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67ShelbyGT Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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LakerLanny wrote: | governator wrote: | ChefLinda wrote: | USA Today: 130 imams refuse to conduct funerals for London attackers
Quote: | More than 130 imams and other religious leaders across Britain have refused to perform traditional Islamic funerals for the three attackers who killed seven people and wounded dozens more in London.
"Their acts and willful dismissal of our religious principles alienates (sic) them from any association with our community for whom the inviolability of every human life is the founding principle," the group said in a statement released by the Muslim Council of Britain. "Consequently, and in light of other such ethical principles which are quintessential to Islam, we will not perform the traditional Islamic funeral prayer for the perpetrators."
The group urged fellow imams and religious authorities to follow suit, saying the perpetrators' "indefensible actions are completely at odds with the lofty teachings of Islam." The statement said the "vile murderers" seek to divide Britain and instill fear.
"We implore everyone to unite: we are one community," the statement said "In the face of such dastardly cowardice, unlike the terrorists, we must uphold love and compassion." |
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I'm not a Muslim so I would defer to our Muslim posters but I think it would've been better if these Imam just strongly condemn the act but not refusing the funeral. Just like Churches should be ok to perform funeral to the worst Christian (murderers, rapist). Just a personal opinion |
Actually what would really show leadership would be for them to protest against those in their religion spewing hate in their mosques before something like an attack happens.
Refusing to do the funerals after the fact? Meaningless and ineffective, but I guess at least it shows they care. But it does nothing and changes nothing. |
Another dumb and misinformed generalization. You do realize over 90+% of the victims of ISIS is muslims. So I think "they" care a little when they bury their loved ones.
But dont let this hinder you from posting more lines you heard from Hannity or OReilley. I hope you keep opening your mouth regarding religions. It just keeps getting better with you. Hee-haw! _________________ Alltime lineup: Magic | Kobe | MJ | Hakeem | KAJ |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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nickuku wrote: | A celebrity just got elected president. |
True, but I think you know what I mean. If Ben Affleck runs for president, people might really care about his opinion. Briefly. |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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nickuku wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | nickuku wrote: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60
This video will be forever relevant until people on the left and moderate Muslims admit there is a problem within Islam. Sam makes a great point here and Ben Affleck totally dismisses his valid argument and calls him a racist. Too many liberals treat any sort of criticism against Islam as racist and xenophobic. Why don't we hold the same offense when Christianity is criticized far worse? |
That's a political meme that isn't actually true. It's hard to have a serious discussion of the issue because people on both sides stereotype each other. I'm not inclined to jump back into that morass. Suffice it to say that few people really care what Ben Affleck, Ted Nugent, or any other celebrity thinks about politics. |
A celebrity just got elected president. |
You may care what he thinks but do you take him seriously? _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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nickuku wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | nickuku wrote: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60
This video will be forever relevant until people on the left and moderate Muslims admit there is a problem within Islam. Sam makes a great point here and Ben Affleck totally dismisses his valid argument and calls him a racist. Too many liberals treat any sort of criticism against Islam as racist and xenophobic. Why don't we hold the same offense when Christianity is criticized far worse? |
That's a political meme that isn't actually true. It's hard to have a serious discussion of the issue because people on both sides stereotype each other. I'm not inclined to jump back into that morass. Suffice it to say that few people really care what Ben Affleck, Ted Nugent, or any other celebrity thinks about politics. |
A celebrity just got elected president. |
And not for the first time. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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67ShelbyGT wrote: | LakerLanny wrote: | governator wrote: | ChefLinda wrote: | USA Today: 130 imams refuse to conduct funerals for London attackers
Quote: | More than 130 imams and other religious leaders across Britain have refused to perform traditional Islamic funerals for the three attackers who killed seven people and wounded dozens more in London.
"Their acts and willful dismissal of our religious principles alienates (sic) them from any association with our community for whom the inviolability of every human life is the founding principle," the group said in a statement released by the Muslim Council of Britain. "Consequently, and in light of other such ethical principles which are quintessential to Islam, we will not perform the traditional Islamic funeral prayer for the perpetrators."
The group urged fellow imams and religious authorities to follow suit, saying the perpetrators' "indefensible actions are completely at odds with the lofty teachings of Islam." The statement said the "vile murderers" seek to divide Britain and instill fear.
"We implore everyone to unite: we are one community," the statement said "In the face of such dastardly cowardice, unlike the terrorists, we must uphold love and compassion." |
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I'm not a Muslim so I would defer to our Muslim posters but I think it would've been better if these Imam just strongly condemn the act but not refusing the funeral. Just like Churches should be ok to perform funeral to the worst Christian (murderers, rapist). Just a personal opinion |
Actually what would really show leadership would be for them to protest against those in their religion spewing hate in their mosques before something like an attack happens.
