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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:26 am    Post subject:

It feels weird the Pacers have a 1 PM game if it were football this wouldn't seem odd to me.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:49 pm    Post subject:

Leonard making the strongest of cases for being the MVP. Ridiculous performance.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:56 pm    Post subject:

Kawhi (bleep) Leonard ... that's how you announce your candidacy for R/S MVP again this season, with a hyper-efficient game, 17 points in the 4Q of a marquee matchup, the final go-ahead bucket off-the-dribble (from distance) in the waning moments, followed immediately by the pivotal defensive play with the late chase down, thunderous pin-it-against-the-glass block on the MVP frontrunner ...

It's (bleep) bananas how productive this kid has become ...

http://www.si.com/nba/2017/03/07/kawhi-leonard-mvp-case-spurs-james-harden-russell-westbrook
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:07 am    Post subject:

Lebron is still a better player than Kawhi. Lebron controls the offense does Kawhi do that?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:23 am    Post subject:

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Lebron is still a better player than Kawhi. Lebron controls the offense does Kawhi do that?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkYwUHjKDPA

The Spurs don't operate a system that enables any one player to "control" the offense anyway. But more importantly, what about defense? Doesn't defense factor into the calculus of identifying the best player ... ?

LeBron may be a better player than Kawhi (esp. in the past), but when you factor in minutes played at this point, it's not so clear ...

Per 36 Minutes:

LeBron
Points: 24.9
Rebounds: 7.9
Assists: 8.4
Steals: 1.3
Turnovers: 4.0

Kawhi
Points: 28.1
Rebounds: 6.4
Assists: 3.7
Steals: 2.0
Turnovers: 2.2

Most of the advanced statistics also favor Kawhi at this point. And with him as the undisputed focal point, the Spurs are doing much more with less.

LeBron is an all time great, and he may even be the best player right now, but based on the apparent criteria of the R/S MVP award, Kawhi seems to be a more deserving candidate than LeBron right now. And frankly, I think he's more deserving than anyone else right now ... he's carrying the Spurs, much like LeBron did with his teams for many years. And winning in the process ...

LeBron's team is 7 games behind Kawhi's team with far greater surrounding talent. And with four R/S MVPs already, voter fatigue won't be his friend. Harden is a turnover machine, he can't play defense anywhere close to Kawhi's level, and his team is six games behind Kawhi's team. Same exact criticism of Westbrook, plus the fact that he seems to care more about his own game than winning, AND his team is 15 games behind Kawhi's team. This should be an easy decision, esp. when you consider how the Spurs constrain Kawhi's game. What he's done in expanding his game from his rookie year (and previously, his brief college career) is remarkable ...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:58 pm    Post subject:

17 points from the Warriors bench tonight in the loss to Boston ... 12 losses, on their way to 15 - 16 at this point, I'm guessing ...

For now, 1 game advantage over the Spurs in the loss column.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:23 pm    Post subject:

Wow. How is GSW so weak without Durant? It's the same team as last year minus Harrison Barnes, Bogut, Ezeli, and Speights... (And Mike Brown instead of Walton as Associate Head Coach.)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:52 pm    Post subject:

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Wow. How is GSW so weak without Durant? It's the same team as last year minus Harrison Barnes, Bogut, Ezeli, and Speights... (And Mike Brown instead of Walton as Associate Head Coach.)

Just not a deep team. They obviously have Curry, Klay, and Draymond, but Iggy has regressed since 2015, Pachulia is a below average starting center, and West doesn't space the floor like Speights does. Barnes is pretty meh at this point of his career.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:58 pm    Post subject:

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Wow. How is GSW so weak without Durant? It's the same team as last year minus Harrison Barnes, Bogut, Ezeli, and Speights... (And Mike Brown instead of Walton as Associate Head Coach.)


What about Hector Barbossa ... ?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:34 am    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
Wow. How is GSW so weak without Durant? It's the same team as last year minus Harrison Barnes, Bogut, Ezeli, and Speights... (And Mike Brown instead of Walton as Associate Head Coach.)


http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=178667&start=0
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:45 pm    Post subject:

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Lebron is still a better player than Kawhi. Lebron controls the offense does Kawhi do that?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkYwUHjKDPA

The Spurs don't operate a system that enables any one player to "control" the offense anyway. But more importantly, what about defense? Doesn't defense factor into the calculus of identifying the best player ... ?

LeBron may be a better player than Kawhi (esp. in the past), but when you factor in minutes played at this point, it's not so clear ...

Per 36 Minutes:

LeBron
Points: 24.9
Rebounds: 7.9
Assists: 8.4
Steals: 1.3
Turnovers: 4.0

Kawhi
Points: 28.1
Rebounds: 6.4
Assists: 3.7
Steals: 2.0
Turnovers: 2.2

Most of the advanced statistics also favor Kawhi at this point. And with him as the undisputed focal point, the Spurs are doing much more with less.

LeBron is an all time great, and he may even be the best player right now, but based on the apparent criteria of the R/S MVP award, Kawhi seems to be a more deserving candidate than LeBron right now. And frankly, I think he's more deserving than anyone else right now ... he's carrying the Spurs, much like LeBron did with his teams for many years. And winning in the process ...

