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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:38 am    Post subject:

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Andre Ward Interviews Nate Diaz. Nate is obviously not well spoken but this was a fun segment IMO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PUb23Rq0JM


Yeah. Just watched that myself. Dre and the Skrap Pack go way back. The Diaz Bros aren't articulate but they speak their hearts and have depth. I like them both a lot. Agree with the assessment of the potential half a billion dollar match up though.


Agreed man. I'm like when we get athletes interviewing other athletes ant they actually have the skills to do so.

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Conor might gas out in this 12 round fight by the 7th round. Can see him getting knocked out after that, even though Mayweather isn't a power puncher.. Just think conditioning may be a huge factor there


Earlier in Floyd's career he could knock people out. Until he decided it was better to preserve himself. Now he has the brittle hands issue though. Do you think Floyd would tire McGregor out and then give it his all and be aggressive toward the end of the fight to go for the KO? This would likely be his last fight, so I wonder if he would go all out


Gassed or not, I don't think Conor is going to get knocked out by Floyd. 4 oz vs, 12-16 oz gloves. I'd actually bet a huge amount on a prop bet that ain't happening.
yeah Conor's got a good chin too.

He'd have to be REALLY tired, then anything can happen IMO


True but the fatigue Conor faced is overstated. There were multiple reasons why he gassed. It's a fact he was on antibiotics in the first fight. Secondly, I know you train so try throwing punches to a target (even a heavy bag) 5 inches higher. That is WAY more tiring. Third, he wasn't just swinging, he was swinging for the KO shot for 2 rounds straight with high volume. Fourth, Nate was constantly marching forward. Throw 100 kill shots over two 5 minute periods while the opponent is also looking to constantly pressure... None of these things will be a factor against Floyd much less the 3 minute versus 5 minute round. In the second fight against Nate, he gassed in the 3rd IIRC and caught his second wind. Make no mistake, Conor is going to get pieced up but he won't fatigue imo. Especially against a defensive smaller guy with pillow hands, big fat gloves, 3 minute rounds and no threat of a takedown.

In any event, I think Conor might have to do something out of left field. I don't know, maybe when they get caught together in a clinch, if I were Conor, I'd "accidentally" judo toss him to the ground. Not hard mind you but just a little hip movement. I'd throw my hands up and go "what the food did I do?". Maybe do it once or twice early. He's going to have to do something crazy to rattle Floyd, that's the only chance he's got. Conor's has just enough crazy in him to try something like that.


All great points on the fatigue! The heavier gloves may play a factor too, but for the reasons you stated he should have the wind. I could see him dropping his hands if he gets gassed, but it's doubtful Floyd would really pursue to make him pay for that.

Other people have brought up the Judo Toss or even kick tactic for McGregor to get Floyd rattled and start thinking about other things. I forget what youtube video I was watching, but they mentioned all of that stuff will likely be written into the contract. Where if McGregor attempts anything like that he'll be DQ'd and forfeit money. Someone even said he could be arrested for assault if he does something as blatant as a kick to the head. Idk if any of that is true, but I think he could get away with a quick toss or trip if they get wrapped up
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:42 am    Post subject:

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jonnybravo wrote:
22 wrote:
jonnybravo wrote:
22 wrote:
Gimme_the_rock wrote:
22 wrote:
Andre Ward Interviews Nate Diaz. Nate is obviously not well spoken but this was a fun segment IMO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PUb23Rq0JM


Yeah. Just watched that myself. Dre and the Skrap Pack go way back. The Diaz Bros aren't articulate but they speak their hearts and have depth. I like them both a lot. Agree with the assessment of the potential half a billion dollar match up though.


Agreed man. I'm like when we get athletes interviewing other athletes ant they actually have the skills to do so.

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Conor might gas out in this 12 round fight by the 7th round. Can see him getting knocked out after that, even though Mayweather isn't a power puncher.. Just think conditioning may be a huge factor there


Earlier in Floyd's career he could knock people out. Until he decided it was better to preserve himself. Now he has the brittle hands issue though. Do you think Floyd would tire McGregor out and then give it his all and be aggressive toward the end of the fight to go for the KO? This would likely be his last fight, so I wonder if he would go all out


Gassed or not, I don't think Conor is going to get knocked out by Floyd. 4 oz vs, 12-16 oz gloves. I'd actually bet a huge amount on a prop bet that ain't happening.
yeah Conor's got a good chin too.

