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| Quote: | Why running the Lakers won't be easy for Magic
Here comes Magic Johnson, the Hall of Fame guard with the 1,000-watt smile. Lakers vice president Jeanie Buss celebrated her civil war win over her brother, Jim, by elevating Johnson, an adviser for all of three weeks, to president of basketball operations. Gone was general manager Mitch Kupchak, ousted from his executive vice-president role was Jim Buss, and in comes Johnson, a legendary player, a successful businessman … and when it comes to being a basketball executive, a total novice.
That’s the thing: When the dust settles and all the friendly interviews are complete, the Lakers will be spearheaded by a top exec with no idea how to do the job for which he was hired. Harsh? Yes. Accurate? Absolutely. For all of Magic Johnson’s accomplishments, successfully running an NBA team — or even being a part of running one — is not one of them.
And that’s OK — if Johnson understands his limitations. First: Johnson is not a general manager. He needs a staff that knows the league and has relationships with key people in it. Rob Pelinka, the Lakers’ new GM, is a good start. Pelinka is a player agent, and there is a history of ex-agents, most notably Golden State GM Bob Myers, having success. Assistant GM Ryan West, son of Jerry West, is another important piece. Over the next few months Johnson must flesh out the Lakers’ front office with experienced, skilled people.
And he needs to empower them. Pelinka is not dumping his client list to be a glorified assistant. Nor should he. He has nearly two decades of NBA experience. He represented Kobe Bryant — and here is where we pause to note the irony that the man who negotiated the salary cap-killing contract that help put the Lakers in this current hole was hired to help dig them out of it — and has pieced together hundreds of player contracts.
He knows what he is doing. For now, Magic does not.
There’s more. Johnson needs to scout. A lot. It’s not enough for a top executive to periodically pop on the Pac-12 Network or sit through the NCAA tournament. He needs to hit the road. He needs to observe Louisville’s practices. He needs to be at Gonzaga’s games. He needs to forge relationships with Bill Self, Scott Drew and Sean Miller. Other execs do it. Oklahoma City’s Sam Presti is there. Toronto’s Masai Ujiri is everywhere. Even Miami’s Pat Riley — as inconspicuous at college games as a Volkswagen in a Ferrari lot — is regularly on campus.
Come to think of it, why didn’t the Lakers hire one of them? Star power in today’s NBA gets you nowhere. Johnson can’t divine who will be a great player just because he was one. And marquee free agents won’t sign with L.A. because Magic told them to. The marketing power that comes with being a Laker has diminished. Who is the biggest star in the NBA? LeBron James — in Cleveland. Who was right behind James in off-court earnings last season? Kevin Durant — in Oklahoma City. L.A. offers great weather. Fame? You can get that anywhere.
So why not make a run at a proven commodity? Unclear. The Knicks didn’t. James Dolan had $12 million per year to spend on a team president. He hired the NBA’s best coach. The Lakers had millions to spend, too. They hired one of the league’s greatest players. Would Presti, Ujiri or San Antonio’s R.C. Buford be interested in either gig? Who knows? But it’s stunning that neither team bothered to try.
Magic Johnson can be good at this job. But it’s foolish to think because he’s Magic Johnson that he will. Success in other walks of NBA life means little. Phil Jackson is floundering in New York. Vlade Divac is under fire in Sacramento. Running an NBA team is a year-round job with few breaks. The competition is fierce and talent is everywhere in an increasingly global game. To succeed with the Lakers, Magic Johnson needs to know: It’s time to get to work.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-running-the-lakers-wont-be-easy-for-magic-022112133.html |
TLDR; if Magic wants to succeed, he's going to have to do the following; https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hf7ay5L2kTQ/maxresdefault.jpg
Agreed with this, especially considering the talent potentially surrounding the FO if Pelinka is who some think he will be, along with what we already know about Ryan. We'll see how that transpires once Pelinka officially gets the seat warm. |
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That essentially makes Magic her rebound.  |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Why Running the Lakers won't be easy for Magic |
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| MJST wrote: | | Quote: | Why running the Lakers won't be easy for Magic
Here comes Magic Johnson, the Hall of Fame guard with the 1,000-watt smile. Lakers vice president Jeanie Buss celebrated her civil war win over her brother, Jim, by elevating Johnson, an adviser for all of three weeks, to president of basketball operations. Gone was general manager Mitch Kupchak, ousted from his executive vice-president role was Jim Buss, and in comes Johnson, a legendary player, a successful businessman … and when it comes to being a basketball executive, a total novice.
