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1hu2ren3dui4 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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It was the right move. Just seems like they could have gotten a better pick for him from another contending team. Pretty much plug and play given he knows the 6th man role.
It's unfortunate that they couldn't swing a similar deal for swaggy |
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:39 am Post subject: |
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1hu2ren3dui4 wrote: | It was the right move. Just seems like they could have gotten a better pick for him from another contending team. Pretty much plug and play given he knows the 6th man role.
It's unfortunate that they couldn't swing a similar deal for swaggy |
There was a better pick from a contending team? |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Lou is an unnecessary luxury on a rebuilding team. Like having a solid gold toilet while you live in a slum. Should you sell that toilet and maybe move out, or do you continue enjoying the toilet but living in squalor? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Dr. Laker Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:39 am Post subject: |
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Trade was a B+.
Had we gotten a shorter deal than Brewer's, then it would've been an A.
Lou Williams is a good scorer off the bench whose value was inflated because he was the "best player on a bad team." He will thrive in Antoni's system for a season but we are better for having moved him. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns". |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:06 am Post subject: |
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I don't think we're better for having moved him, but we do have a future asset because of it, and unless we're looking to win right away, he is a luxury, albeit an incredibly well priced one. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Lou exceeded my expectations this year. Played so well. Kind of sad we didn't have a good enough team where his services would be better used. Was a great signing, but was a bit of a clunky fit on a rebuild. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Lonzo-Lite Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Jordan-esque wrote: | RE: Utah
Ramona wrote a piece after the trade saying that Utah Jazz had offered the Lakers their 1st pick + matching salaries in exchange for Lou Williams, but Lindsey Utah's GM pulled the offer off the table around the same time Magic Johnson took over for Kupchack as Lakers GM.
Speculation was that Utah may have offered their 1st pick + Boris Diaw's non-guaranteed expiring contract. But when that offer was no longer there for him, Magic probably just went for the 2nd best deal with Houston. |
Sounded like either Mitch waited too long, or Utah's GM tried to bluff and see if he could try to renegotiate a better deal for the Jazz with Magic being new. _________________ Tacos |
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Mdstgreen Sixth Man
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:00 am Post subject: |
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The conspiracy theorist in me says that the Lakers had better offers, but Pelinka wanted to hook his main client up for a championship run. |
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pmacla Star Player
Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Posts: 7849 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:00 am Post subject: |
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Lou outplayed his contract this year but remember this about his value in the league, coming off the 6th man of the year award no one but the Lakers would offer him $7 mil a year. That should tell you he is viewed as a luxury and not a need by the other teams in the NBA |
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numero-ocho Franchise Player
Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 18203 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:00 am Post subject: |
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All I know is our bench did not look good with JC leading it after he left. When Lou was leading the bench he not only scored but set other guys up. _________________ "Suck it up. Don't be a baby. Do your job." - Kobe Bryant |
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The Logo Star Player
Joined: 25 Jul 2013 Posts: 9577 Location: Salem, OR
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:07 am Post subject: |
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I was higher on Lou than most were last year, but he still exceeded my expectations this year. He didn't run the traditional offense that the starters did, but there were games where he just carried us because of his scoring, especially games where Russell and Young were out and we had no business to be in the game. |
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Dreamshake Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:58 am Post subject: |
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | AFireInside619 wrote: | I wished Mitch would have pulled the trigger with Utah, since their pick is higher than the Rockets, but I guess it all depends one who we get. At this moment, I'm happy with the trade. Could be better, but it's good enough. |
We will never know what we could have gotten.
Wizards had a 1st but wanted us to eat a bad contract that was worse than Brewer.
Utah, no one knows what they would have given up so I don't count that against anyone.
The only iffy was taking on Brewer's 7m deal, but that's not fatal and he provided some spark at the end of the year during our 5 game winning streak. |
I don't think that getting Brewer in return was a bad move at all. They didn't have the expiring contract we needed, and Brewer has always been a hard player, something that can be good for our young players learning to play the game. |
McDaniels/Ennis exp K would have worked. |
But likely wouldn't have been offered with a 1st. The pick was included to dump salary. I doubt Morey would give up a 1st and increase payroll. He's all about flexibility. |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Anyone know what the Hornets were offering for Lou before we traded him to Houston? |
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USCandLakers Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:02 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Lou is an unnecessary luxury on a rebuilding team. Like having a solid gold toilet while you live in a slum. Should you sell that toilet and maybe move out, or do you continue enjoying the toilet but living in squalor? |
That was a good analogy.
I'm stealing it. _________________ A banana is killed every time a terrible thread or post is made. Save the bananas. Stop creating terrible posts! |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:16 am Post subject: |
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2019 wrote: | KOBE2007MVP wrote: | A bad trade for the Lakers. No 28th pick is going to be half as good as the 6th man off the year averaging 20 pts a game!
If tanking was the purpose they could have shut him down for the year like they did Moz, Deng and Young.
