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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:05 pm    Post subject:

Kids these days don't want to be great. They just want instagram followers.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:14 pm    Post subject:

methdxman wrote:
Kids these days don't want to be great. They just want instagram followers.


Individual player development hasn't been the same since the late 90s and early 00s.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:17 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
methdxman wrote:
Kids these days don't want to be great. They just want instagram followers.


Individual player development hasn't been the same since the late 90s and early 00s.


I think players work harder now. The hard work model set by Kobe/Duncan/Lebron is more mainstream knowledge now - players really feel like they can be great if they work hard. You hear more players talk about working hard on draft night in interviews now than ever - they're charged up, really want to be great
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:33 pm    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
methdxman wrote:
Kids these days don't want to be great. They just want instagram followers.


Individual player development hasn't been the same since the late 90s and early 00s.


I think players work harder now. The hard work model set by Kobe/Duncan/Lebron is more mainstream knowledge now - players really feel like they can be great if they work hard. You hear more players talk about working hard on draft night in interviews now than ever - they're charged up, really want to be great


I think they understand it, but I don't hear about 5am commitment to practice before school, then practice afterward until 6pm or later like Bryant.

The skills difference by age has somewhat been declining, especially when there's so many 19/20 year old freshmen entering the NBA.

I think Derozan is the latest to show those results. I still remember the guy that disappeared and rarely hit midrange jumpers, and only had motor for finishing in transition, but had a hard time with straight line drives.

Even McGrady was more of a point forward with just a 15' J, and holy smokes did he transform into an elite scorer/jumpshooter.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:18 am    Post subject:

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Maybe if Ray Allen had worked as hard as Kobe he would have been somewhere near the level of a Kobe Bryant?


Maybe if Kobe could shoot like Ray Allen, he wouldn't have had to work as hard.


Kobe could shoot like Ray Allen, he didn't get spoon fed Ray Allen type shots because he had to take up a larger load. Now if Kobe decided to be a spot up shooter like Allen i'm sure his percentage would ring in pretty close to Allen, they would both make somewhere around every third three they shot, sometimes every second three. The difference is Kobe worked on a lot of other parts of his game as well, which is why it takes so many shots, because he shot from so many difference places on the floor.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:07 am    Post subject:

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Kobe could shoot like Ray Allen...




Your homer is showing.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:08 am    Post subject:

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Kobe could shoot like Ray Allen...




Your homer is showing.

what? nothing homer about that, it's a factual statement. For a large part of his career, ray allen just spotted up and shot threes off space created by his teammates. Kobe had to do it with guys draped over him and as also the primary scorer in all other facets. KObe had the record for threes back when he wasn't even a deadly shooter as later. Ray doesn't even though all he does is shoot threes. Just because ray allen is considered a 3pt specialist doesn't mean he's better at it than Kobe. It just means he's limited, that's what a specialist is, limited. Kobe is not considered a specialist because he's mastered all the shots. He shoots like ray allen, and he plays like MJ. there are some instances where you could see kobe playing the kind of role that ray allen did most of his career. stuff like the olympics, since there were already enough stars and firepower for kobe to just do specialist things. there's one game vs aus where kobe hit 4 threes in like 70 seconds.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:31 pm    Post subject:

SuperboyReformed wrote:
Big Game James wrote:
kobeandgary wrote:
Kobe could shoot like Ray Allen...




Your homer is showing.

what? nothing homer about that, it's a factual statement. For a large part of his career, ray allen just spotted up and shot threes off space created by his teammates. Kobe had to do it with guys draped over him and as also the primary scorer in all other facets. KObe had the record for threes back when he wasn't even a deadly shooter as later. Ray doesn't even though all he does is shoot threes. Just because ray allen is considered a 3pt specialist doesn't mean he's better at it than Kobe. It just means he's limited, that's what a specialist is, limited. Kobe is not considered a specialist because he's mastered all the shots. He shoots like ray allen, and he plays like MJ. there are some instances where you could see kobe playing the kind of role that ray allen did most of his career. stuff like the olympics, since there were already enough stars and firepower for kobe to just do specialist things. there's one game vs aus where kobe hit 4 threes in like 70 seconds.


There's a huge difference between a scorer and a shooter.

Kobe is a scorer.
Ray is a shooter.

Kobe can shoot.
Ray can score.

Kobe is not a shooter.
Ray is not a scorer.

Nobody will ever include Kobe into the discussion of greatest shooters, the likes of Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Stephen Curry, Larry Bird and Dirk Nowitzki (except homers).

Of course, nobody will every include any of those players into the list of greatest scorers like Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Allen Iverson.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:05 pm    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
methdxman wrote:
Kids these days don't want to be great. They just want instagram followers.


Individual player development hasn't been the same since the late 90s and early 00s.


I think players work harder now. The hard work model set by Kobe/Duncan/Lebron is more mainstream knowledge now - players really feel like they can be great if they work hard. You hear more players talk about working hard on draft night in interviews now than ever - they're charged up, really want to be great
They do have access to the regimen. and they may work harder than regular ball players that wont make it. but they are not ready for that repetition galore like 1500 shots in a day. and you have to do this every day all summer long. and still get up 600+ shots a day during the season to stay sharp.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:50 am    Post subject:

Big Game James wrote:
SuperboyReformed wrote:
Big Game James wrote:
kobeandgary wrote:
Kobe could shoot like Ray Allen...