That’s the thing: When the dust settles and all the friendly interviews are complete, the Lakers will be spearheaded by a top exec with no idea how to do the job for which he was hired. Harsh? Yes. Accurate? Absolutely. For all of Magic Johnson’s accomplishments, successfully running an NBA team — or even being a part of running one — is not one of them.
And that’s OK — if Johnson understands his limitations. First: Johnson is not a general manager. He needs a staff that knows the league and has relationships with key people in it. Rob Pelinka, the Lakers’ new GM, is a good start. Pelinka is a player agent, and there is a history of ex-agents, most notably Golden State GM Bob Myers, having success. Assistant GM Ryan West, son of Jerry West, is another important piece. Over the next few months Johnson must flesh out the Lakers’ front office with experienced, skilled people.
And he needs to empower them. Pelinka is not dumping his client list to be a glorified assistant. Nor should he. He has nearly two decades of NBA experience. He represented Kobe Bryant — and here is where we pause to note the irony that the man who negotiated the salary cap-killing contract that help put the Lakers in this current hole was hired to help dig them out of it — and has pieced together hundreds of player contracts.
He knows what he is doing. For now, Magic does not.
There’s more. Johnson needs to scout. A lot. It’s not enough for a top executive to periodically pop on the Pac-12 Network or sit through the NCAA tournament. He needs to hit the road. He needs to observe Louisville’s practices. He needs to be at Gonzaga’s games. He needs to forge relationships with Bill Self, Scott Drew and Sean Miller. Other execs do it. Oklahoma City’s Sam Presti is there. Toronto’s Masai Ujiri is everywhere. Even Miami’s Pat Riley — as inconspicuous at college games as a Volkswagen in a Ferrari lot — is regularly on campus.
Come to think of it, why didn’t the Lakers hire one of them? Star power in today’s NBA gets you nowhere. Johnson can’t divine who will be a great player just because he was one. And marquee free agents won’t sign with L.A. because Magic told them to. The marketing power that comes with being a Laker has diminished. Who is the biggest star in the NBA? LeBron James — in Cleveland. Who was right behind James in off-court earnings last season? Kevin Durant — in Oklahoma City. L.A. offers great weather. Fame? You can get that anywhere.
So why not make a run at a proven commodity? Unclear. The Knicks didn’t. James Dolan had $12 million per year to spend on a team president. He hired the NBA’s best coach. The Lakers had millions to spend, too. They hired one of the league’s greatest players. Would Presti, Ujiri or San Antonio’s R.C. Buford be interested in either gig? Who knows? But it’s stunning that neither team bothered to try.
Magic Johnson can be good at this job. But it’s foolish to think because he’s Magic Johnson that he will. Success in other walks of NBA life means little. Phil Jackson is floundering in New York. Vlade Divac is under fire in Sacramento. Running an NBA team is a year-round job with few breaks. The competition is fierce and talent is everywhere in an increasingly global game. To succeed with the Lakers, Magic Johnson needs to know: It’s time to get to work.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-running-the-lakers-wont-be-easy-for-magic-022112133.html |
TLDR; if Magic wants to succeed, he's going to have to do the following; https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hf7ay5L2kTQ/maxresdefault.jpg
Agreed with this, especially considering the talent potentially surrounding the FO if Pelinka is who some think he will be, along with what we already know about Ryan. We'll see how that transpires once Pelinka officially gets the seat warm. |
I could completely off, but I just don't see Magic scouting. A lot. He does not have to scout a lot if he leaves our scouting department, which has done a fantastic job, the hell alone.
