Lakersí Deng, Mozgov (a combined $136 million) are shut down for rest of season
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:44 pm    Post subject:

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The deals that got Jim and Mitch fired. Inexcusable deals. Can't even remember how many times we struck out in the FA market cause of Mitch and crew. For some reason we always gave deals to over the hill players on their last legs with Mitch at the helm.

Free Agents
  • 36 Year Old Mitch Richmond (2002)
  • 38 Year Old Horace Grant (2004)
  • 36 Year Old Vlade Divac (2005)
  • 35 Year Old Jim Jackson (2006)
  • 34 Year Old Aaron McKie (2007)
  • 33 Year Old Ira Newble (2008)
  • 37 Year Old Theo Ratliff (2011)
  • 36 Year Old Antwan Jamison (2013)
  • 33 Year Old Carlos Boozer (2015)
  • 36 Year Old Metta World Peace (2016)

Trades (included #1 pick.)
  • 35 Year Old Horace Grant (2001)
  • 38 Year Old Steve Nash (2013)

It was a miracle that Mitch kept his job as long as he did .


If we are talking deals that cost us chances in free agency, not picking up Devean George's option and then being forced to use the MLE to re-sign him ranks up there. Iirc, Billups and Camby were both available at MLE contracts at the time.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:46 pm    Post subject:

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The main problem with both HORRIBLE signings was the length of the deals.

Deng came into the league when he was 19/20. He was 31 when signed a 4 YEAR DEAL.

Mozgov was 30 when he signed a 4 YEAR DEAL.

Even superstars on the wrong side of 30 only sign for 2 year deals (Kobe & LeBron)

We had money and we spent it FOOLISHLY. Both guys had mileage (Deng) and Injury histories (Mozgov). 2 years /36 million for Deng and 2 years 28 for Mozgov would have done it. If not, so be it.


LeBron and Kobe only signed two year deals because either that's all the CBA allowed or because they wanted the flexibility to sign a bigger contract sooner.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:14 pm    Post subject:

JUST-MING wrote:
Moises wrote:
The deals that got Jim and Mitch fired. Inexcusable deals. Can't even remember how many times we struck out in the FA market cause of Mitch and crew. For some reason we always gave deals to over the hill players on their last legs with Mitch at the helm.

Free Agents
  • 36 Year Old Mitch Richmond (2002)
  • 38 Year Old Horace Grant (2004)
  • 36 Year Old Vlade Divac (2005)
  • 35 Year Old Jim Jackson (2006)
  • 34 Year Old Aaron McKie (2007)
  • 33 Year Old Ira Newble (2008)
  • 37 Year Old Theo Ratliff (2011)
  • 36 Year Old Antwan Jamison (2013)
  • 33 Year Old Carlos Boozer (2015)
  • 36 Year Old Metta World Peace (2016)

Trades (included #1 pick.)
  • 35 Year Old Horace Grant (2001)
  • 38 Year Old Steve Nash (2013)

It was a miracle that Mitch kept his job as long as he did .


Might as well add to the list trades where they gave up a first rounder to dump a guy, like Sasha and Luke. Man, that makes it more depressing.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:56 pm    Post subject:

Deng + Mozgov = Two reasons why Mitch & Jim are gone. Absolutely terrible deals.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:42 am    Post subject:

Does anyone think Cuban would do Devin Harris for Luol Deng and Hou pick?

Dallas has a ton of cap space next season.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:13 pm    Post subject:

We all knew Deng and Mozgov were going to be Lakers at some point because they were scouting them for years, but should had not given them 4 year deals.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:35 pm    Post subject:

Tony Anapolis wrote:
Does anyone think Cuban would do Devin Harris for Luol Deng and Hou pick?

Dallas has a ton of cap space next season.



Very possible if Deng's contract ended in summer 2018.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:37 pm    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
Tony Anapolis wrote:
Does anyone think Cuban would do Devin Harris for Luol Deng and Hou pick?

Dallas has a ton of cap space next season.



Very possible if Deng's contract ended in summer 2018.


And Mozgov's too another $34 mil we could of had in summer 2018 if Mozgov and Deng were off our books.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:48 pm    Post subject:

FYI, Jeff Green has identical cap salary with Luol Deng.

