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NBA.com Verified account @NBAcom 2h2 hours ago
Lakers reportedly leaning towards Lonzo Ball with No. 2 pick in @NBADraft
MORE: http://on.nba.com/2sHDq61 #LakeShow
Great to hear, but whoever wrote the section on Lonzo NEEDS to do some research.. how the heck could the editors let this slide?
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For better or worse, it would be hard to believe Magic doesn’t see himself in Lonzo.
Unlike Magic, Lonzo is a long way from 6-foot-9. He was officially measured at 6-3 1/2 at the USA Basketball camp.
If Lonzo is still plenty tall, it’s a prescription for disaster to go around comparing draft prospects to all-time greats as Magic, himself, knows full well. |
NOW they have changed it after getting called out lol
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For better or worse, it would be hard to believe Magic doesn’t see himself in Lonzo.
Unlike Magic, Lonzo is a long way from 6-foot-9. In 2014, he was officially measured at 6-3 1/2 at the USA Basketball camp.
If Lonzo is still plenty tall, it’s a prescription for disaster to go around comparing draft prospects to all-time greats as Magic, himself, knows full well. |
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| DrDent wrote: | | LakerLanny wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | The more tweets are coming out the more certain I am that magic never offered 2 and randle
But we won't know until we see who he drafts |
All we know is that Magic valued Fultz over anyone else in this draft. No surprise, he will go #1. I have to wonder, what does Pelinka do? |
Do we really know that? Magic and Ainge have been back on the Cold War 80s on this, it is amazing that know they are going at each other in the front office.
Magic/Pelinka have done a great job with the smokescreen. No one including Laker fans has any idea what they really think or what they are going to do.
My guess: They don't make any trades and just take Lonzo Ball at 2. But we shall see. |
agreed. Let's take these so called sources with a healthy dose of skepticism- the reality is the lakers have poured a TON of time that we publicly are aware of getting to know Lonzo. That probably tells us more than some alleged leak that fultz "murderd" his workout.
Besides, fultz lost to marcellus Wiley shooting 3s while Lonzo beat him twice...there's your litmus test  |
And like true fans, ignore the reports you don't like and believe the reports you do like.
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| Megaton wrote: | | DrDent wrote: | | JH from Hemet wrote: | | kobeslaker wrote: | | JH from Hemet wrote: | A simple question here from a casual fan
If Lonzo Ball truly is Jason Kidd with a jump shot.....why would you NOT draft him?
Sounds like a perfect fit for the team.....we have a lot of young nice pieces......with a star possibly on the way in the next free agency
Whats the problem? Why are we overthinking it? |
It's you overthinking. |
ok? |
JH: I'll try summarize- a number of LG folks (including me) and some sport show talking heads have doubts of whether he will be as advertised at the nba level. More than most he is being dubbed as "next generational talent" and "makes others want to share" and "makes teammates better"... A number of things that are a bit hard to gauge taking one college Season into account...I know you can say that about any one and done but for him a lot of what he is advertised / touted for isn't something you always see in highlights.
You will see folks posts analytics and other stats that support his case while others will point out some other concerns that are legit. I think at the end of the day for someone like me it's my gut saying...I don't think he'll be the next big thing.
With that said lakers are extremely likely going to take him, and I don't think you'll find anyone here who won't be completely rooting for him to excel and be great. |
Oh my sweet summer child. You must not have dabbed into the official D'Angelo Russell thread. |
That is different, many here expected us to draft Okafor and couldn't adjust when we drafted DLO. I would guess most here expect us to draft Ball, so they should be happy about it. I would prefer they draft a different player but will be fine if they draft Ball.
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The Shootaround article is quoting Mark Heisler's recent piece, and reading his writing is kind of like letting radioactive waste leak straight into your eyeballs.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | laker50 wrote: | In reading all the analysis of fit on the web.
Boston got the best fit for they have guards and need wings. Someone to guard James. Butler, Hayward would work for them.
Philly got a PG they need. They are OK up front.
In looking at the Lakers needs. What they need is time and development for sure.
DLO - a potential big time scorer but not a PG
Ingram - another star in the development
Randle - what you see is what you get
Mosgov/Deng - way way overpaid, but ok players if you cut
their pay in half or one third. Just live with overpay.
Clarkson don't know what they saw in him
Young would bring him back for shooting.
The Lakers lack shooters and better defense. But what they don't have is a PG that makes the team better.
A pass first PG who will start making this young team run instead of
playing like old guys.
Get into the mindset of ball movement, player movement, team defense. Use the whole court.
The Lakers have been going in the opposite direction of that.
They need someone to at least help them go in the proper direction. |
Is Curry a pass first PG? Is Irving a pass first PG? Does our offense need a pass first PG? Or do we want offense created on the wings, ala GS? Magic needs to remember this isn't 1980. |
Curry is a pass first PG with GOAT shooting ability.
Kyrie is not a PG, he is an iso player and finisher with Lebron as the PG or PF.
Passing and setting up the team is an important aspect of both the Cavs and Warriors, Curry does it for the Warriors but then so does literally everybody else on the Warriors, Lebron does it most of the time for the Cavs. |
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And it seems Luke wants the Warrior model with 5 passers. Curry is often a shoot first PG. I am fine with the pick if Luke is fine with it. But I guess we will never know that.
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| LilJay24 wrote: | I know we have no quick fixes but damn after seeing the 76ers pull that off, I wish we could pull off something that makes our future immediately brighter.
But I don't know what we would do :/
I'm just being greedy |
It's called drafting Lonzo...drafting another good player at 28...letting Luke coach them up...and clearing space for PG.
