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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:27 am    Post subject:

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The triangle is back and Jeff Hornacek said management will use remaining months to determine which players fit system and which don't.





Melo (starting to decline) and Noah (health concerns) are approximately 40% of the team salary going forward. An above average FO executive might be able to overcome those obstacles and be able to put together a middle of the road roster that would be capable of making the playoffs.

Since Phil has yet to display above average abilities as a FO executive, overcoming the Melo and Noah obstacles is beyond his ability level.

I expected him to struggle, but thought that he would eventually improve some as a FO executive. Sadly, he still is still more concerned with how history treats him as a past coach of the Bulls and Lakers rather than as the executive of the Knicks in the present.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:11 am    Post subject:

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Always find it comical how Laker fans on a Laker board who have seen the Triangle being run on 5 championship teams the most recent in 2010 - which is modern era basketball - can knock it so much.


Com one, Wolfie. There's a sizeable degree of humor involved here. A lot of us were calling this early on. Only thing left is for Rambis to be named interim coach.


The game has indeed changed significantly since 2010:


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:17 am    Post subject:

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Are there graphs that breakdown the regular season by playoff and non-playoff teams for the same time period?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:26 am    Post subject:

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Are there graphs that breakdown the regular season by playoff and non-playoff teams for the same time period?


Yeah actually Ed (consultant for the Rockets) also posted this right afterwards:

https://twitter.com/EdKupfer/status/837430626718482437
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:06 am    Post subject:

Did the 2010 Lakers really do that well with the triangle? I never thought that offense was close to the 2009 offense. Fortunately, the 2010 team was better defensively.

I thought the triangle was a major improvement in 2000 over the stuff the Lakers were doing with Del Harris and Kurt Rambis in previous years. But that was almost 20 years ago.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:09 am    Post subject:

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Thing being overlooked

Pick and roll and spread basketball is used almost by every team

If 20 teams use high pick and roll then 5 do great 15 not well then you can say hey look those 5 do great. No one looks at the 15 that fail playing spread pick and roll basketball. No focus on the 15. Not many teams have ran the Triangle. The ones who have outside of Jacksons watch have been all lottery talent teams. So what about the teams that actually have talent to win and ran it?? They did well like the Lakers of the 2008-2011 era.

Triangle has been tried a few times by teams with questionable talent. Not with Phil or Tex coaching it. Yet those places it has been tried the talent has been questionable. Dallas in the 90s. Knicks a little. Shaw never ran the Triangle in Denver. Rambo ran it in Minnesota a little. No extremely talented team has truly committed to it the way Jackson/Tex teams have with the Lakers or Bulls. You see examples do Dallas in the 90s or these Knicks. ESPN didn't pick these Knicks to make the playoffs or be over .500

So when teams like that fail people can say hey look it's the Triangle yet the team wasn't even positioned to be any good based on the season predictions.

It remains a fact that Kobe and Jordan struggled to win in any other system. Once they were forced into a system like that they played winning basketball.

I think it could still be successful because the fundamentals of it are still the same elements you need to play winning basketball but you won't see it happen unless the talent is high enough to succeed and the players buy in. These days players don't want to adapt their games and there's such an easier path to play good offense with the spread pick and roll so why bother with the Triangle. That doesn't discount that if a team with the talent to actually be a good playoff team, ran the Triangle they wouldn't actually be good. Like I've said many times with no response if we had Fish/Kobe/Ariza/LO/Pau Lakers we would be top 3 in the West and top 5 in the league while running the Triangle. Not like that team wouldn't be a great team in this era. They have all the talent without a pick and roll PG and still would be a contender.


There is a reason why Steve Kerr really wanted the Warriors job instead of any other job. If he took the Knicks job, he would have ended up like Derek Fisher and Luke Walton.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:36 am    Post subject: Kristaps Porzingis: Knicks' playing schemes are confusing

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The Knicks (26-41) recently shifted their philosophy on offense, increasing the amount of triangle sets after the All-Star break. But the change hasn't produced the desired results; New York has lost seven of 10 games since re-emphasizing the triangle -- team president Phil Jackson's preferred offensive approach.

Porzingis, the No. 4 overall selection in the 2015 draft, said the Knicks' offensive sets under new head coach Jeff Hornacek are "random" and that his teammates "don't know the triangle well."

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:48 pm    Post subject:

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-knicks-players-sick-of-the-triangle-losing-faith-in-jeff-hornacek-because-of-it/
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:56 pm    Post subject:

ESPN reporting that the Knicks and Phil picked up their option for the remaining 2 years of Phil's deal.

