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As a lifelong resident of Inglewood, I wish Ballmer would get the hint that he should move his team out of L.A. period and go to Seattle. He's being stubborn. The clippers will never truly be respected here....ever!


His team value takes a hit if he moves to Seattle.

Idk their fan base is strong plus the growth up there is nuts.


There are 13.4 million people in the Metro LA area. 18.7 million in the "Greater Los Angeles Area."

There are 3.7 million people in the Metro Seattle area. 4.3 million in the "Greater Seattle Area."

The crumbs as the 2nd team in LA are better than the steak as the #1 (and only) team in Seattle.


Yep, and also Ballmer has aspirational dreams to make the Clippers the dominant NBA team in LA. He doesn't care about the Lakers history. If the Lakers keep getting stuck in the mud with their rebuilding, a lot of the newer youth fans will probably watch the Clippers. Ballmer is hell bent on changing the Clippers culture, of which Donald Sterling was just fine with just being that 2nd team in LA and paying the bare minimum to field a team. This is why that ownership change was such a big deal. You had the cheapest owner in the NBA forced to sell to a guy who has the most money of all the NBA owners. Ballmer high-tailing off to Seattle would be admitting defeat and somebody as competitive as him doesn't cede the #2 market just like that. If the Lakers ownership keeps screwing up he can see the Clippers capitalizing on that. Ballmer also does things that were unheard of back in Donald T. Sterling days. One is building an NBA arena with his own money. Two is challenging the Lakers for free agents. Three is refusing to take a backseat as the 2nd team in LA. That should scare the Lakers front office.


My son is 19, his friends follow the Clippers and Warriors. It was rare seeing Laker gear at his high school.
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I wish the Lakers would do this. Staples is garbage.


For concerts, sure. But for sporting events it fits like a glove. Other than the fact that it looks like a downed alien spacecraft from the outside (whereas the Forum is just nice to look at), what don't you like?


I think the opposite is true. Great venue for music and shows, but from a stadium geek's POV it leaves a lot to be desired, especially for the creme de la creme of world sports franchises (which the Lakers are, despite a dramatic recent drop in brand quality).


You mean from like an ambiance perspective? Because acoustically it's terrible. Like hauling a gigantic PA into a stone cathedral and shouting at everyone for three hours. It doesn't even look like it was even designed for music. Bare concrete?

By comparison Forum's inner walls are all lined with sound absorption and diffusion material which is why it always sounds like a smaller hall than it really is. What MSG has done there since 2014 is amazing but it was always a good sounding arena.

Not sure what Staples is lacking from a sports perspective, but to each their own. Staples feels huge but the furthest sideline seats are closer than they were at the Forum.


Yes, the ambiance aspect. I have no input on its acoustics because I've only been in the pit for concerts at Staples.


Thats because Staples is built upwards while the Forum is a bowl. If you are at the nosebleeds at Staples you still get a relatively good view. In comparison at the Forum, you are going to need binoculars.
Also the Forum was built before the era of luxury boxes, so it feels more intimate. While at Staples you have luxury boxes separating the 200 and 300 levels.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:01 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
Halflife wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
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As a lifelong resident of Inglewood, I wish Ballmer would get the hint that he should move his team out of L.A. period and go to Seattle. He's being stubborn. The clippers will never truly be respected here....ever!


His team value takes a hit if he moves to Seattle.

Idk their fan base is strong plus the growth up there is nuts.


There are 13.4 million people in the Metro LA area. 18.7 million in the "Greater Los Angeles Area."

There are 3.7 million people in the Metro Seattle area. 4.3 million in the "Greater Seattle Area."

The crumbs as the 2nd team in LA are better than the steak as the #1 (and only) team in Seattle.


Yep, and also Ballmer has aspirational dreams to make the Clippers the dominant NBA team in LA. He doesn't care about the Lakers history. If the Lakers keep getting stuck in the mud with their rebuilding, a lot of the newer youth fans will probably watch the Clippers. Ballmer is hell bent on changing the Clippers culture, of which Donald Sterling was just fine with just being that 2nd team in LA and paying the bare minimum to field a team. This is why that ownership change was such a big deal. You had the cheapest owner in the NBA forced to sell to a guy who has the most money of all the NBA owners. Ballmer high-tailing off to Seattle would be admitting defeat and somebody as competitive as him doesn't cede the #2 market just like that. If the Lakers ownership keeps screwing up he can see the Clippers capitalizing on that. Ballmer also does things that were unheard of back in Donald T. Sterling days. One is building an NBA arena with his own money. Two is challenging the Lakers for free agents. Three is refusing to take a backseat as the 2nd team in LA. That should scare the Lakers front office.


My son is 19, his friends follow the Clippers and Warriors. It was rare seeing Laker gear at his high school.