This year we'll be fun and over 35 wins.
Next year we'll be fun and over 50...and we back baby!
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | And it seems Luke wants the Warrior model with 5 passers. Curry is often a shoot first PG. I am fine with the pick if Luke is fine with it. But I guess we will never know that. |
The biggest value to drafting Ball is the benefit it will have to Ingram's game. DLo wasn't very good at running the point and setting up BI. Remember how BI played better beside a true PG like Ennis? I think we should concede that Ball may not be a transcendent once-in-a-generation type player as we're hoping. But the upside to the game of BI whom Magic said is the main piece to this puzzle?
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Are we scared yet fam? This JJ talk and trade down talk is scaring me  |
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I like the trade down talk only if we can score a 2018 first rounder.
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| epak wrote: | | Are we scared yet fam? This JJ talk and trade down talk is scaring me |
Scared you?
Pisses me off and makes my stomach hurt
I love my Lakers. And I want them to make good moves and move fwd.
We should draft Ball sign George and serg or Monroe and roll.
If we can flip Moz for anyone I would be happy |
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| epak wrote: | | Are we scared yet fam? This JJ talk and trade down talk is scaring me |
Haven't heard anything new on this, what's the word? |
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You know now that I think of it
Maybe Ball makes Moz better |
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I think the Lakers might seriously trade down.
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | I think the Lakers might seriously trade down. |
Phoenix or Sacramento? |
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If the Lakers trade the #2 after all the work they've put into Lonzo then that would be the biggest dick move after he made all of it possible by flipping the Celtics the bird TWICE!
Kid wants to be a Laker and Magic/FO have reportedly gone on radio silence since Friday so any suggestions that we're open to trading the #2 and passing on the player Magic says is the closest to himself he's seen is hopefully click-bait and this FO isn't that stupid.
In fact Jesse said everyone is locked in on the guy they want at #2 last week.
Have no fear...Lonzo is near.
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| DrDent wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | I think the Lakers might seriously trade down. |
Phoenix or Sacramento? |
Sacramento. Get the 10 as additional asset for a trade without gutting current roster
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Cervantes, got a quote from Jesse on that? They're locked in on 2?
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we ready for you bonzo
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Cervantes, got a quote from Jesse on that? They're locked in on 2? |
Cervantes mis-interpreted that statement, which could have been read either way.
Jesse meant they're each individually kind of locked in on their choice at 2 - not that the organization as a whole was locked in on one player a week ago.
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Cervantes, got a quote from Jesse on that? They're locked in on 2? |
http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/170616-scouting-draft-jesse-buss/
MT: I know you can’t mention specific prospects, but have you learned anything over the course of the past few weeks that may have changed your mind about who you think the Lakers will take?
Buss: Once you remove yourself from the season and actually scouting players, and let your thoughts get together … you start watching tape and meet these kids for the first time … talk to their advisors and agents … their college coaches and maybe their parents … you start to really learn about the kids. It definitely has impacted my opinion, and collectively our opinion, about who we like especially at No. 2. We’ve been locked in on that. We never know who we’re selecting in May, though. It would have been someone different than who we ended up selecting. Once you really start diving into this process is when you figure out who you want to select.
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| P.K. wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Cervantes, got a quote from Jesse on that? They're locked in on 2? |
Cervantes mis-interpreted that statement, which could have been read either way.
Jesse meant they're each individually kind of locked in on their choice at 2 - not that the organization as a whole was locked in on one player a week ago. |
I didn't misinterpret (bleep)...I can read just fine P.K.
You and the few don't want to see what's been blatant to the most cursory observer throughout this process knowing Magic's at the helm.
If I'm wrong...I'll own it...but Magic will also be a dick for conducting the process this way.
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| CervantesRises wrote: | | P.K. wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Cervantes, got a quote from Jesse on that? They're locked in on 2? |
Cervantes mis-interpreted that statement, which could have been read either way.
Jesse meant they're each individually kind of locked in on their choice at 2 - not that the organization as a whole was locked in on one player a week ago. |
I didn't misinterpret (bleep)...I can read just fine P.K.
You and the few don't want to see what's been blatant to the most cursory observer throughout this process knowing Magic's at the helm.
If I'm wrong...I'll own it...but Magic will also be (bleep) for conducting the process this way. |
that article was Posted: Jun 15, 2017
The day before they worked out Ball for the 2nd time.
Before they tried to trade for Fultz
do either of those things sound like they'd already locked into Ball? No, not remotely
It's also worth noting that it was PUBLISHED on 6/15 - meaning it was probably written the day before. And the interview with Jesse may have very well taken place BEFORE they conducted JJ's 2nd workout.
that article is talking about the process Jesse and the Lakers go through in evaluating players. It talks about how that process helped him individually refine his opinion on players. How it helps the org refine their opinions on certain players
it helps them lock in on the process of deciding who to draft with the #2. " We’ve been locked in on that." You'll not is says "on THAT." Not on a specific player. "On That"
it absolutely does not say that as an organization they'd already locked into their pick at #2
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Once you remove yourself from the season and actually scouting players, and let your thoughts get together … you start watching tape and meet these kids for the first time … talk to their advisors and agents … their college coaches and maybe their parents … you start to really learn about the kids. It definitely has impacted my opinion, and collectively our opinion, about who we like especially at No. 2. We’ve been locked in on that. We never know who we’re selecting in May, though. It would have been someone different than who we ended up selecting. Once you really start diving into this process is when you figure out who you want to select.
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| Why are we talking about trading down? Have there been any reports suggesting we would? |
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