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joey25
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| Gotta respect the Celtics. They've done a great job with their rebuilding phase post big-3 era unlike the Lakers. They're well ahead of the Lakers in this race. |
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Cavs look out of sorts. Draymond just left the court with what may be an injury. You guys seem mighty confident.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| ocho wrote: | | Cavs look out of sorts. Draymond just left the court with what may be an injury. You guys seem mighty confident. |
If GSW beat Spurs, they aren't gonna lose to Celtics. If they have issues, Spurs will get out of the west anyway. Celtics don't have the team to win 4 games against Spurs/GSW.
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| laker4life wrote: | | Laker_Town wrote: | Boston winning.
We're still at the kiddie table while Boston has not o my improved, but is about to get another top pick. |
We simply have a long way to go at this point compared to the Celtics.
They made incredible moves while we struggled with our FO.
Hopefully, the new kids on the block will make a change. |
Well, to be honest. Boston has a lot of experience at sucking. This our first true major dive in how long?
Bye.
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giordan0
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Their set for the next 5-6 years with the youth and high lottery picks in their team (gee thanks Billy King). As much as I'd hate for them to win title 18, they have their foot in the door.
Give Ainge credit, he's been able to turn them around in under two years. |
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Ziggy
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I'm kind of tired of people comparing our FO with theirs. We DID attempt to retool with the CP3 trade. It would've kept us relevant and the competitive momentum would've moved us forward without having to go through this rebuild.
CP3 is highly respected among the players and surely would've drawn talent to the Lakers. Dwight would've been our version of Deandre, Kobe would've been able to play at peak form for longer (atleast offensively). That trade veto was the death of this franchise as we knew it. No CP3, Pau fell into depression, LO traded and hit the crack pipe, Dwight walks, Kobe tears achilles, Nash punks us. That was it. We had nothing left. We're starting from the bottom again like an expansion team. This is what decades of forward momentum looks like when it hits a brick wall.
Boston knew their time with the Big 3 was done. Ray Allen walked, KG was no longer an elite defensive anchor, which was what gave them their identity. It was an obvious time to move on. Enter this new billionaire owner setting Jim Buss-like expectations such as winning a championship within 5 years. It was a perfect storm for Boston, but it was a lucky opportunity that fell on their lap. It was clear they had to move on, but it was simply a matter of how much can they get. They got lucky, we didn't. |
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pjiddy
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| giordan0 wrote: | Their set for the next 5-6 years with the youth and high lottery picks in their team (gee thanks Billy King). As much as I'd hate for them to win title 18, they have their foot in the door.
Give Ainge credit, he's been able to turn them around in under two years. |
He was also able to get away with trading Pierce and (and to a lesser extent) KG. Their entire rebuild is a credit to this. By contrast, the Lakers never could've nor would have traded Kobe. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | giordan0 wrote: | Their set for the next 5-6 years with the youth and high lottery picks in their team (gee thanks Billy King). As much as I'd hate for them to win title 18, they have their foot in the door.
Give Ainge credit, he's been able to turn them around in under two years. |
He was also able to get away with trading Pierce and (and to a lesser extent) KG. Their entire rebuild is a credit to this. By contrast, the Lakers never could've nor would have traded Kobe. |
Yup. They ripped off the band-aid and plowed ahead. This FO has a tendency to look to the past too much IMO. |
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tox
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| ringfinger wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | giordan0 wrote: | Their set for the next 5-6 years with the youth and high lottery picks in their team (gee thanks Billy King). As much as I'd hate for them to win title 18, they have their foot in the door.
Give Ainge credit, he's been able to turn them around in under two years. |
He was also able to get away with trading Pierce and (and to a lesser extent) KG. Their entire rebuild is a credit to this. By contrast, the Lakers never could've nor would have traded Kobe. |
Yup. They ripped off the band-aid and plowed ahead. This FO has a tendency to look to the past too much IMO. |
I agree with the FO but I don't think that's the point pjiddy was making. Kobe means something different to LA than what KG/ Pierce meant to Boston. Yeah, it was bittersweet losing Pierce and KG, especially Pierce. But it's not really comparable to Kobe & LA. I don't think Ainge, in Kupchak's spot, would've traded Kobe in, say, 2011 or 2012 either. LA would have have him hanged (or at least run out of town) when Kobe had his #Vino season.
