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ContagiousInspiration
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Aeneas Hunter
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| LakesGnrLake wrote: | John Podesta, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s 2016 national campaign chairman, may have violated federal law by failing to disclose the receipt of 75,000 shares of stock from a Kremlin-financed company when he joined the Obama White House in 2014, according to the Daily Caller News Foundation’s Investigative Group.
Joule Unlimited Technologies — financed in part by a Russian firm — originally awarded Podesta 100,000 shares of stock options when in 2010 he joined that board along with its Dutch-based entities: Joule Global Holdings, BV and the Stichting Joule Global Foundation. |
Is this how desperate you're getting? It's not a Russian company. It is based in Massachusetts. It apparently was financed "in part" by a Russian firm, whatever that means. All of this came out, and was discussed in the media, prior to the election.
http://www.biofuelsdigest.com/bdigest/2016/10/25/podesta-putin-trump-gingrich-and-joule-wikileaks-and-the-inside-true-story/
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | LakesGnrLake wrote: | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-22/bombshell-cia-whistleblower-leaked-proof-trump-under-systematic-illegal-government-s
This is why everything is being stopped and no more hearings are being held. Ill give you a hint. It's not because Trump caught with his pants down. Take the time to read it. This guy has been trying to get |
What, Alex Jones didn't cover that one?
Yes, we've heard of Dennis Montgomery before. |
Good job pointing this out.
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| LakesGnrLake wrote: | John Podesta, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s 2016 national campaign chairman, may have violated federal law by failing to disclose the receipt of 75,000 shares of stock from a Kremlin-financed company when he joined the Obama White House in 2014, according to the Daily Caller News Foundation’s Investigative Group.
Joule Unlimited Technologies — financed in part by a Russian firm — originally awarded Podesta 100,000 shares of stock options when in 2010 he joined that board along with its Dutch-based entities: Joule Global Holdings, BV and the Stichting Joule Global Foundation.
When Podesta announced his departure from the Joule board in January 2014 to become President Obama’s special counsellor, the company officially issued him 75,000 common shares of stock.
The Schedule B section of the federal government’s form 278 which — requires financial disclosures for government officials — required Podesta to “report any purchase, sale or exchange by you, your spouse, or dependent children…of any property, stocks, bonds, commodity futures and other securities when the amount of the transaction exceeded $1,000.”
Podesta’s form 278 Schedule B is blank regarding his receipt of any stock from any company.
Liberals and conservatives alike tell TheDCNF Podesta should have disclosed the stock.
“Well Podesta should certainly have been more upfront in filling this out. Clearly, it should have been fully disclosed,” said Craig Holman, a lobbyist for the liberal group Public Citizen which was founded by Ralph Nader. “That’s the point of the personal financial disclosure forms, especially for anyone entering the White House,” he told TheDCNF in an interview.
“If the transfer of stock took place, it had to be disclosed,” added former U.S. Attorney Joseph DiGenova in an interview. “If he didn’t, clearly it’s a violation.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/26/exclusive-john-podesta-may-have-violated-federal-law-by-not-disclosing-75000-stock-shares/#ixzz4ckEQFPLA
RUSSIA CONNECTION!! IMPEACH!! GAHH!! Oh you dont care if its not trump...accuse your opponent of being guilty for a crime you are committing... |
It's time to pack it in, pizzagate.
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Even if you believed this Podesta nonsense, there would have been no quid pro quo. Obama levied sanctions against Russia and Hillary supported those as Secretary of State. Putin hates her.
Doing business with Russia absent anything else is not a crime (unless a specific sanction or law is being violated). The possible crimes in this case, if you've been keeping up with the cast of thousands: conspiring with a foreign government to influence the outcome of the U.S. election; possibly conspiring for a quid pro quo - you help Trump get elected, we'll lift sanctions; possible illegal Russian money funding the Trump campaign; suspicious banking activities between Trump campaign and Russian banks; possible money laundering. There's a possible illegal kidnapping plot. There are clandestine meetings with Russian officials/spies by multiple Trump campaign staff including his son-in-law. And there's more than this. A lot more.
Nepotism, mixing Trump organization business with U.S. government business in order to personally profit. Steering foreign business to Trump properties. On and on and on. |
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Today's Gallup poll: Disapprove 59% Approve 35%
Link to chart
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I mean theres no way Trump wins in 2020, right? |
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| Freddie Buckets wrote: |
I mean theres no way Trump wins in 2020, right? |
Depends on a lot of things: who the Dems run, how the economy is doing, etc.
| Quote: | Party Mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections.
Contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination.
Incumbency: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president.
Third party: There is no significant third party or independent campaign.
Short-term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election campaign.
Long-term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms.
Policy change: The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy.
Social unrest: There is no sustained social unrest during the term.
Scandal: The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal.
Foreign/military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs.
Foreign/military success: The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs.
Incumbent charisma: The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a national hero.
Challenger charisma: The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero.
The keys are 13 true/false questions, where an answer of "true" always favors the reelection of the party holding the White House, in this case the Democrats. And the keys are phrased to reflect the basic theory that elections are primarily judgments on the performance of the party holding the White House. And if six or more of the 13 keys are false — that is, they go against the party in power — they lose. If fewer than six are false, the party in power gets four more years.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/23/trump-is-headed-for-a-win-says-professor-whos-predicted-30-years-of-presidential-outcomes-correctly/ |
Six of those generally have to be false. Scandals alone won't sink Trump. |
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Actually, he missed it this time and in 2000. Gore and HRC won the popular vote. Dub and Trump won the election due to the quirks of the electoral college. Unless this guy really thinks that his questions determine electoral distribution (which would be absurd), he's just patting himself on the back. |
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As has been said before, those numbers are completely meaningless until the DIS-approval numbers start to reflect Trump supporters actually shifting from that support.
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| Freddie Buckets wrote: |
I mean theres no way Trump wins in 2020, right? |
He doesn't as long as the Left doesn't continue their infighting. Sadly, I think the Left is more fractured than the Right at this point and there are a bunch of "Progressives" who would love to burn the house down Bannon style just so they could grasp some tiny straw to gloat over in regards to Bernie and how things would be different if everyone had just voted for him.
The biggest threat to this nation's future is not how the Presidential vote goes at that point, it's what we all do in the interim to minimize the damage.
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PPP Poll:
Do you think that members of Trump's campaign team worked with the Russians to help Trump win the election?
44% Yes
42% No
14% Not sure
If there's evidence that Trump's campaign worked in association with the Russians, should Trump resign?
53% Yes
39% No
8% Not sure
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| No surprise, tribalism on display. |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | He doesn't as long as the Left doesn't continue their infighting. Sadly, I think the Left is more fractured than the Right at this point and there are a bunch of "Progressives" who would love to burn the house down Bannon style just so they could grasp some tiny straw to gloat over in regards to Bernie and how things would be different if everyone had just voted for him.
The biggest threat to this nation's future is not how the Presidential vote goes at that point, it's what we all do in the interim to minimize the damage. |
Once the democratic chair was chosen, I haven't heard much about infighting within the Democratic party. Seems to me that Trump has unified the party in a lot of ways... and it feels like the party, as a whole, is slowly being pushed farther left by the base. Trump has been so controversial and bad that going far to the left, even as far as some think Bernie has, doesn't look that bad by comparison. Trump has given the Democratic party the cover it needs to get back to its progressive roots.
While I know some (like AH) will completely disagree with this, I think that if the left is smart, they run from the middle and go left because come 2018 or 2020, people will be so desperate to get away from Trump and/or the GOP that they will accept almost anything the Dems offer since, again, even a true leftist agenda will seem sane and reasonable by comparison.
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| Quote: | Senators vow cooperation on Russia amid House furor
The leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee on Wednesday sought to distance their investigation of Russia’s interference in the election from the partisan brawl that is consuming the House.
While House Intelligence Committee members say their probe has ground to a halt, Sens. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) and Mark Warner (D-Va.) told reporters together that their committee is making steady progress and is "within weeks" of completing an initial review of key documents.
"We're not asking the House to play in any role in our investigation and we don’t plan to play any role in their investigation," Burr said.
Intelligence Committee staffers are being given access to an “unprecedented” number of documents, Burr added. Seven staff members have been allocated to the Russia investigation, compared to three for the panel’s review of the terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/326381-senate-intel-panel-within-weeks-of-completing-initial-review-in |
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USA Today: Trump's business network reached alleged Russian mobsters
| Quote: | To expand his real estate developments over the years, Donald Trump, his company and partners repeatedly turned to wealthy Russians and oligarchs from former Soviet republics — several allegedly connected to organized crime, according to a USA TODAY review of court cases, government and legal documents and an interview with a former federal prosecutor.
