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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:32 pm    Post subject:

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Rams trade starting DE to the Dolphins.


That's perfect for him. Isn't Hays the one who believes mermaids are real?

The also got rid of Simms too. Weren't Hays and Simms the ones who crashed the golf cart during training camp?

Lance Kendrick also got the boot. Good!


He is. Still better than Branch though. And cheaply acquired nonetheless.
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Rodgers with a good TE and healthy Nelson/Cobb is scary
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Rodgers with a good TE and healthy Nelson/Cobb is scary



Not really when you know the Packers defense isn't that great.
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Rodgers with a good TE and healthy Nelson/Cobb is scary



Not really when you know the Packers defense isn't that great.


And I wouldn't overrate Bennett, at least, not as a pass-catcher. He's maybe exceeded expectations in 1 of his NFL seasons. Last year, his production, considering he had Brady and that Gronk was out in a TE-friendly offense, was hardly stellar.
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If they let Butler go, I think you're going to see Eric Rowe get attacked RELENTLESSLY.



I would think so too. Rowe improved over the course of the season, to the point where he was pretty effective during the playoffs. But Butler is better, I still see Rowe as a rotational specialist that you bring in when a team has at least two tall receivers.

I think the problem is that Belichick doesn't see Butler as being a true CB1. He's a tad short, isn't that athletic or speedy. What he does give you is short distance burst, solid technique, and an alpha dog level of competitiveness. I think he's near elite in the slot, and those guys do not command the same salary premium as the CBs who cover the X and Z receivers.

Logan Ryan is kind of like that too, and that's why Belichick sometimes switched Ryan onto the opposing WR1. Ryan just signed for about $10 million per season average; Butler is slightly better, but I don't think he'll settle for $11 million or so.
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Rodgers with a good TE and healthy Nelson/Cobb is scary



Not really when you know the Packers defense isn't that great.


They'll need that offense as they've yet to replace BJ Raji's production, the CB crew is awful, and their key defensive players are aging.
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If they let Butler go, I think you're going to see Eric Rowe get attacked RELENTLESSLY.



I would think so too. Rowe improved over the course of the season, to the point where he was pretty effective during the playoffs. But Butler is better, I still see Rowe as a rotational specialist that you bring in when a team has at least two tall receivers.

I think the problem is that Belichick doesn't see Butler as being a true CB1. He's a tad short, isn't that athletic or speedy. What he does give you is short distance burst, solid technique, and an alpha dog level of competitiveness. I think he's near elite in the slot, and those guys do not command the same salary premium as the CBs who cover the X and Z receivers.

Logan Ryan is kind of like that too, and that's why Belichick sometimes switched Ryan onto the opposing WR1. Ryan just signed for about $10 million per season average; Butler is slightly better, but I don't think he'll settle for $11 million or so.


What do you think of them committing long-term to Gilmore but not Butler?
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Rodgers with a good TE and healthy Nelson/Cobb is scary



Not really when you know the Packers defense isn't that great.


And I wouldn't overrate Bennett, at least, not as a pass-catcher. He's maybe exceeded expectations in 1 of his NFL seasons. Last year, his production, considering he had Brady and that Gronk was out in a TE-friendly offense, was hardly stellar.


Yep. Bennet has always been a boom or bust guy. That meme that went around this past week about how Cutler had Bennet, Alshon, Marshall and Forte all in their "prime" was a bit of BS. I'm not fan of Cutler, but I don't recall all of those guys ever being healthy and in their prime together. Marshall was only there 3 years and one of them Alshon was a rookie and the another he was injured alot. And Bennet just isn't that good to begin with.
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If they let Butler go, I think you're going to see Eric Rowe get attacked RELENTLESSLY.



I would think so too. Rowe improved over the course of the season, to the point where he was pretty effective during the playoffs. But Butler is better, I still see Rowe as a rotational specialist that you bring in when a team has at least two tall receivers.

I think the problem is that Belichick doesn't see Butler as being a true CB1. He's a tad short, isn't that athletic or speedy. What he does give you is short distance burst, solid technique, and an alpha dog level of competitiveness. I think he's near elite in the slot, and those guys do not command the same salary premium as the CBs who cover the X and Z receivers.

Logan Ryan is kind of like that too, and that's why Belichick sometimes switched Ryan onto the opposing WR1. Ryan just signed for about $10 million per season average; Butler is slightly better, but I don't think he'll settle for $11 million or so.