Kobe was such an all time great (and inspired so much devotion from fans in LA) that the Lakers couldn't feasibly have traded him like the C's traded Pierce and KG. It's an apples-to-oranges comparison. |
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| tox wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | giordan0 wrote: | Their set for the next 5-6 years with the youth and high lottery picks in their team (gee thanks Billy King). As much as I'd hate for them to win title 18, they have their foot in the door.
Give Ainge credit, he's been able to turn them around in under two years. |
He was also able to get away with trading Pierce and (and to a lesser extent) KG. Their entire rebuild is a credit to this. By contrast, the Lakers never could've nor would have traded Kobe. |
Yup. They ripped off the band-aid and plowed ahead. This FO has a tendency to look to the past too much IMO. |
I agree with the FO but I don't think that's the point pjiddy was making. Kobe means something different to LA than what KG/ Pierce meant to Boston. Yeah, it was bittersweet losing Pierce and KG, especially Pierce. But it's not really comparable to Kobe & LA. I don't think Ainge, in Kupchak's spot, would've traded Kobe in, say, 2011 or 2012 either. LA would have have him hanged (or at least run out of town) when Kobe had his #Vino season.
Kobe was such an all time great (and inspired so much devotion from fans in LA) that the Lakers couldn't feasibly have traded him like the C's traded Pierce and KG. It's an apples-to-oranges comparison. |
Both you and Pjiddy stated it well. with that said, here's to Boston not winning a championship in the foreseeable future.  |
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The Logo
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| Trading Kobe would've been akin to amnestying Kobe so we could appease Dwight to resigning here. Yeah, we could've done it if we really wanted to, but Mitch and Jim would most likely be found in a dead alley with their bodies being completely eviscerated. |
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Batguano
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If Ainge had a player like Kobe on the Celtics he wouldn't have traded him.
KG and Pierce are not Kobe.
Like Draymond said to Pierce this season, “Chasing that farewell tour, they don’t love you like that. You can’t get no farewell tour. They don’t love you like that … You thought you was Kobe.” |
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MickMgl
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| AFireInside619 wrote: |
Yes, Boston has some nice draft picks coming up, but it's not like we've been without high draft picks either. |
Big difference between being one of the league's best teams and accumulating great draft picks through smart management, like the Lakers of the late 70s and early 80s, and the current Celtics... vs being one of the league's biggest losers and having some of the high draft picks you earned (from losing) only because the league didn't allow you to trade ALL your draft picks each and every year.
Not the same thing. |
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MickMgl
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 2:18 am Post subject: Re: The Road..... |
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| omzzzzz wrote: | The Celtics path back to real contention:
Sign Gordon Hayward
Trade the Nets 2017 + Smart + Crowder for Jimmy Butler
The Lakers path back to contention:
Keep their 1st round pick & draft Lonzo
Trade Russell, Randle, and 2019 1st rd pick for Paul George
Sign Russell Westbrook in summer of 2018 |
Drafting Lonzo would be a huge step forward... which would be completely undermined by trading Russell and signing Westbrook.
Russell is probably playing out of position. Keep him and play him at off-guard next to Ball. Do not buy high on Westbrook. He will never be this good again. I don't hate him, but he's a terrible fit.
Do make Randle available, but that package for George is way too steep. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: The Road..... |
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| MickMgl wrote: | | omzzzzz wrote: | The Celtics path back to real contention:
Sign Gordon Hayward
Trade the Nets 2017 + Smart + Crowder for Jimmy Butler
The Lakers path back to contention:
Keep their 1st round pick & draft Lonzo
Trade Russell, Randle, and 2019 1st rd pick for Paul George
Sign Russell Westbrook in summer of 2018 |
Drafting Lonzo would be a huge step forward... which would be completely undermined by trading Russell and signing Westbrook.