They gave away our best player to a WC rival which is going to bite us in the a$$ for many years to come! | '
You and someone else I already shut down in this thread need to get together and find a way to actually substantiate what you're saying.
Anyone calling this a bad trade doesn't understand the macro view that's required to judge this deal. |
Or maybe they have a different opinion than you do only minus the God complex you seem to experience. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Lonzo-Lite Star Player
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omzzzzz Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Dr. Laker wrote: | Trade was a B+.
Had we gotten a shorter deal than Brewer's, then it would've been an A.
Lou Williams is a good scorer off the bench whose value was inflated because he was the "best player on a bad team." He will thrive in Antoni's system for a season but we are better for having moved him. |
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THIS GUY GETS IT
Had they taken back an expiring deal they would have potentially had room for a super max contract slot this summer (starting salary of $35 million). |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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omzzzzz wrote: | Dr. Laker wrote: | Trade was a B+.
Had we gotten a shorter deal than Brewer's, then it would've been an A.
Lou Williams is a good scorer off the bench whose value was inflated because he was the "best player on a bad team." He will thrive in Antoni's system for a season but we are better for having moved him. |
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THIS GUY GETS IT
Had they taken back an expiring deal they would have potentially had room for a super max contract slot this summer (starting salary of $35 million). |
We can still create 35M in cap, but we would need to dump players without taking salary back. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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omzzzzz wrote: | Dr. Laker wrote: | Trade was a B+.
Had we gotten a shorter deal than Brewer's, then it would've been an A.
Lou Williams is a good scorer off the bench whose value was inflated because he was the "best player on a bad team." He will thrive in Antoni's system for a season but we are better for having moved him. |
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THIS GUY GETS IT
Had they taken back an expiring deal they would have potentially had room for a super max contract slot this summer (starting salary of $35 million). |
So what expiring deal did they pass on? _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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audioaxes Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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the idea that we can be contenders in one year is asinine. Even the Miami Heat super team needed a full season to gel before they won a championship the next season. If we try to sell off all our young assets/picks now, that is no way enough to build a championship roster and Lou would still be on the downslide by the time we are serious contenders. _________________ (bleep) Kawhi |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | omzzzzz wrote: | Dr. Laker wrote: | Trade was a B+.
Had we gotten a shorter deal than Brewer's, then it would've been an A.
Lou Williams is a good scorer off the bench whose value was inflated because he was the "best player on a bad team." He will thrive in Antoni's system for a season but we are better for having moved him. |
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THIS GUY GETS IT
Had they taken back an expiring deal they would have potentially had room for a super max contract slot this summer (starting salary of $35 million). |
So what expiring deal did they pass on? |
We don't know because they fired the people who were working the deals right before the deadline, and had to start over from square one with a "we are trading him today" edict. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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omzzzzz Star Player
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | omzzzzz wrote: | Dr. Laker wrote: | Trade was a B+.
Had we gotten a shorter deal than Brewer's, then it would've been an A.
Lou Williams is a good scorer off the bench whose value was inflated because he was the "best player on a bad team." He will thrive in Antoni's system for a season but we are better for having moved him. |
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THIS GUY GETS IT
Had they taken back an expiring deal they would have potentially had room for a super max contract slot this summer (starting salary of $35 million). |
So what expiring deal did they pass on? |
We don't know because they fired the people who were working the deals right before the deadline, and had to start over from square one with a "we are trading him today" edict. |
Charlotte was rumored to be interested. I would have rather seen a deal like Ramon Sessions + a first round pick for Lou. Sessions has a team option for next for $6 million. I mean if they really like Corey Brewer as a player then fine, but I think they would rather have the better draft pick and the potential cap space. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 9:02 am Post subject: |
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We know Utah had a first on the table fornmitch, and they didn't need to match salary (they were far enough under the cap to absorb Lou outright) _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Another factor some of us mentioned at the time is that there wasn't really a hurry to trade Lou. Like most guys, he'd have more value in the off season (when more teams have cap room and flexibility and are in transaction mode), and he could simply be sat down like MozDeng for tanking purposes. Not to mention that if LA can land a PG13 type deal, they may actually have wanted to keep Lou.
But there's also the fact that a 2018 first might be more valuable to the team as an asset than a 2017 pick. If they lose their 2017 lotto pick (and thus the 2019 as well), having an extra 2018 first allows them the ability to trade the 2018 pick. And if they get their picks, and thus lose their 2018, having the 2018 makes the 2017 freer to move. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Dr. Funkbot Star Player
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 9:38 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Lou is an unnecessary luxury on a rebuilding team. Like having a solid gold toilet while you live in a slum. Should you sell that toilet and maybe move out, or do you continue enjoying the toilet but living in squalor? |
From now on I am only going to refer to Lou as the Golden Toilet. People will think I am crazy. _________________ R.I.P. Doc Buss |
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