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LakerDynasty6.0
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| LakerEric wrote: | | Oh brother |
indeed!
Veterans yes! Ball hogging, defense-less, iso-ball vets --> that way!
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AshesToAshes
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lou was traded a while ago and you're only just realizing why?
It was pretty openly stated since the trade.
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 4:57 am Post subject: |
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If we had Lou we likely don't have a top 3 pick.
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Spill512
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| CandyCanes wrote: | The problem with Lou is that he just really doesn't move the needle all that much if he's one of your best players.
He's a guy who plays inefficient iso-ball and shoots at an inefficient percentage, all while being a matador on the defensive end. This makes him fine for playing against other teams' bench players (who are lesser both offensively and defensively than their starters) but a liability when playing against starters.
He can give you points when your stars are on the bench. That's about it. |
Inefficiency is a measure of statistics and not really something you can judge off observation. And statistically, he's not inefficient, especially for the past 5 seasons where he's consistently been above ~55% TS. He's on a fantastic contract relative to what he brings to a team.
I never understood why people were so eager to get rid of him when we had him. People acted like he was playing bad basketball and wanted to find any way to just dump him. People acted like we had to give up assets to get rid of him. It really confused me. |
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | We spent 136M on a couple of players in their 30's looking for some veteran support/role players then we traded away a veteran in his 30's who could compete for 6th Man award. Made perfect sense. Not sure what the heck was going on there. Lakers don't need more draft picks. We need serviceable veterans to complement our young core.
Lou trade was strike one on Magic. |
As someone who is not soft on magic, I just can't agree here. Would have preferred a 2018 pick and no cap carryover, but yeah, this was the right direction to go for both parties. |
Will the number 28 pick or Lou help us win more games next season? We have plenty (too much) young talents. We are past the point of developing rookies. We need solid veterans that could help us win games, which would make us become an attractive destination for FAs so we wouldn't have to settle for rejects like Moz and Deng.
So yea, Lou was exactly the type of veteran player we were looking for. I don't want a team full of rookies who are trying to learn the game and win 30 games again. We've been through that long enough. It's time to take the next step. |
We are far from being past the point of developing youth with this team - rookies or not. I want the Lakers back in the playoff mix as much as anyone. But, with the new CBA, there are no shortcuts. There's no team out there that will gift us superstars or cream of the crop veteran role players. On the flipside, our young guys aren't developed enough yet to bring back enough in trade in most scenarios unless we give up multiple young assetts just to land a single established player in return.
I'm not going to pretend that Corey Brewer somehow launches the team up to a new standard. But, he was swapped out for Lou which is basically opposites attract. Lou can score well but doesn't defend at all. Brewer doesn't score much (certainly doesn't create for himself) but is considered a more than serviceable defender. Given that our team was yet again last in the league in defensive efficiency and nearly last in other defensive metrics, that wasn't at all a terrible trade given the pick that we landed as well.
We got a late 1st rounder at a time when we had no idea what would happen with the the draft lottery. If we had lost our own 1st round pick yesterday, I think fans would be more thankful that at least we traded for a pick. Now, with two 1st round picks, our FO has more options to explore. They're in a better position to pursue trades this summer if they prefer. If they decide to keep the pick and grab a young player like Ball, Jackson, Fox, Tatum or the like, that will be better than how we ended the season in terms of talent. It takes time. It sucks trying to be patient. But, now we know all too well how those constant basement dweller franchises' fans feel year in and year out. The massive difference being - they don't have awesome pages of Lakers history hanging from their rafters. Just imagine being a Nets fan.. o.O
There's plenty to be critical of with the team's decisions over the last 4 or 5 seasons. But, I don't feel that the LouWill trade should be one of them. |
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pmacla
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Lou was the type of player that former FO used to like to bring in as a mirage, flashy and can win you a game here and there but when you pull the curtain back not much there that is going to make you a winner
Remember they got the #28 pick and Brewer who is the type of player the new FO wants to bring in, a guy that works hard on the defensive end and is a great teammate with his effort and work ethic.
Not saying Lou wasnt a hard worker and a good player he just wasnt the type of player you have on a team that is rebuilding |
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audioaxes
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 5:58 am Post subject: |
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no we would not get #8 seed unless we foolishly trade away our assets to get more "win now" players. No point doing that because it definitely would not be enough to get past the best teams in the league.
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| AllorNothing wrote: | | Probably would be #5 pick in lottery though. |
We benched MozDeng & Young. Why not Lou? |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | We spent 136M on a couple of players in their 30's looking for some veteran support/role players then we traded away a veteran in his 30's who could compete for 6th Man award. Made perfect sense. Not sure what the heck was going on there. Lakers don't need more draft picks. We need serviceable veterans to complement our young core.
Lou trade was strike one on Magic. |
As someone who is not soft on magic, I just can't agree here. Would have preferred a 2018 pick and no cap carryover, but yeah, this was the right direction to go for both parties. |
Add in the favor to Lou and his agent that Magic did by trading him to a contender. That goodwill should hopefully pay dividends in the future.
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Jodie Meeks will be a solid replacement.
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if we had prime Kobe and Shaq I think we would have a descent change at winning it all  |
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Spill512 wrote: |
I never understood why people were so eager to get rid of him when we had him. People acted like he was playing bad basketball and wanted to find any way to just dump him. People acted like we had to give up assets to get rid of him. It really confused me. |
The thinking was pretty obvious
1. Lou is 30 years old and his contract expires after the 2017-18 season. He isn't part of the long-term plans of a rebuilding team so we have to focus on what will be the best move now that helps a few years down the line.
2. He is having a good year so we can trade him for assets that will help in the rebuilding.
3. By getting rid of him, we open up playing time for younger players and speed their development.
4. By trading him, we may lose more games in the short term, enhancing our chance of getting a good trade pick. |
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| Dr. Funkbot wrote: |
Add in the favor to Lou and his agent that Magic did by trading him to a contender. That goodwill should hopefully pay dividends in the future. |
They didn't do him a favor. They just made the best deal available.
If the Brooklyn Nets had offered their pick, that's where Lou would be right now. |
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petergr
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Magic can get somebody like him back by trading DLO.
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nash
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| petergr wrote: | Magic can get somebody like him back by trading DLO.
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That would be a great deal ... for Houston. |
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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splashmtn
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: If we had Lou.....I think we would have had a decent chance at #8 seed next year |
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no we would have too many guards.
unless you think we could've flip one of them for another position. |
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