The problem is the kids that are children right now. They probably never saw Kobe in his prime. They are ripe for the picking for the Clippers because they see CP3 and Blake and their high flying antics.If the Lakers continue to be awful, they could potentially lose a decade of fans.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:27 pm    Post subject:

As long as Laker fan base stays strong Clippers will never have more than a rare year of popularity. As long as their best player gets boo'd to hell every time he is seen in public, they ain't taking over.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:43 pm    Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
Halflife wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
kwase wrote:
As a lifelong resident of Inglewood, I wish Ballmer would get the hint that he should move his team out of L.A. period and go to Seattle. He's being stubborn. The clippers will never truly be respected here....ever!


His team value takes a hit if he moves to Seattle.

Idk their fan base is strong plus the growth up there is nuts.


There are 13.4 million people in the Metro LA area. 18.7 million in the "Greater Los Angeles Area."

There are 3.7 million people in the Metro Seattle area. 4.3 million in the "Greater Seattle Area."

The crumbs as the 2nd team in LA are better than the steak as the #1 (and only) team in Seattle.


Yep, and also Ballmer has aspirational dreams to make the Clippers the dominant NBA team in LA. He doesn't care about the Lakers history. If the Lakers keep getting stuck in the mud with their rebuilding, a lot of the newer youth fans will probably watch the Clippers. Ballmer is hell bent on changing the Clippers culture, of which Donald Sterling was just fine with just being that 2nd team in LA and paying the bare minimum to field a team. This is why that ownership change was such a big deal. You had the cheapest owner in the NBA forced to sell to a guy who has the most money of all the NBA owners. Ballmer high-tailing off to Seattle would be admitting defeat and somebody as competitive as him doesn't cede the #2 market just like that. If the Lakers ownership keeps screwing up he can see the Clippers capitalizing on that. Ballmer also does things that were unheard of back in Donald T. Sterling days. One is building an NBA arena with his own money. Two is challenging the Lakers for free agents. Three is refusing to take a backseat as the 2nd team in LA. That should scare the Lakers front office.


My son is 19, his friends follow the Clippers and Warriors. It was rare seeing Laker gear at his high school.


The problem is the kids that are children right now. They probably never saw Kobe in his prime. They are ripe for the picking for the Clippers because they see CP3 and Blake and their high flying antics.If the Lakers continue to be awful, they could potentially lose a decade of fans.


Not gonna happen

Lakers carry a rich history and a great past

Clippers carry a lifetime supply of $hit. As long as they keep getting eliminated they will always be 2nd best to the lakers
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:48 pm    Post subject:

999 wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
Halflife wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
kwase wrote:
As a lifelong resident of Inglewood, I wish Ballmer would get the hint that he should move his team out of L.A. period and go to Seattle. He's being stubborn. The clippers will never truly be respected here....ever!


His team value takes a hit if he moves to Seattle.

Idk their fan base is strong plus the growth up there is nuts.


There are 13.4 million people in the Metro LA area. 18.7 million in the "Greater Los Angeles Area."

There are 3.7 million people in the Metro Seattle area. 4.3 million in the "Greater Seattle Area."

The crumbs as the 2nd team in LA are better than the steak as the #1 (and only) team in Seattle.


Yep, and also Ballmer has aspirational dreams to make the Clippers the dominant NBA team in LA. He doesn't care about the Lakers history. If the Lakers keep getting stuck in the mud with their rebuilding, a lot of the newer youth fans will probably watch the Clippers. Ballmer is hell bent on changing the Clippers culture, of which Donald Sterling was just fine with just being that 2nd team in LA and paying the bare minimum to field a team. This is why that ownership change was such a big deal. You had the cheapest owner in the NBA forced to sell to a guy who has the most money of all the NBA owners. Ballmer high-tailing off to Seattle would be admitting defeat and somebody as competitive as him doesn't cede the #2 market just like that. If the Lakers ownership keeps screwing up he can see the Clippers capitalizing on that. Ballmer also does things that were unheard of back in Donald T. Sterling days. One is building an NBA arena with his own money. Two is challenging the Lakers for free agents. Three is refusing to take a backseat as the 2nd team in LA. That should scare the Lakers front office.


My son is 19, his friends follow the Clippers and Warriors. It was rare seeing Laker gear at his high school.


The problem is the kids that are children right now. They probably never saw Kobe in his prime. They are ripe for the picking for the Clippers because they see CP3 and Blake and their high flying antics.If the Lakers continue to be awful, they could potentially lose a decade of fans.


Not gonna happen

Lakers carry a rich history and a great past

Clippers carry a lifetime supply of $hit. As long as they keep getting eliminated they will always be 2nd best to the lakers


You say its not possible we already see it in the MLB when the Angels started to win. Especially after they won a championship in 2002 and won division titles afterwards. The Clippers don't need to match the number of championships the Lakers have, all they need is 1 or get close to it. Lots of people are bandwagoners, they just don't admit it. Here is the trap you keep referring to....that the Lakers have a great history and past. Jeannie falls for the same trap as well when she tries to lure free agents to the Lakers. Well the people that are fans today only care about recent history or what have you done for me lately. If the Lakers don't turn around the ship soon, the next generation of potential fans that didn't see the Lakers winning championships won't care what they did in the past.
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lakersken80 wrote:
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Dodgers, Ducks, and Angels all need new facilities too.