The president and his companies have been linked to at least 10 wealthy former Soviet businessmen with alleged ties to criminal organizations or money laundering. |
| Quote: | Trump told reporters in February: "I have no dealings with Russia. I have no deals that could happen in Russia, because we’ve stayed away. And I have no loans with Russia. I have no loans with Russia at all."
Yet in 2013, after Trump addressed potential investors in Moscow, he bragged to Real Estate Weekly about his access to Russia's rich and powerful. “I have a great relationship with many Russians, and almost all of the oligarchs were in the room,” Trump said, referring to Russians who made fortunes when former Soviet state enterprises were sold to private investors.. |
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| Quote: | Donald J. Trump
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The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire Republican agenda if they don't get on the team, & fast. We must fight them, & Dems, in 2018!
6:07 AM - 30 Mar 2017 |
Interesting. |
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| Quote: | In an interview with "CBS This Morning" that will air on Thursday, Ryan said he fears the Republican Party, which failed last week to come together and agree on a healthcare overhaul, is pushing the president to the other side of the aisle so he can make good on campaign promises to redo Obamacare.
"I don't want that to happen," Ryan said, referring to Trump's offer to work with Democrats.
Carrying out those reforms with Democrats is "hardly a conservative thing," Ryan said, according to interview excerpts released on Wednesday. "I don’t want government running health care. The government shouldn’t tell you what you must do with your life, with your healthcare," he said |
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-obamacare-idUSKBN17105S
Good cop, bad cop? |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Quote: | Donald J. Trump
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The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire Republican agenda if they don't get on the team, & fast. We must fight them, & Dems, in 2018!
6:07 AM - 30 Mar 2017 |
Interesting. |
Trump and Freedom caucus share the same base... interesting indeed. Which way they gonna go |
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| Quote: | The Trump administration is seeking mainly limited changes to the North American Free Trade Agreement with Mexico and Canada, the Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday, citing an administrative draft proposal circulated in Congress by the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative.
Under the changes, proposed after President Donald Trump called the pact a "disaster" during the election campaign, Washington would keep some of NAFTA's most controversial provisions, including arbitration panels that let investors in the three nations circumvent local courts to resolve civil claims, the Journal said.
Some critics say these entities infringe on national sovereignty.
The draft proposal, reviewed by the newspaper, seeks to improve these bodies' procedures to resolve disputes.
One potential major change, however, is a recommendation to allow a NAFTA nation to reinstate tariffs in case a flood of imports causes “serious injury or threat of serious injury” to domestic industries, the Journal reported.
Another draft objective says the administration wants “to establish rules that require government procurement to be conducted in a manner that is consistent with U.S. law and the administration’s policy on domestic procurement preferences,” the paper reported. |
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-nafta-idUSKBN1711X6 |
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I don't know how accurtate polls are after what we learned in the election results.
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All I see is Helter-Skelter. There is no consistent governing principle here.
The only consistent motivating principle for Trump is enriching Trump.
What doesn't interest him gets outsourced to Ryan and Pence who take things as far right as possible.
Then you have the Bannon influence, which IS Helter-Skelter chaos, break down any institution you can wherever you can. Sometimes Ryan & the Crazy Caucus are a help to this and sometimes they are a hindrance to this.
Then you have a daughter and son-in-law (and the other kids) who are trying to monetize their connections to government first and foremost.
Whatever this is, it's not Democracy. |
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| 32 wrote: | | I don't know how accurate polls are after what we learned in the election results. |
The national polling numbers were accurate (HRC beat Trump by 2%). However, it didn't account for last minute small shifts in a few swing states where Comey letter (and Russian trolls exacerbating the issue) swung a few thousand people in 3 states and flipped the election.
"With the presidential election results now certified in all 50 states and Washington, D.C., Hillary Clinton won a total of 65,844,610 votes ― 48.2 percent ― compared with Trump’s 62,979,636 votes ― 46.1 percent" |
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| 32 wrote: | | I don't know how accurtate polls are after what we learned in the election results. |
It varies. The Gallup poll is not terribly accurate, but the trend lines are still significant. |
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| 32 wrote: | | I don't know how accurtate polls are after what we learned in the election results. |
People keep saying that. RCP, with simple averaging (11/2-11/7), had Hillary at 3.3 points. Hillary won by 2.1 points. Also, the only three polls that covered from 11/4 (one only to 11/6 and two to 11/7), had Trump +2, Hillary +4, and Hillary+3 for a 1.7 average for her--or very accurate indeed. These last polls were likely showing how the race was tightening thanks to Comey and Putin.
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