What do you think of them committing long-term to Gilmore but not Butler?



I've always thought of Butler as being more of a CB1b than a CB1a. Butler is one of the best CBs, but his game does have some limitations, which I mentioned earlier. You really don't want him covering big, long WRs, he falls prey to double moves more than he should, and his ass does get saved by NE's quality safeties when someone speedy gets a step on go routes. My guess is that Belichick did the math in his head, and concluded that if he's going to spend Gilmore money, it'll be on Gilmore, who is slightly younger than Butler and perhaps still be molded into an even better player.

I'm still surprised though, as every player has limitations. To me, he's not exactly a weak link on defense, so that means the problem is likely salary. My guess is that he was asking for $13M per season (Gilmore money), only he has more flaws than Gilmore, whose chief flaw has been consistency. Butler is a hometown favorite due to that Super Bowl 49 interception, and I'll be sorry to see him go. But I think his limitations make him an elite slot CB, rather than a scheme-flexible CB who can cover both outside and slot receivers. Belichick has a definite preference for defensive players who are flexible.

I think Butler is going to get traded.
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angrypuppy wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
angrypuppy wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:


If they let Butler go, I think you're going to see Eric Rowe get attacked RELENTLESSLY.



I would think so too. Rowe improved over the course of the season, to the point where he was pretty effective during the playoffs. But Butler is better, I still see Rowe as a rotational specialist that you bring in when a team has at least two tall receivers.

I think the problem is that Belichick doesn't see Butler as being a true CB1. He's a tad short, isn't that athletic or speedy. What he does give you is short distance burst, solid technique, and an alpha dog level of competitiveness. I think he's near elite in the slot, and those guys do not command the same salary premium as the CBs who cover the X and Z receivers.

Logan Ryan is kind of like that too, and that's why Belichick sometimes switched Ryan onto the opposing WR1. Ryan just signed for about $10 million per season average; Butler is slightly better, but I don't think he'll settle for $11 million or so.


What do you think of them committing long-term to Gilmore but not Butler?



I've always thought of Butler as being more of a CB1b than a CB1a. Butler is one of the best CBs, but his game does have some limitations, which I mentioned earlier. You really don't want him covering big, long WRs, he falls prey to double moves more than he should, and his ass does get saved by NE's quality safeties when someone speedy gets a step on go routes. My guess is that Belichick did the math in his head, and concluded that if he's going to spend Gilmore money, it'll be on Gilmore, who is slightly younger than Butler and perhaps still be molded into an even better player.

I'm still surprised though, as every player has limitations. To me, he's not exactly a weak link on defense, so that means the problem is likely salary. My guess is that he was asking for $13M per season (Gilmore money), only he has more flaws than Gilmore, whose chief flaw has been consistency. Butler is a hometown favorite due to that Super Bowl 49 interception, and I'll be sorry to see him go. But I think his limitations make him an elite slot CB, rather than a scheme-flexible CB who can cover both outside and slot receivers. Belichick has a definite preference for defensive players who are flexible.

I think Butler is going to get traded.


I imagine that to be the case as well, doesn't the Gilmore signing tie up an already notable chunk of money into the secondary?
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If they let Butler go, I think you're going to see Eric Rowe get attacked RELENTLESSLY.



I would think so too. Rowe improved over the course of the season, to the point where he was pretty effective during the playoffs. But Butler is better, I still see Rowe as a rotational specialist that you bring in when a team has at least two tall receivers.

I think the problem is that Belichick doesn't see Butler as being a true CB1. He's a tad short, isn't that athletic or speedy. What he does give you is short distance burst, solid technique, and an alpha dog level of competitiveness. I think he's near elite in the slot, and those guys do not command the same salary premium as the CBs who cover the X and Z receivers.

Logan Ryan is kind of like that too, and that's why Belichick sometimes switched Ryan onto the opposing WR1. Ryan just signed for about $10 million per season average; Butler is slightly better, but I don't think he'll settle for $11 million or so.


What do you think of them committing long-term to Gilmore but not Butler?



I've always thought of Butler as being more of a CB1b than a CB1a. Butler is one of the best CBs, but his game does have some limitations, which I mentioned earlier. You really don't want him covering big, long WRs, he falls prey to double moves more than he should, and his ass does get saved by NE's quality safeties when someone speedy gets a step on go routes. My guess is that Belichick did the math in his head, and concluded that if he's going to spend Gilmore money, it'll be on Gilmore, who is slightly younger than Butler and perhaps still be molded into an even better player.