The mention of the demands of the job are on point. I am more than curious if/how he meets them with the multiple business matters he has on his plate. He's going to have to be highly focused, but at the same time delegate to the folks competent to do their jobs. |
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| LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Quote: | Why running the Lakers won't be easy for Magic
Here comes Magic Johnson, the Hall of Fame guard with the 1,000-watt smile. Lakers vice president Jeanie Buss celebrated her civil war win over her brother, Jim, by elevating Johnson, an adviser for all of three weeks, to president of basketball operations. Gone was general manager Mitch Kupchak, ousted from his executive vice-president role was Jim Buss, and in comes Johnson, a legendary player, a successful businessman … and when it comes to being a basketball executive, a total novice.
That’s the thing: When the dust settles and all the friendly interviews are complete, the Lakers will be spearheaded by a top exec with no idea how to do the job for which he was hired. Harsh? Yes. Accurate? Absolutely. For all of Magic Johnson’s accomplishments, successfully running an NBA team — or even being a part of running one — is not one of them.
And that’s OK — if Johnson understands his limitations. First: Johnson is not a general manager. He needs a staff that knows the league and has relationships with key people in it. Rob Pelinka, the Lakers’ new GM, is a good start. Pelinka is a player agent, and there is a history of ex-agents, most notably Golden State GM Bob Myers, having success. Assistant GM Ryan West, son of Jerry West, is another important piece. Over the next few months Johnson must flesh out the Lakers’ front office with experienced, skilled people.
And he needs to empower them. Pelinka is not dumping his client list to be a glorified assistant. Nor should he. He has nearly two decades of NBA experience. He represented Kobe Bryant — and here is where we pause to note the irony that the man who negotiated the salary cap-killing contract that help put the Lakers in this current hole was hired to help dig them out of it — and has pieced together hundreds of player contracts.
He knows what he is doing. For now, Magic does not.
There’s more. Johnson needs to scout. A lot. It’s not enough for a top executive to periodically pop on the Pac-12 Network or sit through the NCAA tournament. He needs to hit the road. He needs to observe Louisville’s practices. He needs to be at Gonzaga’s games. He needs to forge relationships with Bill Self, Scott Drew and Sean Miller. Other execs do it. Oklahoma City’s Sam Presti is there. Toronto’s Masai Ujiri is everywhere. Even Miami’s Pat Riley — as inconspicuous at college games as a Volkswagen in a Ferrari lot — is regularly on campus.
Come to think of it, why didn’t the Lakers hire one of them? Star power in today’s NBA gets you nowhere. Johnson can’t divine who will be a great player just because he was one. And marquee free agents won’t sign with L.A. because Magic told them to. The marketing power that comes with being a Laker has diminished. Who is the biggest star in the NBA? LeBron James — in Cleveland. Who was right behind James in off-court earnings last season? Kevin Durant — in Oklahoma City. L.A. offers great weather. Fame? You can get that anywhere.
So why not make a run at a proven commodity? Unclear. The Knicks didn’t. James Dolan had $12 million per year to spend on a team president. He hired the NBA’s best coach. The Lakers had millions to spend, too. They hired one of the league’s greatest players. Would Presti, Ujiri or San Antonio’s R.C. Buford be interested in either gig? Who knows? But it’s stunning that neither team bothered to try.