Refusing to do the funerals after the fact? Meaningless and ineffective, but I guess at least it shows they care. But it does nothing and changes nothing. |
Another dumb and misinformed generalization. You do realize over 90+% of the victims of ISIS is muslims. So I think "they" care a little when they bury their loved ones.
But dont let this hinder you from posting more lines you heard from Hannity or OReilley. I hope you keep opening your mouth regarding religions. It just keeps getting better with you. Hee-haw! |
Lanny will vouch that I disagree with him often and vigorously, and I do on this too, but maybe a major deceleration on the personal throttle would be in order here. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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LakerLanny wrote: | governator wrote: | ChefLinda wrote: | USA Today: 130 imams refuse to conduct funerals for London attackers
Quote: | More than 130 imams and other religious leaders across Britain have refused to perform traditional Islamic funerals for the three attackers who killed seven people and wounded dozens more in London.
"Their acts and willful dismissal of our religious principles alienates (sic) them from any association with our community for whom the inviolability of every human life is the founding principle," the group said in a statement released by the Muslim Council of Britain. "Consequently, and in light of other such ethical principles which are quintessential to Islam, we will not perform the traditional Islamic funeral prayer for the perpetrators."
The group urged fellow imams and religious authorities to follow suit, saying the perpetrators' "indefensible actions are completely at odds with the lofty teachings of Islam." The statement said the "vile murderers" seek to divide Britain and instill fear.
"We implore everyone to unite: we are one community," the statement said "In the face of such dastardly cowardice, unlike the terrorists, we must uphold love and compassion." |
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I'm not a Muslim so I would defer to our Muslim posters but I think it would've been better if these Imam just strongly condemn the act but not refusing the funeral. Just like Churches should be ok to perform funeral to the worst Christian (murderers, rapist). Just a personal opinion |
Actually what would really show leadership would be for them to protest against those in their religion spewing hate in their mosques before something like an attack happens.
Refusing to do the funerals after the fact? Meaningless and ineffective, but I guess at least it shows they care. But it does nothing and changes nothing. |
This might help
http://independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/muslims-christians-philippines-marawi-isis-flee-seige-a7771126.html |
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Goldenwest Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | Goldenwest wrote: | lakersken80 wrote: | Ever heard of the Barbary Wars?
Ever heard of the US Marines motto to the shores of Tripoli?
The conflict with the middle east goes back way before World War II. It has been a clash of differing cultures and religions.
This is why I always laugh when certain posters have a defined demarcation point that if didn't get involved in this particular conflict after WW2 everything would be fine and dandy and they would not hate us. Sorry, but a portion of the populace will always hate you because you represent elements which they see at odds with their culture and religion. |
that's about combating piracy. Did the pirates turn around and suicide-bomb Paris or New York because of the barbary wars? Sorry, but i don't buy the notion that middle eastern/islamic countries have a natural, un-instigated inclination to cause havoc and destruction on the west. Its simply revenge.
if we didn't get involved in the middles east, from over throwing Mousadeh, to Beirut, Iraq, and Syria, (among one or two other issues) we wouldn't have these problems now. If YOU, don't believe that, then maybe you have some inherent disdain for that region. |
But if it's simply revenge against the west then why are the majority of terrorists' murder victims Muslim middle-easterners? |
We're talking about the bombings in Europe, the US. The Sunni's and Shia's are at each others throats also. but the rash of bombings in western Europe have to be a fallout from our foreign policy. |
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Huey Lewis & The News Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Goldenwest wrote: | Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | Goldenwest wrote: | lakersken80 wrote: | Ever heard of the Barbary Wars?
Ever heard of the US Marines motto to the shores of Tripoli?
The conflict with the middle east goes back way before World War II. It has been a clash of differing cultures and religions.
This is why I always laugh when certain posters have a defined demarcation point that if didn't get involved in this particular conflict after WW2 everything would be fine and dandy and they would not hate us. Sorry, but a portion of the populace will always hate you because you represent elements which they see at odds with their culture and religion. |
that's about combating piracy. Did the pirates turn around and suicide-bomb Paris or New York because of the barbary wars? Sorry, but i don't buy the notion that middle eastern/islamic countries have a natural, un-instigated inclination to cause havoc and destruction on the west. Its simply revenge.
if we didn't get involved in the middles east, from over throwing Mousadeh, to Beirut, Iraq, and Syria, (among one or two other issues) we wouldn't have these problems now. If YOU, don't believe that, then maybe you have some inherent disdain for that region. |
But if it's simply revenge against the west then why are the majority of terrorists' murder victims Muslim middle-easterners? |
We're talking about the bombings in Europe, the US. The Sunni's and Shia's are at each others throats also. but the rash of bombings in western Europe have to be a fallout from our foreign policy. |
No, we're talking about global, radical Islamic terrorism. It's not just shiite and sunni vs. each other or against the West. Kurds, pashtuns, persians, druze, secular Muslims, coptic christians etc, have been targeted and murdered by terrorists. What was that revenge for? _________________ "All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers."
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