I'm still surprised though, as every player has limitations. To me, he's not exactly a weak link on defense, so that means the problem is likely salary. My guess is that he was asking for $13M per season (Gilmore money), only he has more flaws than Gilmore, whose chief flaw has been consistency. Butler is a hometown favorite due to that Super Bowl 49 interception, and I'll be sorry to see him go. But I think his limitations make him an elite slot CB, rather than a scheme-flexible CB who can cover both outside and slot receivers. Belichick has a definite preference for defensive players who are flexible.

I think Butler is going to get traded.


I imagine that to be the case as well, doesn't the Gilmore signing tie up an already notable chunk of money into the secondary?



Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I think that the Malcolm Butler ship has sailed. New England does still have the cap space to sign both Hightower and Butler, but I don't them investing that kind of money in the defensive backfield. If we just isolate it to CB1 and CB2 contracts, that high-water mark was Revis and Browner, who collectively made about $19 million or so back in 2014. The salary cap is about 25% higher now, and of course most of that extra money is allocated towards the better players. Doing the math, that means a little over $10 million could be used for Malcolm Butler's average annual salary.

Now... let's do the math based on public leaks of the contract negotiations, which have since stalled. Supposedly NE offered a 5 year deal, with a salary in the $6 million to $7 million range, either during or prior to last season (yes, the details are sketchy). Now work backwards:

$7 million times 5 years = $35 million

Back out Butler's "next best alternative" which is sitting on the Patriot roster, waiting to become an unrestricted free agent. That means a 2016 salary of $0.6 million and a 2017 salary of about $4 million (first round tender money). Subtract that, and that gives you what the Patriots think Malcolm Butler is worth, which of course is a home town discount:

$35 million - $0.6 million - $4 million = $30.4 million for the last 3 years

Divide the answer by three, and you get about $10.1 million.

Amazing how that works out. My conclusion is that Belichick & Company value Butler at $10 million or so per season, and that the salaries of Gilmore and Butler ($23 million) are commensurate with what they paid Revis and Browner back in 2014, once you account for the increase in the salary cap.


To me, that situation can be salvaged is Butler is willing to be extended for 5 years, $44 million. That means $10 million per year for 4 years, plus $4 million which they would pay anyway next season as he's now a first round tender.

Better question: Would Butler sign such a contract? Probably not, even if you front load with an elaborate signing bonus (that should be the inducement to make him sign). In his mind's eye, that is still a shade under $9 million per season, and such an offer would come on the heels of Stephon Gilmore's $13 million per season contract. That reasoning negates Gilmore's status as an unrestricted free agent, but that might not matter at this point. There is definitely an emotional element, and my sense from afar is that Butler and his agent are agitated as hell after the Patriots bypassed him and signed Gilmore for more than they'd ever offer Butler.

In the interest of both parties, it is probably time to trade Malcolm Butler.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:46 am    Post subject:

Interested to see if the Cowboys try and make a move to sign Adrian Peterson now with Zeke's antics yesterday likely leading to a suspension.
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Seahawks sign Eddie Lacy, who scared off most teams after he weighed in at 267 pounds on a few free agent visits...
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Interested to see if the Cowboys try and make a move to sign Adrian Peterson now with Zeke's antics yesterday likely leading to a suspension.


Unless I'm missing something, why would he get suspended?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:44 am    Post subject:

Hightower just re-signed with New England, for $43.5 million, 4 year deal.

Off the top of my head, NE has about $20 million cap space remaining. If they restructure Amendola, that should increase to about $25 million.
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Interested to see if the Cowboys try and make a move to sign Adrian Peterson now with Zeke's antics yesterday likely leading to a suspension.


Unless I'm missing something, why would he get suspended?


No charges filed of yet for that incident. But I have to imagine if he doesn't shape up, he could be in hot water soon.
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Seahawks sign Eddie Lacy, who scared off most teams after he weighed in at 267 pounds on a few free agent visits...



Reportedly, there's a weight clause. I wonder if they're using a weighted-average.
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Seahawks sign Eddie Lacy, who scared off most teams after he weighed in at 267 pounds on a few free agent visits...



Reportedly, there's a weight clause. I wonder if they're using a weighted-average.


Maybe they want him to gain weight; he's close to be being able to play guard.

Oh, and the Vikings just signed Lascivious Murray.
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Seahawks sign Eddie Lacy, who scared off most teams after he weighed in at 267 pounds on a few free agent visits...



