So people talk about Ingram's footwork limiting his scoring potential. Can anyone break down what they mean by that? Because I don't really get it.
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He has difficulty going from being on the move to being an immediate scoring threat, and has to gather himself, which allows the defense to recover. How often do you see him coming around a screen and go up with a quality jumper? He's very inefficient when pulling up off of the pick & roll as well.
IMO, you have to be able to do freakish athletic things to be a fantastic scorer without being able to do that. The question, which I can't answer with certainty either way, is how fixable that is.
I see. Yeah, that makes sense to me. Honest question -- we've seen the Dirk comparison. How often did Dirk do that kind of stuff?
I'm watching this video:
and honestly I don't many shots off of screens either? It's just length + shooting... though obviously Dirk's a GOAT shooter and that's a tough task for anyone to replicate.
This is the exact reason why Dirk has been my offensive archetype for him to follow since the summer. Other guys that he's compared to, like George, Durant, or even Kawhi had a fluidity at that age that he doesn't possess w/his footwork. Or Giannis, who's athleticism was more freakish for his size.
But what Ingram does have is triple threat/high post ability, hence the Dirk comparison. You're right, Dirk's probably the GOAT shooter amongst bigs (with a high degree of usage anyway), so it's gonna be hard for Ingram to replicate that, but it's possible. And at the very worst, it's the right developmental path to go down, and if he turns out to be 70% of what Dirk is you still have a damn good offensive player to go along w/his defensive potential.
GT, what about Garnett? Rebounding aside, I see some similarities in body style. I think what Ingram gives up as a rebounder he makes up for in playmaking and ability to play on ball from the perimeter.
Mike Bresnahan: Will Brandon Ingram be shut down the rest of the season? No, Walton said: As soon as he moves without pain, “we’ll get him back out there.” – via Twitter Mike_Bresnahan
Mike Bresnahan: Will Brandon Ingram be shut down the rest of the season? No, Walton said: As soon as he moves without pain, “we’ll get him back out there.” – via Twitter Mike_Bresnahan
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Hoping its true, I wanna see Ingram continue to improve.
Mike Bresnahan: Will Brandon Ingram be shut down the rest of the season? No, Walton said: As soon as he moves without pain, “we’ll get him back out there.” – via Twitter Mike_Bresnahan
Hopefully Luke will start watching his minutes now, he almost played Brandon into the ground. Looking forward to him getting back out there tho, the games have been less interesting without him. _________________ My Dream Starting 5 next Season
Mike Bresnahan: Will Brandon Ingram be shut down the rest of the season? No, Walton said: As soon as he moves without pain, “we’ll get him back out there.” – via Twitter Mike_Bresnahan
Hopefully Luke will start watching his minutes now, he almost played Brandon into the ground. Looking forward to him getting back out there tho, the games have been less interesting without him.
Lose, lose situation. You have people crying about how the young guys don't play enough, then you have guys saying they are being run into the ground.
Once again, I'm confused? Can't please everyone I guess?
Mike Bresnahan: Will Brandon Ingram be shut down the rest of the season? No, Walton said: As soon as he moves without pain, “we’ll get him back out there.” – via Twitter Mike_Bresnahan
Hopefully Luke will start watching his minutes now, he almost played Brandon into the ground. Looking forward to him getting back out there tho, the games have been less interesting without him.
Lose, lose situation. You have people crying about how the young guys don't play enough, then you have guys saying they are being run into the ground.
Once again, I'm confused? Can't please everyone I guess?
Mike Bresnahan: Will Brandon Ingram be shut down the rest of the season? No, Walton said: As soon as he moves without pain, “we’ll get him back out there.” – via Twitter Mike_Bresnahan
Hopefully Luke will start watching his minutes now, he almost played Brandon into the ground. Looking forward to him getting back out there tho, the games have been less interesting without him.
Lose, lose situation. You have people crying about how the young guys don't play enough, then you have guys saying they are being run into the ground.
Once again, I'm confused? Can't please everyone I guess?
Nothing to be confused about. It's possible to play the kid without running him into the ground. Brandon under no circumstances should be playing over 35 mins in an NBA game, it accomplishes nothing. _________________ My Dream Starting 5 next Season
GT I'm just curious, what did you think of Bynum's progression from year 1 to say..year 3? Just in general and in terms of anything he developed that maybe you didn't expect or see in the beginning. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
I think we played him a bit too much this season. 36mpg the last 10 games. I think it's just wearing his body down. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
So people talk about Ingram's footwork limiting his scoring potential. Can anyone break down what they mean by that? Because I don't really get it.
Paging GT...
He has difficulty going from being on the move to being an immediate scoring threat, and has to gather himself, which allows the defense to recover. How often do you see him coming around a screen and go up with a quality jumper? He's very inefficient when pulling up off of the pick & roll as well.
IMO, you have to be able to do freakish athletic things to be a fantastic scorer without being able to do that. The question, which I can't answer with certainty either way, is how fixable that is.
