Will Joe Johnson make the Hall of Fame?

 
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Will Joe Johnson be a Hall of Famer?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:17 pm    Post subject: Will Joe Johnson make the Hall of Fame?

I don't think he deserves it, but I hope he does based on his dagger against the Clippers tonight.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:50 pm    Post subject:

He's marginal, but he did make seven all-star games.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:46 am    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
He's marginal, but he did make seven all-star games.


Who would be his equivalent for someone already in the HOF?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:06 am    Post subject:

He's borderline. I wouldn't vote for him, but wouldn't be shocked or upset if he did.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:45 am    Post subject:

He made one All NBA 3rd team.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:35 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
He's marginal, but he did make seven all-star games.


Who would be his equivalent for someone already in the HOF?


I'd really have to think about that. Maybe Chris Mullin or Mitch Richmond.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:47 pm    Post subject:

Who?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:10 pm    Post subject:

I think he has a case based on longevity and ability. His tenure as the #1 option on the Hawks for all those years was respectable, and he was always in the conversation regarding "best SG" arguments even though he himself never actually was the best SG.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:09 am    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
governator wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
He's marginal, but he did make seven all-star games.


Who would be his equivalent for someone already in the HOF?


I'd really have to think about that. Maybe Chris Mullin or Mitch Richmond.


That's pretty good comp. I guess if they made it
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:14 am    Post subject:

I don't think his highs were high enough -- only one 3rd all NBA team and only top 10 in scoring once. But then I never understood why he made so many all star teams.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:06 am    Post subject:

If Tom Chambers didn't have the credentials to make it in, I don't think Joe has them, either...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:27 pm    Post subject:

He was awesome with the Suns.... If T-Mac can make the HOF then so can JJ.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:37 am    Post subject:

EldenCampbell wrote:
If Tom Chambers didn't have the credentials to make it in, I don't think Joe has them, either...


Nasty dunk tho
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:50 am    Post subject:

A random passing thought on the whole HoF issue:

If the NBA decided to create its own Hall of Fame, and if the NBA appointed me to be the Czar to get it done, I would immediately induct the top 50 from the 50th anniversary list and instruct the voters that those players are the standard for the Hall of Fame. The lower limit would be someone like Dave Bing or Bill Walton, not Calvin Murphy. We wouldn't even be discussing Joe Johnson or Chris Bosh.

But in the real world, it's not an NBA Hall of Fame, and the lower limit has been shot to hell.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:31 am    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
A random passing thought on the whole HoF issue:

If the NBA decided to create its own Hall of Fame, and if the NBA appointed me to be the Czar to get it done, I would immediately induct the top 50 from the 50th anniversary list and instruct the voters that those players are the standard for the Hall of Fame. The lower limit would be someone like Dave Bing or Bill Walton, not Calvin Murphy. We wouldn't even be discussing Joe Johnson or Chris Bosh.

But in the real world, it's not an NBA Hall of Fame, and the lower limit has been shot to hell.


So anyone in the Hall in 1996 who didn't make the top 50 team would be excluded, since by definition they didn't make the cut: Dave DeBusschere, Bob Lanier, Bob McAdoo, Calvin Murphy, Gail Goodrich, Alex English, and David Thompson would be the group of guys not quite good enough to be in the Hall. That's reasonable to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:37 pm    Post subject:

Right. They'd still be in the Basketball Hall of Fame, just not in the NBA Hall of Fame. The original 50 would be the standard for the NBA Hall. They would be the comparators. As hypothetical Hall Czar, I'd be tempted to put a numerical limit on the size of the Hall -- one member maximum for every year of the league. There could be a maximum of 70 today. The problem is that the original 50 included guys who were still playing, like Jordan and Pippen. I don't think there have been another 20 since then. That sort of limit would need to be phased in, because the voters might take it as a mandate to fill the Hall to capacity right away.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:24 pm    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
Right. They'd still be in the Basketball Hall of Fame, just not in the NBA Hall of Fame. The original 50 would be the standard for the NBA Hall. They would be the comparators. As hypothetical Hall Czar, I'd be tempted to put a numerical limit on the size of the Hall -- one member maximum for every year of the league. There could be a maximum of 70 today. The problem is that the original 50 included guys who were still playing, like Jordan and Pippen. I don't think there have been another 20 since then. That sort of limit would need to be phased in, because the voters might take it as a mandate to fill the Hall to capacity right away.


Hard to come up with 20 retired guys ...

Kobe
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Shaq
Hakeem
Gary Payton
Allen Iverson
Jason Kidd
Paul Pierce
Steve Nash
Ray Allen
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:05 am    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
Right. They'd still be in the Basketball Hall of Fame, just not in the NBA Hall of Fame. The original 50 would be the standard for the NBA Hall. They would be the comparators. As hypothetical Hall Czar, I'd be tempted to put a numerical limit on the size of the Hall -- one member maximum for every year of the league. There could be a maximum of 70 today. The problem is that the original 50 included guys who were still playing, like Jordan and Pippen. I don't think there have been another 20 since then. That sort of limit would need to be phased in, because the voters might take it as a mandate to fill the Hall to capacity right away.


Hard to come up with 20 retired guys ...

Kobe
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Shaq
Hakeem
Gary Payton
Allen Iverson
Jason Kidd
Paul Pierce
Steve Nash
Ray Allen


I like the idea a lot. I'd hope the Czar would leave out Ray Allen, and possibly Nash, but wouldn't be too feisty fighting about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:18 pm    Post subject:

focus wrote:
activeverb wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
Right. They'd still be in the Basketball Hall of Fame, just not in the NBA Hall of Fame. The original 50 would be the standard for the NBA Hall. They would be the comparators. As hypothetical Hall Czar, I'd be tempted to put a numerical limit on the size of the Hall -- one member maximum for every year of the league. There could be a maximum of 70 today. The problem is that the original 50 included guys who were still playing, like Jordan and Pippen. I don't think there have been another 20 since then. That sort of limit would need to be phased in, because the voters might take it as a mandate to fill the Hall to capacity right away.


Hard to come up with 20 retired guys ...

Kobe
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Shaq
Hakeem
Gary Payton
Allen Iverson
Jason Kidd
Paul Pierce
Steve Nash
Ray Allen


I like the idea a lot. I'd hope the Czar would leave out Ray Allen, and possibly Nash, but wouldn't be too feisty fighting about it.


Practically speaking, I doubt there ever will be an NBA Hall of Fame. It would be too hard for anyone to start one and gain traction. The NBA itself doesn't have any incentive for supporting a second Hall of Fame, and the issue of guys making one Hall but not the other would just be a PR irritant that wouldn't add much value to the NBA. It would be similar to the player's union awards.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:24 pm    Post subject:

Right. It was just a thought exercise, since Hall of Fame standards are a common topic in this forum.
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