Magic Johnson can be good at this job. But it’s foolish to think because he’s Magic Johnson that he will. Success in other walks of NBA life means little. Phil Jackson is floundering in New York. Vlade Divac is under fire in Sacramento. Running an NBA team is a year-round job with few breaks. The competition is fierce and talent is everywhere in an increasingly global game. To succeed with the Lakers, Magic Johnson needs to know: It’s time to get to work.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-running-the-lakers-wont-be-easy-for-magic-022112133.html |
TLDR; if Magic wants to succeed, he's going to have to do the following; https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hf7ay5L2kTQ/maxresdefault.jpg
Agreed with this, especially considering the talent potentially surrounding the FO if Pelinka is who some think he will be, along with what we already know about Ryan. We'll see how that transpires once Pelinka officially gets the seat warm. |
I could completely off, but I just don't see Magic scouting. A lot. He does not have to scout a lot if he leaves our scouting department, which has done a fantastic job, the hell alone.
The mention of the demands of the job are on point. I am more than curious if/how he meets them with the multiple business matters he has on his plate. He's going to have to be highly focused, but at the same time delegate to the folks competent to do their jobs. |
Agreed - that's not a valid point. Magic is the President, not the GM. Pelinka is going to have to scout some, but mostly it will likely fall to Ryan West and team.
Magic needs to hire the right people, then trust them. |
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I agree with the part about not going for Presti etc when we have the resources.
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Here is hoping it works out better for him than coaching did.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Here is hoping it works out better for him than coaching did. |
So far he's 1-0. And considering President of Operations is different than coaching, he can only go up from that gig.
Or vice versa if one was a great coach before. See Phil Jackson.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Here is hoping it works out better for him than coaching did. |
Coaching is a totally different art form no reason to think it won't. |
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I think one of the interesting things for me is Magic is no longer in a position where he is the sympathetic person. Aside from very few instances (Tragic Johnson, his coaching stint) Magic has never, ever faced a hostile crowd or been in a position where his neck was on the line publicly (to my knowledge anyway). Even with his job at the Dodgers, he's more or less a mascot for the team, tweeting out bits PR chickenfeed or whatever while Andrew Friedman and Stan Kasten are the guys who have to face the Barbarians.
But now with the Lakers, the buck stops with Buck. Sure, Pelinka is the GM and is going to have to answer his fair share of questions, but everyone will be looking towards Magic. Being the boss of The Show is a prestigious job, but also can be a thankless one. Just ask Mitch Kupchak.
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Yea. That's the gross feeling I'm getting. Magic and Jeannie's affair.  |
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That essentially makes Magic her rebound. |
He's just giving her an assist, otherwise she would have reached out to Rodman. |
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| fansincemagic wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
That essentially makes Magic her rebound. |
He's just giving her an assist, otherwise she would have reached out to Rodman. |
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As Mark Heisler succinctly put it today, the Lakers are officially out of scapegoats. That suits this Laker fan.
These past few weeks have been utterly crass and tasteless by Earvin Johnson and Jeanie Buss. The firing of Mitch Kupchak after two plus weeks of being left twisting in the wind by Magic/Jeanie is a very low moment in the history of this org.
Jeanie's apology doesn't cut it and I haven't heard Magic offer one at all. And now he wants 3-5 years to right the ship?
Because I bleed Forum Blue and Gold I'm rooting for them and hoping for the best. But the distasteful way this was done is a bad look for the organization. Mitch Kupchak deserved better than that from two utter novices. |
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| Stumpy25 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Here is hoping it works out better for him than coaching did. |
Coaching is a totally different art form no reason to think it won't. |
The reason is that he is inexperienced in both. He can overcome that, but he has to do it.
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| CabinCreek44 wrote: | As Mark Heisler succinctly put it today, the Lakers are officially out of scapegoats. That suits this Laker fan.
These past few weeks have been utterly crass and tasteless by Earvin Johnson and Jeanie Buss. The firing of Mitch Kupchak after two plus weeks of being left twisting in the wind by Magic/Jeanie is a very low moment in the history of this org.
Jeanie's apology doesn't cut it and I haven't heard Magic offer one at all. And now he wants 3-5 years to right the ship?
