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Sentient Meat wrote: | adkindo wrote: | rogers49 wrote: | Hollywood $winger wrote: | Question for more x's and o's people here : if we can't somehow dump Deng's contract for free agent move is there any way we can use him in a very limited role as a backup 5 ?
i know thats not a dream defensive situation but in very special situations it could be a defensive nightmare for other teams trying to defend us with him out on the perimeter.
when Lopez sits:
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BI
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Never ever.
Offensive nightmare for us.
No one outside maybe Lonzo is a reliable shooter. |
Lonzo a reliable shooter? BI and Clarkson both are currently better shooters than Lonzo. |
Lonzo's shooting issues right now are like Ingram's were last year. Purely mental... Very few of his misses are because someone was closing down on him quickly... in fact the more time he had, the worse he seemed to miss. You don't shoot 55% percent for a season by accident then completely forget how to shoot. If I were Luke, I'd tell both Brandon and Lonzo to keep shooting until they start falling. Once that happens, those two will be unstoppable. |
honestly, this is wishful thinking....which is fine, but we have no idea why his shot is so poor currently. We are all just hoping it is mental. As far as his overall shooting % in college, much of that was boosted by "assisted" dunks and layups. |
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adkindo wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | adkindo wrote: | rogers49 wrote: | Hollywood $winger wrote: | Question for more x's and o's people here : if we can't somehow dump Deng's contract for free agent move is there any way we can use him in a very limited role as a backup 5 ?
i know thats not a dream defensive situation but in very special situations it could be a defensive nightmare for other teams trying to defend us with him out on the perimeter.
when Lopez sits:
Ball
BI
Deng
Randall
clarkson |
Never ever.
Offensive nightmare for us.
No one outside maybe Lonzo is a reliable shooter. |
Lonzo a reliable shooter? BI and Clarkson both are currently better shooters than Lonzo. |
Lonzo's shooting issues right now are like Ingram's were last year. Purely mental... Very few of his misses are because someone was closing down on him quickly... in fact the more time he had, the worse he seemed to miss. You don't shoot 55% percent for a season by accident then completely forget how to shoot. If I were Luke, I'd tell both Brandon and Lonzo to keep shooting until they start falling. Once that happens, those two will be unstoppable. |
honestly, this is wishful thinking....which is fine, but we have no idea why his shot is so poor currently. We are all just hoping it is mental. As far as his overall shooting % in college, much of that was boosted by "assisted" dunks and layups. |
He doesn't have his legs yet |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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mj32 wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | adkindo wrote: | rogers49 wrote: | Hollywood $winger wrote: | Question for more x's and o's people here : if we can't somehow dump Deng's contract for free agent move is there any way we can use him in a very limited role as a backup 5 ?
i know thats not a dream defensive situation but in very special situations it could be a defensive nightmare for other teams trying to defend us with him out on the perimeter.
when Lopez sits:
Ball
BI
Deng
Randall
clarkson |
Never ever.
Offensive nightmare for us.
No one outside maybe Lonzo is a reliable shooter. |
Lonzo a reliable shooter? BI and Clarkson both are currently better shooters than Lonzo. |
Lonzo's shooting issues right now are like Ingram's were last year. Purely mental... Very few of his misses are because someone was closing down on him quickly... in fact the more time he had, the worse he seemed to miss. You don't shoot 55% percent for a season by accident then completely forget how to shoot. If I were Luke, I'd tell both Brandon and Lonzo to keep shooting until they start falling. Once that happens, those two will be unstoppable. |
honestly, this is wishful thinking....which is fine, but we have no idea why his shot is so poor currently. We are all just hoping it is mental. As far as his overall shooting % in college, much of that was boosted by "assisted" dunks and layups. |
He doesn't have his legs yet |
just more speculation |
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kobeslaker Starting Rotation
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adkindo wrote: | mj32 wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | adkindo wrote: | rogers49 wrote: | Hollywood $winger wrote: | Question for more x's and o's people here : if we can't somehow dump Deng's contract for free agent move is there any way we can use him in a very limited role as a backup 5 ?
i know thats not a dream defensive situation but in very special situations it could be a defensive nightmare for other teams trying to defend us with him out on the perimeter.
when Lopez sits:
Ball
BI
Deng
Randall
clarkson |
Never ever.
Offensive nightmare for us.
No one outside maybe Lonzo is a reliable shooter. |
Lonzo a reliable shooter? BI and Clarkson both are currently better shooters than Lonzo. |
Lonzo's shooting issues right now are like Ingram's were last year. Purely mental... Very few of his misses are because someone was closing down on him quickly... in fact the more time he had, the worse he seemed to miss. You don't shoot 55% percent for a season by accident then completely forget how to shoot. If I were Luke, I'd tell both Brandon and Lonzo to keep shooting until they start falling. Once that happens, those two will be unstoppable. |
honestly, this is wishful thinking....which is fine, but we have no idea why his shot is so poor currently. We are all just hoping it is mental. As far as his overall shooting % in college, much of that was boosted by "assisted" dunks and layups. |
He doesn't have his legs yet |
just more speculation |
5 games in 9 nights and do everything through him, it must really tired. Other than that, no second facilitator around him to create shots for him. And the third, he's still taking 30 footer from time to time. |
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kobeslaker wrote: | adkindo wrote: | mj32 wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | adkindo wrote: | rogers49 wrote: | Hollywood $winger wrote: | Question for more x's and o's people here : if we can't somehow dump Deng's contract for free agent move is there any way we can use him in a very limited role as a backup 5 ?
i know thats not a dream defensive situation but in very special situations it could be a defensive nightmare for other teams trying to defend us with him out on the perimeter.
when Lopez sits:
Ball
BI
Deng
Randall
clarkson |
Never ever.