Your homer is showing.

what? nothing homer about that, it's a factual statement. For a large part of his career, ray allen just spotted up and shot threes off space created by his teammates. Kobe had to do it with guys draped over him and as also the primary scorer in all other facets. KObe had the record for threes back when he wasn't even a deadly shooter as later. Ray doesn't even though all he does is shoot threes. Just because ray allen is considered a 3pt specialist doesn't mean he's better at it than Kobe. It just means he's limited, that's what a specialist is, limited. Kobe is not considered a specialist because he's mastered all the shots. He shoots like ray allen, and he plays like MJ. there are some instances where you could see kobe playing the kind of role that ray allen did most of his career. stuff like the olympics, since there were already enough stars and firepower for kobe to just do specialist things. there's one game vs aus where kobe hit 4 threes in like 70 seconds.


There's a huge difference between a scorer and a shooter.

Kobe is a scorer.
Ray is a shooter.

Kobe can shoot.
Ray can score.

Kobe is not a shooter.
Ray is not a scorer.

Nobody will ever include Kobe into the discussion of greatest shooters, the likes of Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Stephen Curry, Larry Bird and Dirk Nowitzki (except homers).

Of course, nobody will every include any of those players into the list of greatest scorers like Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Allen Iverson.


Wasn't Kobe shot pretty pure before his multiple wrist, finger, hand injuries? Most of his career happened after that, so your point still holds. I just remember a pretty sweet shot when he was young w a nice arc.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:11 pm    Post subject:

focus wrote:
Big Game James wrote:
SuperboyReformed wrote:
Big Game James wrote:
kobeandgary wrote:
Kobe could shoot like Ray Allen...




Your homer is showing.

what? nothing homer about that, it's a factual statement. For a large part of his career, ray allen just spotted up and shot threes off space created by his teammates. Kobe had to do it with guys draped over him and as also the primary scorer in all other facets. KObe had the record for threes back when he wasn't even a deadly shooter as later. Ray doesn't even though all he does is shoot threes. Just because ray allen is considered a 3pt specialist doesn't mean he's better at it than Kobe. It just means he's limited, that's what a specialist is, limited. Kobe is not considered a specialist because he's mastered all the shots. He shoots like ray allen, and he plays like MJ. there are some instances where you could see kobe playing the kind of role that ray allen did most of his career. stuff like the olympics, since there were already enough stars and firepower for kobe to just do specialist things. there's one game vs aus where kobe hit 4 threes in like 70 seconds.


There's a huge difference between a scorer and a shooter.

Kobe is a scorer.
Ray is a shooter.

Kobe can shoot.
Ray can score.

Kobe is not a shooter.
Ray is not a scorer.

Nobody will ever include Kobe into the discussion of greatest shooters, the likes of Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Stephen Curry, Larry Bird and Dirk Nowitzki (except homers).

Of course, nobody will every include any of those players into the list of greatest scorers like Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Allen Iverson.


Wasn't Kobe shot pretty pure before his multiple wrist, finger, hand injuries? Most of his career happened after that, so your point still holds. I just remember a pretty sweet shot when he was young w a nice arc.


Kobe has a nice shot, a great shot. He's just not in the elite shooter category. Def an elite scorer like Hames said.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:37 pm    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
focus wrote:
Big Game James wrote:
SuperboyReformed wrote:
Big Game James wrote:
kobeandgary wrote:
Kobe could shoot like Ray Allen...




Your homer is showing.

what? nothing homer about that, it's a factual statement. For a large part of his career, ray allen just spotted up and shot threes off space created by his teammates. Kobe had to do it with guys draped over him and as also the primary scorer in all other facets. KObe had the record for threes back when he wasn't even a deadly shooter as later. Ray doesn't even though all he does is shoot threes. Just because ray allen is considered a 3pt specialist doesn't mean he's better at it than Kobe. It just means he's limited, that's what a specialist is, limited. Kobe is not considered a specialist because he's mastered all the shots. He shoots like ray allen, and he plays like MJ. there are some instances where you could see kobe playing the kind of role that ray allen did most of his career. stuff like the olympics, since there were already enough stars and firepower for kobe to just do specialist things. there's one game vs aus where kobe hit 4 threes in like 70 seconds.


There's a huge difference between a scorer and a shooter.

Kobe is a scorer.
Ray is a shooter.

Kobe can shoot.
Ray can score.

Kobe is not a shooter.
Ray is not a scorer.

Nobody will ever include Kobe into the discussion of greatest shooters, the likes of Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Stephen Curry, Larry Bird and Dirk Nowitzki (except homers).

Of course, nobody will every include any of those players into the list of greatest scorers like Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Allen Iverson.


Wasn't Kobe shot pretty pure before his multiple wrist, finger, hand injuries? Most of his career happened after that, so your point still holds. I just remember a pretty sweet shot when he was young w a nice arc.


Kobe has a nice shot, a great shot. He's just not in the elite shooter category. Def an elite scorer like Hames said.

yea i've heard this shooter vs scorer distinction before. it's a nice way to describe it, but i really don't think it holds much weight in reality. You have to shoot to score. Not sure really what the distinction is. The main idea is obviously that guys like ray allen and dirk are better at something involving shooting the ball than kobe, which i would question. The reason why guys like them get labeled as shooters or 3pt specialists is because that's what they do the majority of the time, not because they are better at it than others. take ray allen and kobe and have them shoot 100 threes from the same spot. How many more do you think ray would make? i don't think that much more. he may even make less.


not an elite shooter is also laughable.
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