I see. Yeah, that makes sense to me. Honest question -- we've seen the Dirk comparison. How often did Dirk do that kind of stuff?
I'm watching this video:
and honestly I don't many shots off of screens either? It's just length + shooting... though obviously Dirk's a GOAT shooter and that's a tough task for anyone to replicate.
This is the exact reason why Dirk has been my offensive archetype for him to follow since the summer. Other guys that he's compared to, like George, Durant, or even Kawhi had a fluidity at that age that he doesn't possess w/his footwork. Or Giannis, who's athleticism was more freakish for his size.
But what Ingram does have is triple threat/high post ability, hence the Dirk comparison. You're right, Dirk's probably the GOAT shooter amongst bigs (with a high degree of usage anyway), so it's gonna be hard for Ingram to replicate that, but it's possible. And at the very worst, it's the right developmental path to go down, and if he turns out to be 70% of what Dirk is you still have a damn good offensive player to go along w/his defensive potential.
GT, what about Garnett? Rebounding aside, I see some similarities in body style. I think what Ingram gives up as a rebounder he makes up for in playmaking and ability to play on ball from the perimeter.
KG was an athletic freak like Giannis, just played more inside like all bigs back then. I hope Ingram can be like KG but I don't see it, maybe a smoother less athletic lengky tall guy (Iceman?)
I think we played him a bit too much this season. 36mpg the last 10 games. I think it's just wearing his body down.
Going from NCAA to leading an NBA team in minutes played will tend to take a toll.
Especially with all the changes to his body trying to put on muscle/weight. No need to break him at this point. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
GT, what about Garnett? Rebounding aside, I see some similarities in body style. I think what Ingram gives up as a rebounder he makes up for in playmaking and ability to play on ball from the perimeter.
GT I'm just curious, what did you think of Bynum's progression from year 1 to say..year 3? Just in general and in terms of anything he developed that maybe you didn't expect or see in the beginning.
IIRC, Bynum is the youngest player to ever appear in a game, so he was incredibly raw. I remember his footwork and balance had improved by quite a bit, but that was a while back and I don't remember that exact time frame all that well.
So people talk about Ingram's footwork limiting his scoring potential. Can anyone break down what they mean by that? Because I don't really get it.
Paging GT...
He has difficulty going from being on the move to being an immediate scoring threat, and has to gather himself, which allows the defense to recover. How often do you see him coming around a screen and go up with a quality jumper? He's very inefficient when pulling up off of the pick & roll as well.
IMO, you have to be able to do freakish athletic things to be a fantastic scorer without being able to do that. The question, which I can't answer with certainty either way, is how fixable that is.
I see. Yeah, that makes sense to me. Honest question -- we've seen the Dirk comparison. How often did Dirk do that kind of stuff?
I'm watching this video:
and honestly I don't many shots off of screens either? It's just length + shooting... though obviously Dirk's a GOAT shooter and that's a tough task for anyone to replicate.
This is the exact reason why Dirk has been my offensive archetype for him to follow since the summer. Other guys that he's compared to, like George, Durant, or even Kawhi had a fluidity at that age that he doesn't possess w/his footwork. Or Giannis, who's athleticism was more freakish for his size.
But what Ingram does have is triple threat/high post ability, hence the Dirk comparison. You're right, Dirk's probably the GOAT shooter amongst bigs (with a high degree of usage anyway), so it's gonna be hard for Ingram to replicate that, but it's possible. And at the very worst, it's the right developmental path to go down, and if he turns out to be 70% of what Dirk is you still have a damn good offensive player to go along w/his defensive potential.
GT, what about Garnett? Rebounding aside, I see some similarities in body style. I think what Ingram gives up as a rebounder he makes up for in playmaking and ability to play on ball from the perimeter.
KG was an athletic freak like Giannis, just played more inside like all bigs back then. I hope Ingram can be like KG but I don't see it, maybe a smoother less athletic lengky tall guy (Iceman?)
To see KG & Ingram's name in the same breath shows how differently we perceive things. To me, Ingram and KG have absolutely nothing in common except the obvious things: tall, multi-talented, etc.., KG is one of the all time greats, and someone I always dreamed would don a Laker uniform.
Gervin would definitely be a much closer comparison. Long, crafty, handles the rock, a match up nightmare.
GT, what about Garnett? Rebounding aside, I see some similarities in body style. I think what Ingram gives up as a rebounder he makes up for in playmaking and ability to play on ball from the perimeter.
I think KG was a significantly better athlete.
Yeah KG was an elite athlete. He was skinny but still much stronger than Ingram even as a rookie.
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"KG was an athletic freak like Giannis, just played more inside like all bigs back then. I hope Ingram can be like KG but I don't see it, maybe a smoother less athletic lengky tall guy (Iceman?)"
Man everyone sleeps on BI's athleticism. The kid is very athletic. I hate seeing this misinformation spread around here like that. _________________ R.I.P. Doc Buss
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