Steady is not good enough. I need to see more. Has the form gotten better? Has his release gotten quicker? Is it confidence? He's slightly more confident. His release is still awful and that shot form is also horrendous. He tosses bricks up there.
I'm not sure what kind of leap you expected in one season. Comparison of Randle's year 1 to year 2 shooting:
While his three point percentage declined slightly he was vastly more efficient from inside 20 feet. He also doubled his assist output while becoming much more efficient in his assist:turnover ratio. Those are big improvements. Pretty much every area of his game improved from year one to year two apart from rebounding, and three point shooting.
It's not necessarily the leap part I am crying about. He made improvements. The issue is the guy has a lot of potential, puts up double doubles all the time and therefore he is going to command a lot of $. It's the nature of the NBA now. If we get this Randle next year, I do not want to pay him $18mill a season. I want him to improve to a point where we can justify that.
We can all thank the DengMozgov contracts for this btw. Otherwise you could give Randle the $18mill hoping he turns into an all-star. Time will tell, I wish him the best.
Steady is not good enough. I need to see more. Has the form gotten better? Has his release gotten quicker? Is it confidence? He's slightly more confident. His release is still awful and that shot form is also horrendous. He tosses bricks up there.
I'm not sure what kind of leap you expected in one season. Comparison of Randle's year 1 to year 2 shooting:
While his three point percentage declined slightly he was vastly more efficient from inside 20 feet. He also doubled his assist output while becoming much more efficient in his assist:turnover ratio. Those are big improvements. Pretty much every area of his game improved from year one to year two apart from rebounding, and three point shooting.
It's not necessarily the leap part I am crying about. He made improvements. The issue is the guy has a lot of potential, puts up double doubles all the time and therefore he is going to command a lot of $. It's the nature of the NBA now. If we get this Randle next year, I do not want to pay him $18mill a season. I want him to improve to a point where we can justify that.
We can all thank the DengMozgov contracts for this btw. Otherwise you could give Randle the $18mill hoping he turns into an all-star. Time will tell, I wish him the best.
You can do that sort of hand wringing about every young player on the roster. When it comes to young player getting big contract the majority of them are getting paid like that not based on past performance but on what they could be going forward. Julius is steadily improving and the front office thinks he can continue to improve.
I swear it seems like all this worrying about Julius next contract didn't happen until he started performing better than some people expected.
Steady is not good enough. I need to see more. Has the form gotten better? Has his release gotten quicker? Is it confidence? He's slightly more confident. His release is still awful and that shot form is also horrendous. He tosses bricks up there.
I'm not sure what kind of leap you expected in one season. Comparison of Randle's year 1 to year 2 shooting:
While his three point percentage declined slightly he was vastly more efficient from inside 20 feet. He also doubled his assist output while becoming much more efficient in his assist:turnover ratio. Those are big improvements. Pretty much every area of his game improved from year one to year two apart from rebounding, and three point shooting.
It's not necessarily the leap part I am crying about. He made improvements. The issue is the guy has a lot of potential, puts up double doubles all the time and therefore he is going to command a lot of $. It's the nature of the NBA now. If we get this Randle next year, I do not want to pay him $18mill a season. I want him to improve to a point where we can justify that.
We can all thank the DengMozgov contracts for this btw. Otherwise you could give Randle the $18mill hoping he turns into an all-star. Time will tell, I wish him the best.
You can do that sort of hand wringing about every young player on the roster. When it comes to young player getting big contract the majority of them are getting paid like that not based on past performance but on what they could be going forward. Julius is steadily improving and the front office thinks he can continue to improve.
I swear it seems like all this worrying about Julius next contract didn't happen until he started performing better than some people expected.
If all we're doing is matching another team's offer, than we're paying market price for him. If a team is willing to trade for him now, we should assume they're willing to match whatever he gets in FA. They wouldn't trade for him if they weren't willing to sign him correct?
If a team is willing to trade for him now, and he steadily gets better, why wouldn't they trade for him later?
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 12:36 pm Post subject:
You don't let him get a RFA offer and then match it. That is a Donald Sterling Clipper level of disrespect. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Randle looks in great shape, I hope he comes out and makes everyone regret underrating him.
