Besides December his 3pt% doesn't look bad. Ironically that's when we started struggling after our hot start.
in terms of FT, my conclusion is he started off well and then, for combination of reasons, Rookie wall, confidence, team struggles, shot form, inconsistencies. It declined.
Also if you look he never has a game that's for example 0 -7 from the ft line or even 0-5...Its more common you see 2-3 - 2-4...Which IMO is due in some part to confidence and nerve...You are right there might be things he needs to make more consistent in his form. But to say it needs a complete overhaul, a lot of work, or is broken is not accurate.
If this continues halfway through next season then I think we can start to question.
He definitely changed the shot in March and April, so let's hope he keeps building on that. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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Besides December his 3pt% doesn't look bad. Ironically that's when we started struggling after our hot start.
in terms of FT, my conclusion is he started off well and then, for combination of reasons, Rookie wall, confidence, team struggles, shot form, inconsistencies. It declined.
Also if you look he never has a game that's for example 0 -7 from the ft line or even 0-5...Its more common you see 2-3 - 2-4...Which IMO is due in some part to confidence and nerve...You are right there might be things he needs to make more consistent in his form. But to say it needs a complete overhaul, a lot of work, or is broken is not accurate.
If this continues halfway through next season then I think we can start to question.
It will get better. Not worried about his shooting because he can work hard for that. I'm more concerned on how he bulk up without losing much speed. And injuries especially major injuries.
And you are probably right he can work on some areas to fix his form so can many other players. But when you say he has a lot of things to do to fix his form, it makes it sound like its completely broken which IMO its not.
But I think most of his bad % is attributed to just being young.
I expect him to be around 32-33% on 3's next season with around 75% ft
His knees lock before his elbow which locks before his wrist flick on his FTs, and that's before looking at things like his hand positioning on the ball and other things that are hard to see on TV.
He wasn't a 62% FT shooter after being a 68% FT shooter at Duke because he's young, nor was he a sub-30% 3pt shooter for that reason either. He's hardly the first young guy to play in the NBA. There have been 45 seasons of players his age and younger, and his FT% ranks 40th amongst them. Of the guys his age and younger who've shot at least 50 3PAs, he ranks 25th out of 37.
How's that even possible? His elbow locks before he snaps his wrist? Even grade schoolers instinctually synchronize those, no?
And you are probably right he can work on some areas to fix his form so can many other players. But when you say he has a lot of things to do to fix his form, it makes it sound like its completely broken which IMO its not.
But I think most of his bad % is attributed to just being young.
I expect him to be around 32-33% on 3's next season with around 75% ft
His knees lock before his elbow which locks before his wrist flick on his FTs, and that's before looking at things like his hand positioning on the ball and other things that are hard to see on TV.
He wasn't a 62% FT shooter after being a 68% FT shooter at Duke because he's young, nor was he a sub-30% 3pt shooter for that reason either. He's hardly the first young guy to play in the NBA. There have been 45 seasons of players his age and younger, and his FT% ranks 40th amongst them. Of the guys his age and younger who've shot at least 50 3PAs, he ranks 25th out of 37.
How's that even possible? His elbow locks before he snaps his wrist? Even grade schoolers instinctually synchronize those, no?
That's how you know it's an unnatural shot pocket. It is natural to have those things synched.
Either in length/duration of the shot pocket or height, it's unnatural.
If you try having a really quick/concise shot pocket, you're going to try to Aim the ball instead of Shoot it - a naturally elongated motion takes care of the aim.
You should go from point A(cocked in the beginning of the shot pocket) to point B(arm extended ball begins in the air) without mentally/forcefully aiming at the hoop(point C) ---- point A to B should take care of that very naturally. But when you have an overly concise shot pocket, it doesn't - and you try to aim after the fact
Questions/teaching is great because you learn things on the fly. I knew his shot pocket was overly concise since he changed his stroke(like trying to be Klay Thompson), and now I just realized that makes you over-aim. Natural aim occurs in a long enough stroke. And I'm not advocating super long strokes here, just naturally long. Too long of a stroke can also cause over-aiming, maybe that's easier to visualize for ya'll.
Food for thought on this: Boogie and Paul George talking about how his long arms dictate his shooting stroke, and KD's shooting stroke
Ingram's stroke is too concise for his long arms. And this is actually a result of the change he made to his stroke midway through the year. He raised his shot-pocket, therefor shortening the length of the shot pocket
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The Magic shooting coach. I agree with this. Shot pocket>>>footwork etc
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The Magic shooting coach. I agree with this. Shot pocket>>>footwork etc
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The Magic shooting coach. I agree with this. Shot pocket>>>footwork etc
Maybe you shoulda left that part out.
His premise is correct, but he believed too strongly in 'fixed/set points' in the shot pocket, which made for too concise of a shooting stroke for Aaron Gordon, the shot pocket is where you get rhythm and aim - it can't be overly concise.
Very end of the year Aaron Gordon started shooting more one motion, without the fixed point, and he started shooting better. Last 15 games
He helped Olidipo and Vucevic, but he can't fix everyone. Just like the Spurs shooting coach can't fix Kyle Anderson.. 37% but only 15 makes on the year, he's not really permitted to shoot them. I hate the stroke that he's taught Anderson. The 90degree elbow crap. Jonathan Simmons can't shoot either
I also should have left that part out, but I can't help it with the couple things I think I'm good at.
We both criticize coaches
Kobe had that "pliability" and agility in air/through contact.
Ingram looks like he's been bludgeoned anytime he receives that upperbody contact. The elegance isn't exactly there though he has unbelievable measurements with his reach/wingspan. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Kobe had that "pliability" and agility in air/through contact.
Ingram looks like he's been bludgeoned anytime he receives that upperbody contact. The elegance isn't exactly there though he has unbelievable measurements with his reach/wingspan.
On the bright side, 2 years from now when he's an all-star, every time someone even thinks about touching him it's gonna be a foul cause he looks like he gets hit by a truck every time he gets hit
how long until the first exaggerated report of Ingram putting on 20LBS this offseason comes out? _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe
Kobe had that "pliability" and agility in air/through contact.
Ingram looks like he's been bludgeoned anytime he receives that upperbody contact. The elegance isn't exactly there though he has unbelievable measurements with his reach/wingspan.
On the bright side, 2 years from now when he's an all-star, every time someone even thinks about touching him it's gonna be a foul cause he looks like he gets hit by a truck every time he gets hit
Yeah. Looks like a head shot/two MACK trucks colliding into each other at 70 mpg when he takes contact on a drive. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
this kid will eventually be better than paul George
Agreed.
Key word....eventually. (and maybe).
Taking into account all his shortcomings are fixable I'd say he is our young piece with the better shot to be a player of PG caliber one day.
Because of a little over a month's work? I'd say we need to see much more before we can say that. This summer is crucial. Has some mechanics he needs to fix let alone his body. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
this kid will eventually be better than paul George
Agreed.
Key word....eventually. (and maybe).
Taking into account all his shortcomings are fixable I'd say he is our young piece with the better shot to be a player of PG caliber one day.
Only thing that concerns me with him is his shooting. By the numbers he's a faaaar way off (except on midrange) and it seems the shooting experts here aren't too enamored with his stroke.
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