Reportedly, there's a weight clause. I wonder if they're using a weighted-average.


Maybe they want him to gain weight; he's close to be being able to play guard.

Oh, and the Vikings just signed Lascivious Murray.




I'm sad to see him leave the Raiders, though
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Cowboys are going to need to replace both Carr and Claiborne now. Also lost Barry Church. Their secondary is in trouble right now.
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Raiders sign Jared Cook.
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Dontari Poe signs with the Falcons. His play has been declining due to injury but he's still a top young DT in the league. I know we were looking at him to pair with Suh but were only offering $5mil a year while Falcons were going $8m.

I liked the Rams signing of Connor Barwin. He's an effort player at LB who while may not be at 100%, gives them someone who can rush the passer. And it's a very affordable 1 year deal. Rams are moving to a 3-4 so they need a rushing OLB opposite Quinn.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:45 pm    Post subject:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/17/espn-hires-rex-ryan/

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Former Jets and Bills coach Rex Ryan won’t be in the NFL this year, but he won’t be unemployed.

Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News reports that Ryan has signed a multi-year contract to appear on Sunday NFL Countdown.

It’s unclear whether Rex’s arrival means that someone else will be out. Richard Deitsch of SI.com recently reported that ESPN will be slashing from the payroll in the coming months “tens of millions” in salary paid to “staffers many viewers and readers will recognize.” Persons with expiring contracts are “particularly vulnerable.”

Randy Moss, Matthew Hasselbeck, and Charles Woodson joined the show last year, along with Trent Dilfer. Ryan will either expand the roster of analysts to five, or someone is going to get the short straw.
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It’s not for entertainment.

It’s not for late-night cravings.

Ricky Jean Francois says he owns 25 Dunkin’ Donuts franchises, and his reason is for the long haul.

The new Packers defensive tackle signed a one-year, $2 million contract last week. Fair to say, he won’t dump all those funds into a million-dollar sports car and clothes. Jean Francois has made investing a priority in his NFL career, applying the focus into a business strategy that so happens to make him something of a doughnut-and-coffee tycoon.

Jean Francois said that he wasn’t as conscientious with his money in 2009 as a 49ers rookie.

But as the NFL paychecks grew, his attention did, too.

“When the big money came in,” Jean Francois said, via Fox Sports Radio, “I was like, ‘I need a retirement plan right now. I need a retirement plan that can grow right now, so at the time when I actually walk out of the NFL, I don’t have to let the NFL be my identity. Teams can look at me like, ‘OK, he’s a business man. He’s a smart guy. He knows what he’s doing with his money.’

“I’m going on year nine, and I have so many different investments and opportunities, so the day I have to walk out of the league, I won’t have those second guesses. I won’t be those guys you see on ’30-for-30.’ I won’t be those percentage of guys that goes broke. . . . I want to be that guy on top. When the league talks about, ‘This is what you do with your money,’ they actually show a picture of me.”

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Ricky Jean Francois explains why he owns 25 donut shops


It’s not for entertainment.

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Ricky Jean Francois says he owns 25 Dunkin’ Donuts franchises, and his reason is for the long haul.

The new Packers defensive tackle signed a one-year, $2 million contract last week. Fair to say, he won’t dump all those funds into a million-dollar sports car and clothes. Jean Francois has made investing a priority in his NFL career, applying the focus into a business strategy that so happens to make him something of a doughnut-and-coffee tycoon.

Jean Francois said that he wasn’t as conscientious with his money in 2009 as a 49ers rookie.

But as the NFL paychecks grew, his attention did, too.

“When the big money came in,” Jean Francois said, via Fox Sports Radio, “I was like, ‘I need a retirement plan right now. I need a retirement plan that can grow right now, so at the time when I actually walk out of the NFL, I don’t have to let the NFL be my identity. Teams can look at me like, ‘OK, he’s a business man. He’s a smart guy. He knows what he’s doing with his money.’

“I’m going on year nine, and I have so many different investments and opportunities, so the day I have to walk out of the league, I won’t have those second guesses. I won’t be those guys you see on ’30-for-30.’ I won’t be those percentage of guys that goes broke. . . . I want to be that guy on top. When the league talks about, ‘This is what you do with your money,’ they actually show a picture of me.”

Between the March free-agency period and rookie contract signings to come, Jean Francois’ example is a timely one.


He does what he knows.
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