He'd have to be REALLY tired, then anything can happen IMO


True but the fatigue Conor faced is overstated. There were multiple reasons why he gassed. It's a fact he was on antibiotics in the first fight. Secondly, I know you train so try throwing punches to a target (even a heavy bag) 5 inches higher. That is WAY more tiring. Third, he wasn't just swinging, he was swinging for the KO shot for 2 rounds straight with high volume. Fourth, Nate was constantly marching forward. Throw 100 kill shots over two 5 minute periods while the opponent is also looking to constantly pressure... None of these things will be a factor against Floyd much less the 3 minute versus 5 minute round. In the second fight against Nate, he gassed in the 3rd IIRC and caught his second wind. Make no mistake, Conor is going to get pieced up but he won't fatigue imo. Especially against a defensive smaller guy with pillow hands, big fat gloves, 3 minute rounds and no threat of a takedown.

In any event, I think Conor might have to do something out of left field. I don't know, maybe when they get caught together in a clinch, if I were Conor, I'd "accidentally" judo toss him to the ground. Not hard mind you but just a little hip movement. I'd throw my hands up and go "what the food did I do?". Maybe do it once or twice early. He's going to have to do something crazy to rattle Floyd, that's the only chance he's got. Conor's has just enough crazy in him to try something like that.


All great points on the fatigue! The heavier gloves may play a factor too, but for the reasons you stated he should have the wind. I could see him dropping his hands if he gets gassed, but it's doubtful Floyd would really pursue to make him pay for that.

Other people have brought up the Judo Toss or even kick tactic for McGregor to get Floyd rattled and start thinking about other things. I forget what youtube video I was watching, but they mentioned all of that stuff will likely be written into the contract. Where if McGregor attempts anything like that he'll be DQ'd and forfeit money. Someone even said he could be arrested for assault if he does something as blatant as a kick to the head. Idk if any of that is true, but I think he could get away with a quick toss or trip if they get wrapped up


The kick is going to be too obvious. The judo toss though...hips attached, a slight twist one way of a few inches ...not sure if he can sell it but it's something that could easily appear to be an accident.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:23 am    Post subject:

Great points about the potential overstating of McG's gassing, JB. And maybe you're right. However, I tend to think the issue does have a good chance of happening because Conor's going to have to try to try to make it a brawl at points to give himself a shot and that's going to take a bit of a frenzied pace. Watching those snippets of McG spar with that bum Artem Lobov, the holes in the Irishman's defense would be like fish-in-a-barrel type target practice for May. After being laser scope counter punched, he's going to eventually start eating jabs and that nasty straight right from Floyd and I think the mental fatigue that comes from not being able to land clean shots and being dissected could eventually lead to a Hatton type conclusion. All I know is, if this fight goes through, Conor REALLY loves money.

But, back to MMA ... I like the Yair Rodriguez / Frankie Edgar a lot. That 211 card is nice.
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100% agreed. It'd be quite funny to see and prob bruise Floyd's ego abit
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:50 am    Post subject:

Why is the UFC still granting Vitor Belfort fights? And I think he was ranked 9th too. When I got back into mma a year ago, I couldn't believe the phenom was still hanging around. Time for him to let it go.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:27 am    Post subject:

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Why is the UFC still granting Vitor Belfort fights? And I think he was ranked 9th too. When I got back into mma a year ago, I couldn't believe the phenom was still hanging around. Time for him to let it go.


You are right! In the last two years he has lost 4 of his 5 fights, but I think he is still a sentimental draw when he fights in Brazil. But at 39 yo, his best years are obviously behind him...

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:36 pm    Post subject:

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Why is the UFC still granting Vitor Belfort fights? And I think he was ranked 9th too. When I got back into mma a year ago, I couldn't believe the phenom was still hanging around. Time for him to let it go.


You are right! In the last two years he has lost 4 of his 5 fights, but I think he is still a sentimental draw when he fights in Brazil. But at 39 yo, his best years are obviously behind him...

Time to become a TRAINER...


Hear you loud and clear bruh. Hard for the organization to pass up that Brazilian cheese that comes from the diehard faithful but at some point, even the the queso wells for Chavez Sr., DLH, Morales, Barrera in boxing dried up. And the jig looks even more up in Vitor's case than it was with the former.

I just hope they don't blow up the victory for Gastelum like it appears some are. That was a win that most middleweights on the roster would have netted.

Plus there's heavy backlash from Belfort's TRT usage and such. Seems like everyone outside of Brazil has had it with the dude. Becoming a coach and commentator for the Brazilian broadcasts seems like the right move. We're getting into long term damage issues now.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:30 pm    Post subject:

Vitor's chin was dust. Dude dropped like a bag of potatoes twice. Ain't no flash knockdowns for him, just sleep

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:21 pm    Post subject:

Just read that Josh Burkman (one of the guys from one of the first TUFs) lost and retired in the undercard.

Father time has been knocking on the door for Anderson Silva, Rashad Evans and Vitor Belfort. Should have done the same. Anything now is just unnessisary punishment.
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