbeat. You can't tell me a team contending in the playoffs wouldn't mind giving up a lower first round pick for a scorer off the bench with a very cap friendly contract. He'd be perfect for a team looking to take the next step, I just don't think his style of play fits in well for us at this particular moment.
Well no contender last year wanted him what makes this year any different?
Says who?
Says everyone and on top of that no one wanted to us a 1st rounder for him either.
He's having a better season this year away from Bryon and KFT. Do you have a link that says nobody wanted to trade a 1st rounder for him? From I recall Mitch just didn't like the offers, I don't remember hearing any specific details.
You just said so just provide your own link Mitch didn't like any of the offers.
Lakers were shopping Lou Williams last year and didn't trade him.
So where's your link that nobody wanted to trade a 1st rounder for him? Where's your link showing what other teams were offering? All I can find is that they were shopping him and didn't end up proceeding with a trade because they did not like the offers. I don't recall any details of trade offers during last year's trade deadline and I can't find any sources with those details.
Which players would Mitch be able to get for a Clarkson + Randle package?
Without moving Dlo or Ingram we are not getting the kind of talent that would lead us to playoffs. Clarkson had more value as starter, the 7th man label don't help with his value while I don't believe Randle would be able to land more than a prospect with other kind of limitations or a disgruntled veteran pasting his prime like Mello.
I don't like Phoenix, Utah or Charlotte players, but I'd move Dlo in a trade for most other players of the list.
The ULTIMATE pipe is we are getting a top ten player for JC and Julius.
The ultimate pipe was selecting 3 top ten players with our 3 lottery picks (kinda OKC) while signing other 2 with our cap space. We got Julius, Dlo, Ingram, Deng and Mozgov.
The ULTIMATE pipe is we are getting a top ten player for JC and Julius.
The ultimate pipe was selecting 3 top ten players with our 3 lottery picks (kinda OKC) while signing other 2 with our cap space. We got Julius, Dlo, Ingram, Deng and Mozgov.
well to be fair I dont see any top 10 players in those drafts maybe in the future but not at the moment.
The ULTIMATE pipe is we are getting a top ten player for JC and Julius.
The ultimate pipe was selecting 3 top ten players with our 3 lottery picks (kinda OKC) while signing other 2 with our cap space. We got Julius, Dlo, Ingram, Deng and Mozgov.
well to be fair I dont see any top 10 players in those drafts maybe in the future but not at the moment.
Embiid is the player I believe may be headed to this kind of stardom. His numbers per 36 are outstanding and he has a huge impact on both sides of the floor.
Why does it have to be one or the other? I don't get that part.
Also.. to the poster that asked what player Mitch could get for Clarkson + Randle.. none of the ones you listed lol. Maybe KCP or if one of the above players demanded a trade or something lol.
I was responding to the package the poster presented. He wanted to know what we could get for a Clarkson and Randle package and someone said a top 10 player. I responded getting a top 10 player is pipe and they we would have to add more to get that kind of a player.
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:33 am Post subject:
Dave20 wrote:
I think the Lakers value Lou more than Young. Young will be the odd man out.
I don't know what the FO thinks, but I do not. I actually hope Swaggy opts in, or we can sign him for reasonable amount. Sure he will return to bench at some point if he stays, but the guy is one of the best pure shooters in the league, and he can almost always get that thing off with a beautiful stroke.
Why does it have to be one or the other? I don't get that part.
Also.. to the poster that asked what player Mitch could get for Clarkson + Randle.. none of the ones you listed lol. Maybe KCP or if one of the above players demanded a trade or something lol.
Thank you for the response.
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Inspector Gadget wrote:
Dave20 wrote:
I think the Lakers value Lou more than Young. Young will be the odd man out.
Not sure about that, Young has Improved his game more then Lou has.
Defense, moving the ball, and other intangibles, Lou is still the same player as last year.
Some are expecting Nick to opt out of his contract and to seek a new deal this summer.
If that happens and Nick asks for $30 million total over three years, should Mitch agree to that?
If the Lakers could land Brandon Knight for nothing I'd be happy, but it'd probably cost us someone valuable.
If the Lakers could get Nerlens Noel for Huertas and removing the protection of our pick I'd love that too but Philly isn't gonna do that now that they've finally figured out that Noel is more valuable than Okafor.
If the Lakers could land Brandon Knight for nothing I'd be happy, but it'd probably cost us someone valuable.
If the Lakers could get Nerlens Noel for Huertas and removing the protection of our pick I'd love that too but Philly isn't gonna do that now that they've finally figured out that Noel is more valuable than Okafor.
Yo I'm down for almost any Noel deal these days, but I don't think the Lakers have any business removing the protection on that pick at this point, earlier in the season I was supporting a deal like this.
In all honesty if the Lakers traded Clarkson for LeVert and landed Noel from the Sixers for the protection of their pick removal I'd be ecstatic.
But anyway here's some of Okafor yesterday
Obviously has added the mid range to his game but again his biggest weakness is defense.
However like I said in another thread, how he gets his blocks and stops just by the nature of his hand size and reach is astounding and frustrating, because if he had some actual tutelage on defense he'd be at least an average defender.
If a coach like Brad Stevens got Okafor and he got verticality and help side defense down(two things he can do given his capabilities and incapabilities) they'd have quite a steal.
But again, I don't see him ever getting it unless he's traded.
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:57 am Post subject:
RI Laker wrote:
The ULTIMATE pipe is we are getting a top ten player for JC and Julius.
Try understanding what was posted (you failed at that), the Lakers wouldn't trade them unless it was for a top 10 player. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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