Am I crazy for thinking that our guys could compete for the 8th seed based off their improvements alone? DLO and Randle are going into their 3rd seasons, I expect both of them to make big leaps this season. _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 3:33 pm Post subject:
Chase.button07 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
You don't let him get a RFA offer and then match it. That is a Donald Sterling Clipper level of disrespect.
This is the kind of thinking that got your buddies fired.
Common sense says let him hit the rfa market and u match.
Before you bring up sterling, remember what your buddies did with ariza
Then I guess most NBA franchises don't use common sense since that is rarely done, especially with high draft picks. So you thought that overpaying Ariza would have been a good idea? _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
That form just isn't going to get it done consistently. He needs a complete overhaul of his shooting mechanics but I feel like he's been reluctant to do that.
At best, Randle will be a poor man's Odom. Can rebound, facilitate off the dribble and hopefully become a decent 3 PT shooter (+33%). Not an All-Star but with a long defensive minded 5 can be effective on a contending team. _________________ We only celebrate championships.
At best, Randle will be a poor man's Odom. Can rebound, facilitate off the dribble and hopefully become a decent 3 PT shooter (+33%). Not an All-Star but with a long defensive minded 5 can be effective on a contending team.
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 4:00 pm Post subject:
epak wrote:
matrixskillz wrote:
At best, Randle will be a poor man's Odom. Can rebound, facilitate off the dribble and hopefully become a decent 3 PT shooter (+33%). Not an All-Star but with a long defensive minded 5 can be effective on a contending team.
That's not a poor man's LO. That IS LO.
Yea, Randle is already a poor man's LO at 13/9/4 in under 30 minutes per game. If Randle can make the same jump next year as he made last year, we will have a pretty great player on our hands. Imagine next year 18/10/5 with average defense, on 50% shooting overall and 30%+ 3pt shooting. With a slight minutes increase (to around 30-32 min per game), that's what I project. If we have that guy next year, which I think we will, what will people think of him then? _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
That form just isn't going to get it done consistently. He needs a complete overhaul of his shooting mechanics but I feel like he's been reluctant to do that.
It's like he doesn't have a repeatable crane. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 4:12 pm Post subject:
I agree LS, I don't see Randle being a first option or a 20 point scorer. He will be more like LO or a Draymond, a guy who can bring multiple talents to support the star players. I see Ingram being that type of player too. It gets me excited for the future, especially if DLO can be that star player. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
We don't need Randle to be a 40% 3pt shooter if he can be greater than 33%, he will be spreading the floor enough for our offense. I would love if the shooting coaches were working on his form for him though.
That form just isn't going to get it done consistently. He needs a complete overhaul of his shooting mechanics but I feel like he's been reluctant to do that.
Odom was a much better defender than Randle is. Lamar grew into that over time so to be fair Randle may one day get there. But for now it isn't close. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night.
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 5:40 pm Post subject:
venturalakersfan wrote:
I agree LS, I don't see Randle being a first option or a 20 point scorer. He will be more like LO or a Draymond, a guy who can bring multiple talents to support the star players. I see Ingram being that type of player too. It gets me excited for the future, especially if DLO can be that star player.
I completely disagree with you on Ingram, but, as this is a Randle thread, I'll stick to him.
I actually think that Randle has the potential to top out as a 20-25 PPG scorer. I think, most likely, he ends in the 18-22 range. I could totally see a bunch of 20/10/5 or 18/10/7 seasons for him. It all depends on his supporting cast. I think he has higher scoring potential than Draymond, but may not have the same kind of defensive potential. Next season, I see 18/10/5, as I said above, which I hope would change the mind of many detractors. I have a feeling though that still wouldn't be enough of a leap for most. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
I was looking up Odom's numbers and I was surprised to see he was a career 31% three point shooter. He had a couple of good years (06 and 11), but other than that, meh. I remember early in his career he was known for jacking up bad threes, but for some reason I thought he was better throughout his career. Guess not, lol.
Like everyone else, I think if Randle can bump his threepoint shooting to the low 30's, it will help his career greatly. If we draft Ball, hopefully it will get him better looks from three and more easy baskets.
I'm less optimistic about him on defense. Hopefully he can turn it around on that end, because we need it badly.
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