Because I bleed Forum Blue and Gold I'm rooting for them and hoping for the best. But the distasteful way this was done is a bad look for the organization. Mitch Kupchak deserved better than that from two utter novices. |
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| SpunkieLakerCat wrote: | | CabinCreek44 wrote: | As Mark Heisler succinctly put it today, the Lakers are officially out of scapegoats. That suits this Laker fan.
These past few weeks have been utterly crass and tasteless by Earvin Johnson and Jeanie Buss. The firing of Mitch Kupchak after two plus weeks of being left twisting in the wind by Magic/Jeanie is a very low moment in the history of this org.
Jeanie's apology doesn't cut it and I haven't heard Magic offer one at all. And now he wants 3-5 years to right the ship?
Because I bleed Forum Blue and Gold I'm rooting for them and hoping for the best. But the distasteful way this was done is a bad look for the organization. Mitch Kupchak deserved better than that from two utter novices. |
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| I respected Mitch as GM, but he made a bunch of mistakes. I loved Magic a a player, and I'm hoping for the best. But Magic and his freaking ego...God help us, we're in for a bumpy ride. This guy is going to drive us nuts, too..it's the nature of the beast. He gets no praise til he delivers success on the court. |
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They probably should have handled the situation with Mitch a little better. Running any business is never going to be easy for anyone.
I'm no prognosticator so i have no idea how it all turns out and neither does anyone else. Speculation has never been an exact science.
Magic will succeed or fail by his own merits, only time will tell.
On that note, it is what it is and here we are. Let's hope that the FO can unite and move the team forward into a brighter future. |
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| CabinCreek44 wrote: | As Mark Heisler succinctly put it today, the Lakers are officially out of scapegoats. That suits this Laker fan.
These past few weeks have been utterly crass and tasteless by Earvin Johnson and Jeanie Buss. The firing of Mitch Kupchak after two plus weeks of being left twisting in the wind by Magic/Jeanie is a very low moment in the history of this org.
Jeanie's apology doesn't cut it and I haven't heard Magic offer one at all. And now he wants 3-5 years to right the ship?
Because I bleed Forum Blue and Gold I'm rooting for them and hoping for the best. But the distasteful way this was done is a bad look for the organization. Mitch Kupchak deserved better than that from two utter novices. |
Both Magic and Jeanie have an unfortunate habit of venting to the press, seeding anonymous quotes, and throwing people under the bus. They are both world-class finger-pointers who shrug and give surprised grins at the notion that they have any responsible or blame for any bad situation. I wouldn't want to work for either one of them -- there's always a knife ready to be stuck in your back.
Interesting to see how things work out. Magic strikes me more as a PR guy than a strategic or execution guy. He'll grin and make bold statements, but things can always turn ugly fast with him around. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | CabinCreek44 wrote: | As Mark Heisler succinctly put it today, the Lakers are officially out of scapegoats. That suits this Laker fan.
These past few weeks have been utterly crass and tasteless by Earvin Johnson and Jeanie Buss. The firing of Mitch Kupchak after two plus weeks of being left twisting in the wind by Magic/Jeanie is a very low moment in the history of this org.
Jeanie's apology doesn't cut it and I haven't heard Magic offer one at all. And now he wants 3-5 years to right the ship?
Because I bleed Forum Blue and Gold I'm rooting for them and hoping for the best. But the distasteful way this was done is a bad look for the organization. Mitch Kupchak deserved better than that from two utter novices. |
Both Magic and Jeanie have an unfortunate habit of venting to the press, seeding anonymous quotes, and throwing people under the bus. They are both world-class finger-pointers who shrug and give surprised grins at the notion that they have any responsible or blame for any bad situation. I wouldn't want to work for either one of them -- there's always a knife ready to be stuck in your back.
Interesting to see how things work out. Magic strikes me more as a PR guy than a strategic or execution guy. He'll grin and make bold statements, but things can always turn ugly fast with him around. |
+1. Magic is all perception and no reality. He will take all the credit and have nothing to do with it. |
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