Russell is probably playing out of position. Keep him and play him at off-guard next to Ball. Do not buy high on Westbrook. He will never be this good again. I don't hate him, but he's a terrible fit.
Do make Randle available, but that package for George is way too steep. |
Yep, draft Lonzo, move DLO to SG but let him play some PG when needed. Keep Clarkson and let him rotate with Lonzo and DLO. Sign PG13 as a FA and let him rotate with Ingram and Randle.
Keep your eye out for second FA and consider trading, lower first round pick along with either Randle or Clarkson for that improved body, if it exists. Maybe this would be a center, maybe a PF who can play strong defense, or even a defensive guard.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| The Logo wrote: | | Trading Kobe would've been akin to amnestying Kobe so we could appease Dwight to resigning here. Yeah, we could've done it if we really wanted to, but Mitch and Jim would most likely be found in a dead alley with their bodies being completely eviscerated. |
We couldn't have done it unless Kobe wanted to. His no trade clause said differently.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:24 am Post subject: |
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If Boston wins tomorrow they will be the number one seed in the east.
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| 32 wrote: | | If Boston wins tomorrow they will be the number one seed in the east. |
Who cares.
Buck Foston.
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tox
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | If Boston wins tomorrow they will be the number one seed in the east. |
Sub-.500 record against opposing EC playoff teams |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | If Boston wins tomorrow they will be the number one seed in the east. |
They still have absolutely no shot at the title. |
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| danzag wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | If Boston wins tomorrow they will be the number one seed in the east. |
They still have absolutely no shot at the title. |
Probably not this year but they are a hell of alot closer than we are.
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| 32 wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | If Boston wins tomorrow they will be the number one seed in the east. |
They still have absolutely no shot at the title. |
Probably not this year but they are a hell of alot closer than we are. |
I don't think so, it just seems like they are ahead of us because they are the first seed now. But in reality, if they were to build a contending team 5 years from now, none of the current roster except maybe JB would be a part of it.
The Nets are going to be the 7-12 seed in the east next year so there only chance of drafting a franchise altering player is this draft.
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| We are the 3rd worst team in the league, and they have a better record than the World Champs. It's hard to believe we were once in the same position TBH. This thread is painful. |
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Come on Laker fans. I know you are biased here but there is no way the Celtics and Lakers are in the same position because neither team will win the championship. That is like saying every team except Warriors, Spurs and Cavs is in the same position because they have little to no shot to win the championship. It's ridiculous.
I think the Celtics are doing a good job of contending now (one piece away) and building for the future with high draft picks.
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| Ziggy wrote: | I'm kind of tired of people comparing our FO with theirs. We DID attempt to retool with the CP3 trade. It would've kept us relevant and the competitive momentum would've moved us forward without having to go through this rebuild.
CP3 is highly respected among the players and surely would've drawn talent to the Lakers. Dwight would've been our version of Deandre, Kobe would've been able to play at peak form for longer (atleast offensively). That trade veto was the death of this franchise as we knew it. No CP3, Pau fell into depression, LO traded and hit the crack pipe, Dwight walks, Kobe tears achilles, Nash punks us. That was it. We had nothing left. We're starting from the bottom again like an expansion team. This is what decades of forward momentum looks like when it hits a brick wall.
Boston knew their time with the Big 3 was done. Ray Allen walked, KG was no longer an elite defensive anchor, which was what gave them their identity. It was an obvious time to move on. Enter this new billionaire owner setting Jim Buss-like expectations such as winning a championship within 5 years. It was a perfect storm for Boston, but it was a lucky opportunity that fell on their lap. It was clear they had to move on, but it was simply a matter of how much can they get. They got lucky, we didn't. |
Yes and no
They surely did a better job capitalizing on the departure of washed up HOF and found a small gem on free agency that had the desire to be a Laker, but just like us they couldn't find a franchise player in the draft, their best player is a way too small and don't have a positive impact on defense. The all star they landed is not one to lead a team to a championship. They did a better job than us for sure, but not a great job, just very good |
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