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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:32 am    Post subject:

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The Jahliliest possession ever

https://twitter.com/bachman_brian21/status/837106315952553984/video/1


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ďI know about the clip that everybodyís been talking about,Ē Okafor said after shootaround Friday. ďThe persona of me not caring defensively is false. I took it upon myself to talk to our defensive coach Lloyd Pierce to ask about that individual clip. He said that I did the defensive concepts and that was to retreat, retreat, retreat.

ďAnd I understand visually it looks bad. I was fatigued. I played the entire first quarter and I was tired. Iím not making excuses. Ö I did do what I was supposed to do and thatís retreat. We had an amazing roller in Hassan Whiteside so my job was to not let [Dragic or Whiteside] behind me. Of course [McGruder] runs in to get the offensive rebound and Iím [accountable] for that, too. Thatís my fault, supposedly. Thatís what everyoneís trying to make it out to be. The coaches are happy with the way Iíve been improving and every day I continue to work.Ē

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:36 am    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
The Jahliliest possession ever

https://twitter.com/bachman_brian21/status/837106315952553984/video/1


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ďI know about the clip that everybodyís been talking about,Ē Okafor said after shootaround Friday. ďThe persona of me not caring defensively is false. I took it upon myself to talk to our defensive coach Lloyd Pierce to ask about that individual clip. He said that I did the defensive concepts and that was to retreat, retreat, retreat.

ďAnd I understand visually it looks bad. I was fatigued. I played the entire first quarter and I was tired. Iím not making excuses. Ö I did do what I was supposed to do and thatís retreat. We had an amazing roller in Hassan Whiteside so my job was to not let [Dragic or Whiteside] behind me. Of course [McGruder] runs in to get the offensive rebound and Iím [accountable] for that, too. Thatís my fault, supposedly. Thatís what everyoneís trying to make it out to be. The coaches are happy with the way Iíve been improving and every day I continue to work.Ē

Does Lloyd Pierce coach him to not get his arms up on defense?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:17 am    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
The Jahliliest possession ever

https://twitter.com/bachman_brian21/status/837106315952553984/video/1


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ďI know about the clip that everybodyís been talking about,Ē Okafor said after shootaround Friday. ďThe persona of me not caring defensively is false. I took it upon myself to talk to our defensive coach Lloyd Pierce to ask about that individual clip. He said that I did the defensive concepts and that was to retreat, retreat, retreat.

ďAnd I understand visually it looks bad. I was fatigued. I played the entire first quarter and I was tired. Iím not making excuses. Ö I did do what I was supposed to do and thatís retreat. We had an amazing roller in Hassan Whiteside so my job was to not let [Dragic or Whiteside] behind me. Of course [McGruder] runs in to get the offensive rebound and Iím [accountable] for that, too. Thatís my fault, supposedly. Thatís what everyoneís trying to make it out to be. The coaches are happy with the way Iíve been improving and every day I continue to work.Ē


Wow his explanation makes him look worse.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:35 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
ocho wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
The Jahliliest possession ever

https://twitter.com/bachman_brian21/status/837106315952553984/video/1


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ďI know about the clip that everybodyís been talking about,Ē Okafor said after shootaround Friday. ďThe persona of me not caring defensively is false. I took it upon myself to talk to our defensive coach Lloyd Pierce to ask about that individual clip. He said that I did the defensive concepts and that was to retreat, retreat, retreat.

ďAnd I understand visually it looks bad. I was fatigued. I played the entire first quarter and I was tired. Iím not making excuses. Ö I did do what I was supposed to do and thatís retreat. We had an amazing roller in Hassan Whiteside so my job was to not let [Dragic or Whiteside] behind me. Of course [McGruder] runs in to get the offensive rebound and Iím [accountable] for that, too. Thatís my fault, supposedly. Thatís what everyoneís trying to make it out to be. The coaches are happy with the way Iíve been improving and every day I continue to work.Ē


Wow his explanation makes him look worse.


My favorite part was the rebound he is "supposedly" responsible for.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:26 pm    Post subject:

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The early pages of this thread, with the Oak/Mudiay > DLO arguments....


Happy birthday to Emmanuel Mudiay, who somehow managed to get himself removed from the rotation and have his NBA future in question prior to turning 21.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:52 pm    Post subject:

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The early pages of this thread, with the Oak/Mudiay > DLO arguments....


Happy birthday to Emmanuel Mudiay, who somehow managed to get himself removed from the rotation and have his NBA future in question prior to turning 21.


Amazing how these Okafor and Mudiay arguments have been already convincingly won before the end of their second seasons (I'd argue they were won before the end of the 1st), and haters are still out in full force.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:00 am    Post subject:

fiendishoc wrote:
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yinoma2001 wrote:
The early pages of this thread, with the Oak/Mudiay > DLO arguments....


Happy birthday to Emmanuel Mudiay, who somehow managed to get himself removed from the rotation and have his NBA future in question prior to turning 21.


Amazing how these Okafor and Mudiay arguments have been already convincingly won before the end of their second seasons (I'd argue they were won before the end of the 1st), and haters are still out in full force.


Next up, Porzingis and Booker?

Please D'angelo.
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Since Jameer Nelson was named Denver's starting PG, Emmanuel Mudiay has been a DNP-CDs in 5 of the last 7 games (totaling just 26 minutes).