I wonder if they will consider Inglewood.


Staples Center is already out dated, it needs major improvements. You figure any arena built by Ballmer will have cutting edge technology, making Staples look like a dinosaur.


The building itself is structurally fine.
If you mean by the technology to connect everyone to the internet and latest technology like 4k screens and jumbotrons, its definitely showing its age on that end. However, I don't think they need to demolish an 18 year old building to do that.


No, just some added improvements. After almost 20 years the Lakers should insist on it.



I'm sure the Buss family will get right on it with their billions of dollars....oh wait....


Why would it cost billions of dollars to upgrade the wifi at Staples Center?


Add new tech to the place, and also upgrade and improve the food choices.

Also could fix those seats, particularly those not so cheap 300 section seats. Make those seats have cupholder arm rests to allow people to have more room or couples have more snuggle area like at movie theaters and move Those seats suck currently.

Improve that concert sound too. It blows. Since day one.

More giveaways to the fans. Not like you got the perennial championship contender to say f you to the fans and critics.

Bye.


Its not cheap to upgrade a building that is already built. Depends on how much refurbishment they want to put into the place. The Knicks recent MSG upgrade costed around a billion dollars. Staples Center is already in a prime location so I think it will be around for years to come. They will probably do some refreshes in the future.


Well that was different, in that MSG opened the same year as the Forum did. Imagine what it would cost to try to turn the Forum into a modern NBA arena? Probably more than a billion.

Staples Center was built during the most recent wave of stadium construction, which is still ongoing. The difference between Staples Center (1999) and say, Arco Arena (1988) is much, much bigger than the difference between the new Sacramento Arena and Staples, even with a larger gap in time.


It depends on how the stadium was constructed as well. Arco Arena was built on the cheap with few luxury seats so it was already outdated by the 2000's. This is why the Kings owners under the Maloof's complained for almost a decade to build a new arena. On the other hand, the Palace of Auburn Hills which was opened at the same time as Arco Arena was built with tons of luxury boxes and is still relatively modern. The Pistons are only moving to the new Arena in downtown Detroit because it is in a more central location.


Yeah, spot on. Nice post. I was trying to think of what to bold but I agree with all of it.

I think Staples Center is more Palace and less Arco, since it was the most expensive arena ever built at the time. With an enormous modern footprint, a megarich owner (AEG, not the Lakers), and a central location I think Staples has the bones necessary to remain a viable NBA/NHL building for a really, really long time.

It won't need any MSG-style renovations until the next arena boom begins. Who knows when that'll be and what it will entail.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:45 am    Post subject:

999 wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
Halflife wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
kwase wrote:
As a lifelong resident of Inglewood, I wish Ballmer would get the hint that he should move his team out of L.A. period and go to Seattle. He's being stubborn. The clippers will never truly be respected here....ever!


His team value takes a hit if he moves to Seattle.

Idk their fan base is strong plus the growth up there is nuts.


There are 13.4 million people in the Metro LA area. 18.7 million in the "Greater Los Angeles Area."

There are 3.7 million people in the Metro Seattle area. 4.3 million in the "Greater Seattle Area."

The crumbs as the 2nd team in LA are better than the steak as the #1 (and only) team in Seattle.


Yep, and also Ballmer has aspirational dreams to make the Clippers the dominant NBA team in LA. He doesn't care about the Lakers history. If the Lakers keep getting stuck in the mud with their rebuilding, a lot of the newer youth fans will probably watch the Clippers. Ballmer is hell bent on changing the Clippers culture, of which Donald Sterling was just fine with just being that 2nd team in LA and paying the bare minimum to field a team. This is why that ownership change was such a big deal. You had the cheapest owner in the NBA forced to sell to a guy who has the most money of all the NBA owners. Ballmer high-tailing off to Seattle would be admitting defeat and somebody as competitive as him doesn't cede the #2 market just like that. If the Lakers ownership keeps screwing up he can see the Clippers capitalizing on that. Ballmer also does things that were unheard of back in Donald T. Sterling days. One is building an NBA arena with his own money. Two is challenging the Lakers for free agents. Three is refusing to take a backseat as the 2nd team in LA. That should scare the Lakers front office.


My son is 19, his friends follow the Clippers and Warriors. It was rare seeing Laker gear at his high school.


The problem is the kids that are children right now. They probably never saw Kobe in his prime. They are ripe for the picking for the Clippers because they see CP3 and Blake and their high flying antics.If the Lakers continue to be awful, they could potentially lose a decade of fans.


Not gonna happen

Lakers carry a rich history and a great past

Clippers carry a lifetime supply of $hit. As long as they keep getting eliminated they will always be 2nd best to the lakers


You missed the point, it is happening
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