And this is why they're the Knicks.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:15 pm    Post subject:

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ESPN reporting that the Knicks and Phil picked up their option for the remaining 2 years of Phil's deal.

And this is why they're the Knicks.




As long as it means he can't come here I'm ecstatic
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:20 pm    Post subject:

So does that mean Melo is gone?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:35 pm    Post subject:

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So does that mean Melo is gone?


It's certainly looking that way, but he still has to sign off on it.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 10:45 am    Post subject:

This might be the Phil Jacksoniest Phil Jackson quote ever.

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Phil Jackson: "I never took a jump shot, never made a substitution but the buck stops here."

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 10:49 am    Post subject:

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Are there graphs that breakdown the regular season by playoff and non-playoff teams for the same time period?


Yeah actually Ed (consultant for the Rockets) also posted this right afterwards:

https://twitter.com/EdKupfer/status/837430626718482437


That 2009 Magic team with very similar figures to the 2016 Cavs and Warriors
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:00 am    Post subject:

Phil throwing Melo under the bus pretty hard in his exit interview.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:06 am    Post subject:

any good articles ocho?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:17 am    Post subject:

22 wrote:
any good articles ocho?


@IanBegley 40m40 minutes ago
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Phil Jackson: "I never took a jump shot, never made a substitution but the buck stops here."

@IanBegley 36m36 minutes ago
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Phil Jackson, asked if he wants Melo back, says Melo is a player who might be better off chasing a championship elsewhere.

@IanBegley 35m35 minutes ago
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Asked if he wants Melo back, Phil Jackson notes that Knicks haven't been able to win with him.

@IanBegley 30m30 minutes ago
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Here's Phil Jackson on Carmelo Anthony: "I think the direction with our team is that he would be better off somewhere else."

@IanBegley 17m17 minutes ago
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Phil Jackson says his 'partnership' with Carmelo hasn't worked out but credited Carmelo for 'carrying the load' with the Knicks.

@IanBegley 15m15 minutes ago
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Phil Jackson says he told Carmelo in the exit meeting, "You don't want to end up your career not winning" and he shouldn't want that label.

@IanBegley 12m12 minutes ago
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Phil Jackson says he doesn't think that the way things have played out between he & Carmelo will impact the Knicks negatively in free agency
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:29 am    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
22 wrote:
any good articles ocho?


@IanBegley 40m40 minutes ago
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Phil Jackson: "I never took a jump shot, never made a substitution but the buck stops here."

@IanBegley 36m36 minutes ago
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Phil Jackson, asked if he wants Melo back, says Melo is a player who might be better off chasing a championship elsewhere.

@IanBegley 35m35 minutes ago
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Asked if he wants Melo back, Phil Jackson notes that Knicks haven't been able to win with him.

@IanBegley 30m30 minutes ago
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Here's Phil Jackson on Carmelo Anthony: "I think the direction with our team is that he would be better off somewhere else."

@IanBegley 17m17 minutes ago
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Phil Jackson says his 'partnership' with Carmelo hasn't worked out but credited Carmelo for 'carrying the load' with the Knicks.

@IanBegley 15m15 minutes ago
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Phil Jackson says he told Carmelo in the exit meeting, "You don't want to end up your career not winning" and he shouldn't want that label.

@IanBegley 12m12 minutes ago
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Phil Jackson says he doesn't think that the way things have played out between he & Carmelo will impact the Knicks negatively in free agency
19 replies 15 retweets 22 likes




WOW!! Thanks for posting!

That's straight up SAVAGE. Def wants him to waive the no trade clause
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:32 pm    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
This might be the Phil Jacksoniest Phil Jackson quote ever.

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Phil Jackson: "I never took a jump shot, never made a substitution but the buck stops here."


Dude is so passive-aggressive.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:21 pm    Post subject:

It was sort of like a monster, Frankenstein's monster that is, except that the Knicks' version never came to life from the operating table.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:06 pm    Post subject:

He's trying his best to pressure him into leaving. Melo has already shown that he's fine getting the most $$ possible and living in NY. I don't think it's gonna work Phil.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:36 pm    Post subject:

Sounds like he didn't take the breakup with Jeanie well.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:38 pm    Post subject:

Phil's biggest mistake was resigning Melo but he needed a star to give the NY fans.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:07 pm    Post subject:

Who is going to trade for Melo? His production is just going to fall off even more. I can see another Brooklyn Nets situation where they are robbed of future assets.
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