A simple Deng / for Green swap works in the trade checker.. not sure if we need to add sweeteners but Green hasn't exactly been doing any good this year and we get to save cap flexibility.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:18 pm    Post subject:

Luke's fault for playing Deng as a SF, rather than as a 4.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:20 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
FYI, Jeff Green has identical cap salary with Luol Deng.

A simple Deng / for Green swap works in the trade checker.. not sure if we need to add sweeteners but Green hasn't exactly been doing any good this year and we get to save cap flexibility.



FYI, Jeff Green signed a one year contract with Orlando.

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Jeff Green - Signed 1-yr/$15M deal on July 7, 2016.



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:23 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
FYI, Jeff Green has identical cap salary with Luol Deng.

A simple Deng / for Green swap works in the trade checker.. not sure if we need to add sweeteners but Green hasn't exactly been doing any good this year and we get to save cap flexibility.


That could has helped us at the deadline, but too late now.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:24 pm    Post subject:

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Luke's fault for playing Deng as a SF, rather than as a 4.


The problem is that we had no other options at SF besides Ingram. Also Randle and Nance were at the 4.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:27 pm    Post subject:

fontana3d wrote:
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Luke's fault for playing Deng as a SF, rather than as a 4.


The problem is that we had no other options at SF besides Ingram. Also Randle and Nance were at the 4.


WE had Young on the team. Deng hasn't played well as a SF in years and somehow Luke thought Deng could play SF on probably his worst team in his career at this age in a more difficult conference
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:58 pm    Post subject:

Deng didn't play much better at the 4 this season than the 3 I don't think.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:06 pm    Post subject:

mhan00 wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Moises wrote:
The deals that got Jim and Mitch fired. Inexcusable deals. Can't even remember how many times we struck out in the FA market cause of Mitch and crew. For some reason we always gave deals to over the hill players on their last legs with Mitch at the helm.

Free Agents
  • 36 Year Old Mitch Richmond (2002)
  • 38 Year Old Horace Grant (2004)
  • 36 Year Old Vlade Divac (2005)
  • 35 Year Old Jim Jackson (2006)
  • 34 Year Old Aaron McKie (2007)
  • 33 Year Old Ira Newble (2008)
  • 37 Year Old Theo Ratliff (2011)
  • 36 Year Old Antwan Jamison (2013)
  • 33 Year Old Carlos Boozer (2015)
  • 36 Year Old Metta World Peace (2016)

Trades (included #1 pick.)
  • 35 Year Old Horace Grant (2001)
  • 38 Year Old Steve Nash (2013)

It was a miracle that Mitch kept his job as long as he did .


If we are talking deals that cost us chances in free agency, not picking up Devean George's option and then being forced to use the MLE to re-sign him ranks up there. Iirc, Billups and Camby were both available at MLE contracts at the time.


Signing ancients always felt like we were copying a Spurs thing, but the Spurs seem to get production from theirs. They even sign the old ones we left at the side of the road and they do well there. Horry went 2/38 for us one year and hit a trophy winning 3 for them two years later. Kevin Willis was about 47 years old and getting play. We do things like sign Vlade and re-sign Ho in 2004. Vlade played in a handful of games and looked like a warmed-over corpse, couldn't even flop any longer, his chief benefit. Grant was visibly past his prime even in 2001 and had a good performance every 5th game or so. It was a surprise when and where he would mark himself present. Going to the well twice was dumb no matter how much Phil liked old guys. Malone was a good pickup and decided to get hurt for the first time in 20 years. We should've taken that as an omen.

Iirc, Richmond didn't play in the Finals at all except for the final 30 seconds of the series where he hit the last bucket. NOICE!!!1...
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:24 pm    Post subject:

Noobs wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
Noobs wrote:
Luke's fault for playing Deng as a SF, rather than as a 4.


The problem is that we had no other options at SF besides Ingram. Also Randle and Nance were at the 4.


WE had Young on the team. Deng hasn't played well as a SF in years and somehow Luke thought Deng could play SF on probably his worst team in his career at this age in a more difficult conference


Nick was about to get cut remember. So at the time not really.
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