That's not a good sign.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:30 pm    Post subject:

This thread aims to get even more golden.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:32 am    Post subject:

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GoldenThroat wrote:
The Jahliliest possession ever

https://twitter.com/bachman_brian21/status/837106315952553984/video/1


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:21 am    Post subject:

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Alex Kennedy‏ @AlexKennedyNBA 7m7 minutes ago

Since Jameer Nelson was named Denver's starting PG, Emmanuel Mudiay has been a DNP-CDs in 5 of the last 7 games (totaling just 26 minutes).

That's not a good sign.


Who'd trade the late 1st and some cash for him to be Russell's backup?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:28 am    Post subject:

Just a look at where they are a year later - year 2 almost over. Some advanced and regular stats.

[WIN SHARES
Towns 10.1
Turner 6.3
Porzingis 4.0
Booker 1.7
Okafor 1.2
Russell 1.0

BPM
Towns 5.2
Turner 2.4
Porzingis 0.1
Russell -0.2
Booker -2.7
Okafor -3.1

Points per game and Usage Rate
Towns 24.5 ppg 27.5% Usage
Booker 21.1 ppg 27.2% Usage
Porzingis 18.1 ppg 24% Usage
Russell 15.1 ppg 27% Usage
Turner 14.9 ppg 20.1% Usage
Okafor 11.9 ppg 23.8% Usage

True Shooting percentage
Towns 60.7
Turner 58.8
Porzingis 54.6
Okafor 54.5
Booker 53.5
Russell 51.1

3 point percentage (Important in today's league I guess)
Porzingis 37.3
Booker 37.2
Russell 35.3
Towns 35.3
Turner 34
Okafor ---- (No 3 point shot)

Blocks per game (Bigs)
Turner 2.1
Porzingis 2.0
Towns 1.4
Okafor 1.0

Assists per game (Guards)
Russell 4.8
Booker 3.2

To me:

#1 Towns is by far the best player in the draft. Just a superstar in the making. Other than not being a great rim protector, he has everything you want in a modern day big. Going to be a multiple time all-star for sure.

(GAP)
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#2 TIE Porzingis is is a player whose usage has gone down but points gone up in year 2. Sharing the ball with Rose/Melo not easy but he has done very well despite the (bleep) that's going on with the Knicks. Broke a record for youngest player (and 12th only) to have 100+ three pointers and 100+ blocks a game. I can't honestly judge his second season or development properly. Would be interesting to see what he does without the Melo/Rose/Phi Jackson stuff that's going on in NY. Good for NY is his TS, 3 pointer all up, and that's with playing with Rose/Melo and not likely getting the ball like Towns, Russell, Booker and some others get.

#2 TIE Myles Turner. He and Booker are the true steals of the draft. They were drafted outside of top 10 and yet have top 5 impact. Top 5 draft talent. Great stuff from Myles. A similar player to Porzingis in verstatilty and impact, only a lesser shooter. But Myles is stronger, more physical and seems to have edges on KP in some advanced stats. I rate them equal right now, overall. Great steal for Indiana. Shows you can get a great talent WITHOUT tanking.

#4 Booker quietly has established himself as the #4 player in this draft so far. He's improved his 3 ball, his true shooting and his assists are not bad for a SG. The BPM hurts him, but I think he's been the 3rd best so far.

#5 Russell has improved his production this year and his assists are up. He got more usage this year and we see better results with his points and assists. His shooting is his main weakness and the thing holding him back to really become a superstar. His usage rate has gone up, but one would think if he shot a little better from 3 he would be so much better. That's what he needs to work on. I feel Russell is the better talent than Booker, but Booker is producing more so far and his 3 ball has been more consistent than Russell. For as much as Russell relies on the 3 ball, he needs to work on it more.

* I still rate Okafor in the top 6-7 prospects. Despite a season where he was rag dolled from backup to starter to DNP-Trade talks, he's been able to produce on offense. The guy is in a horrible situation and has clear flaws to his game, but unlike a Mudiay, Okafor's still able to score points, gain win shares, have a solid true percentage. His per 36 numbers are solid.
I didn't do Jokic, because I've realized this year that Jokic was drafted in another draft class. In the SECOND round. Ridiculous get. His numbers are monsterous. Love his impact on a game. Jokic - 7.6 win shares, 8.4 BPM, only 23.1 Usage rate, 64.7 TS%. Only weakness in Jokic's game is defense. He doesn't anchor and Denver is really easy to get layups on. They need to pair him with a 4 that can anchor and protect the rim.


Mudiay is a nearing bust status.
-2.2 Win shares
-3.9 BPM
47.2 TS%

To me Okafor is still a NBA player who can be a valuable piece. Mudiay is bust material. I do not equate the two at all. I think Okafor at worst is going to be what Kanter or Vucevic or those guys are for a NBA team. A 15 points a night scoring big off the bench. Mudiay keeps this up, he may not be in the league in 3 years. I still have hope for Okafor. I think he'll put it together and we'll see a good NBA player in the future.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:21 pm    Post subject:

Really impressed with Booker. guy is not only talented, he seems to be very coachable and has been big time in the clutch... did a Kobe to the Mavs, that was Booker time.
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