LeBron's team is 7 games behind Kawhi's team with far greater surrounding talent. And with four R/S MVPs already, voter fatigue won't be his friend. Harden is a turnover machine, he can't play defense anywhere close to Kawhi's level, and his team is six games behind Kawhi's team. Same exact criticism of Westbrook, plus the fact that he seems to care more about his own game than winning, AND his team is 15 games behind Kawhi's team. This should be an easy decision, esp. when you consider how the Spurs constrain Kawhi's game. What he's done in expanding his game from his rookie year (and previously, his brief college career) is remarkable ...


I watch a lot of Spurs games. Leonard is a superstar talent but he's still only the 3rd or 4th best player in the league. He doesn't effectively pass out of double teams or have the court vision that Lebron has quite yet. If he did he'd be the best player in the league given his offensive efficiency and all-world defense.

I think Leonard's more deserving of MVP this season than Lebron, but he's not a better player than Lebron. The vast difference in assists per 36 is evidence of that. Lebron is the best SF to ever play the game and arguably the 3rd best player of all time.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:29 pm    Post subject:

Wiggins is such a choker.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:21 pm    Post subject:

Celtics are only 2 games behind the Cavs for the #1 spot in the east. With them getting the Nets 1st round draft pick this summer, I think it will only be a matter of time before they start giving the Cavs problems and possibly overtake them...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:42 am    Post subject:

Kawhi's defense hasn't been that great this year, he can still turn it on, but then so can Lebron, however the conservation of energy is pretty noticeable.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:49 am    Post subject:

Telleris wrote:
Kawhi's defense hasn't been that great this year, he can still turn it on, but then so can Lebron, however the conservation of energy is pretty noticeable.


https://media.giphy.com/media/glmRyiSI3v5E4/giphy.gif
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:49 am    Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:
Celtics are only 2 games behind the Cavs for the #1 spot in the east. With them getting the Nets 1st round draft pick this summer, I think it will only be a matter of time before they start giving the Cavs problems and possibly overtake them...


let us hope..

MJST wrote:
Telleris wrote:
Kawhi's defense hasn't been that great this year, he can still turn it on, but then so can Lebron, however the conservation of energy is pretty noticeable.


https://media.giphy.com/media/glmRyiSI3v5E4/giphy.gif


^ right?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:25 am    Post subject:

Pelicans were up 14 with 1:30 left and Gentry had Davis still in, hurt his leg or ankle... Can't play around like that, get him out.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:23 pm    Post subject:

Man steph can ball.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:33 pm    Post subject:

So Pelicans are 3.5 games back of the last playoff spot with 12 games left....I guess they aren't making the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:36 pm    Post subject:

Steph just disrespected the whole city of Oklahoma
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:12 pm    Post subject:

Vancouver Fan wrote:
Man steph can ball.


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Steph just disrespected the whole city of Oklahoma


That shot at the buzzer after the scuffle was cold blooded lol
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:52 pm    Post subject:

OKC Thunder are irrelevant now because of poor GM decisions....they will join the other teams in the dustbin of what if teams in NBA history, like the Phoenix Suns, etc....
They can cry all about the Warriors but they went and took their star player. Thats what winners do and losers cry about poor me....
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:31 pm    Post subject:

Bet you Westbrook knows who Curry is now.

Westbrook needs to stop doing all this trash talking while he keeps getting dominated.

This was the game to make his statement against Curry, cause the Warriors didn't have Durant this game. Curry dominated him, and the Warriors dominated this game.

After all the trash talk and all the "who is he" and all the stuff he's been saying all year and doing all year, and the air of "I'm better than everyone" he carries with almost an eye rolling delusion, he lost all 4 games and tonight when the Warriors didn't even have Durant, he got dominated again, this time after the "who is he" comment, wound up getting shut down for 15 points and 5 TOs while Curry lit him up for 23/5/7 in 3 quarters.

So right now, regardless of all that "competitive nature" regardless of all that "mamba mentality." I hope it's silenced down now about what Westbrook is and what Curry isn't. Westbrook keeps getting destroyed, and is still talking trash for no reason whatsoever. He's got no reason to talk trash at this point, and if he keeps on doing that he's gonna wind up looking like a bitter clown and eventually people are gonna go "yep...that's WHY Durant left."

I wish ESPN showed Kobe the kind of love and excuses they show for Westbrook, when Kobe carried a team of Smush and Kwame to a 45 win season while averaging 35 a game on 45% shooting, but "he doesn't make his teammates better. He isn't MVP." but for Westbrook it's "well look at his teammates..you gotta feel for Westbrook... he's so competitive and just doesn't have the team."

Harden has a less talented roster and is near 10 wins better than Westbrook's team.

ESPN gotten selectively soft as charmin.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:48 am    Post subject:

Westbrook reminds me of Iverson. Blow hard who walks around acting all tough. Great player, but stop the tough guy act. Focus on winning.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:04 pm    Post subject:

daaaamn booker. 64 pts most in a game since kobe bryant
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