Offensive nightmare for us.
No one outside maybe Lonzo is a reliable shooter. |
Lonzo a reliable shooter? BI and Clarkson both are currently better shooters than Lonzo. |
Lonzo's shooting issues right now are like Ingram's were last year. Purely mental... Very few of his misses are because someone was closing down on him quickly... in fact the more time he had, the worse he seemed to miss. You don't shoot 55% percent for a season by accident then completely forget how to shoot. If I were Luke, I'd tell both Brandon and Lonzo to keep shooting until they start falling. Once that happens, those two will be unstoppable. |
honestly, this is wishful thinking....which is fine, but we have no idea why his shot is so poor currently. We are all just hoping it is mental. As far as his overall shooting % in college, much of that was boosted by "assisted" dunks and layups. |
He doesn't have his legs yet |
just more speculation |
5 games in 9 nights and do everything through him, it must really tired. Other than that, no second facilitator around him to create shots for him. And the third, he's still taking 30 footer from time to time. |
by that logic, his shooting would have been better early and faded as the legs faded. It has been poor in all 5 games. I hope it just mental or his tired legs, but we have no basis to make those claims now. |
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thanks ChickenStu _________________ Now Playing: The Zo Show @Staples |
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mj32 wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | adkindo wrote: | rogers49 wrote: | Hollywood $winger wrote: | Question for more x's and o's people here : if we can't somehow dump Deng's contract for free agent move is there any way we can use him in a very limited role as a backup 5 ?
i know thats not a dream defensive situation but in very special situations it could be a defensive nightmare for other teams trying to defend us with him out on the perimeter.
when Lopez sits:
Ball
BI
Deng
Randall
clarkson |
Never ever.
Offensive nightmare for us.
No one outside maybe Lonzo is a reliable shooter. |
Lonzo a reliable shooter? BI and Clarkson both are currently better shooters than Lonzo. |
Lonzo's shooting issues right now are like Ingram's were last year. Purely mental... Very few of his misses are because someone was closing down on him quickly... in fact the more time he had, the worse he seemed to miss. You don't shoot 55% percent for a season by accident then completely forget how to shoot. If I were Luke, I'd tell both Brandon and Lonzo to keep shooting until they start falling. Once that happens, those two will be unstoppable. |
honestly, this is wishful thinking....which is fine, but we have no idea why his shot is so poor currently. We are all just hoping it is mental. As far as his overall shooting % in college, much of that was boosted by "assisted" dunks and layups. |
He doesn't have his legs yet |
His lungs aren't developed yet . . . _________________ "It was tough," Kobe Bryant said. "But when it got really tough for me, I just checked myself in." |
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LakerSD wrote: | Quote: | Free agent Luc Mbah a Moute has reached an agreement with the Houston Rockets, league sources tell ESPN.
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Another very good wing defender that can hit the corner 3. Great signing.
For the minimum too! This is why you give up replaceable players for CP3, cuz you can replace them with better versions for low $$. He took the minimum and Tucker took around 10M less. |
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Derrick Rose for the back up PG _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
Max slot : Kawhi |
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Pelinka didn't mention Clarkson in his interview - trade for Belinelli IMMINENT _________________ one dog goes that way the other dog goes the other way |
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The Lakers need to sign a real PG ASAP.
Who can bring the ball down under pressure. Caruso cannot under real pressure.
At least one more true PG who can handle the ball.
Two if possible.
Don't say Clarkson for he cannot handle the ball under pressure. |
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PHILosophize wrote: | Pelinka didn't mention Clarkson in his interview - trade for Belinelli IMMINENT |
What trade ? _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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PHILosophize wrote: | Pelinka didn't mention Clarkson in his interview - trade for Belinelli IMMINENT |
tf?! _________________
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PHILosophize wrote: | Pelinka didn't mention Clarkson in his interview - trade for Belinelli IMMINENT |
I realize you're just kidding, but actually the way Pelinka talks about our having 2Max already is essentially saying I either have a deal to get Deng off the books or I'm trading Jordan. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night. |
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PHILosophize wrote: | Pelinka didn't mention Clarkson in his interview - trade for Belinelli IMMINENT |
I'm down.
Ball/Ennis
KCP/Belinelli/Hart
Ingram/Brewer
Randle/Nance/Kuzma/Deng
Lopez/Zubac/Bryant _________________ In Rob I trust. |
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Laker's Fan wrote: | PHILosophize wrote: | Pelinka didn't mention Clarkson in his interview - trade for Belinelli IMMINENT |
I realize you're just kidding, but actually the way Pelinka talks about our having 2Max already is essentially saying I either have a deal to get Deng off the books or I'm trading Jordan. |
Both. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Omar Little wrote: | Laker's Fan wrote: | PHILosophize wrote: | Pelinka didn't mention Clarkson in his interview - trade for Belinelli IMMINENT |
I realize you're just kidding, but actually the way Pelinka talks about our having 2Max already is essentially saying I either have a deal to get Deng off the books or I'm trading Jordan. |
Both. |
Gonna be super interesting to see how they go about moving those deals |
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if you had to pick Wear or Thomas for that second 2way contract.. who would u go with? they both made a case during the summer league.
and anyone else scouting other teams? any names that jump out? _________________ speak it into existence |
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romeo wrote: | if you had to pick Wear or Thomas for that second 2way contract.. who would u go with? they both made a case during the summer league.
and anyone else scouting other teams? any names that jump out? |
BLUE _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | Laker's Fan wrote: | PHILosophize wrote: | Pelinka didn't mention Clarkson in his interview - trade for Belinelli IMMINENT |
I realize you're just kidding, but actually the way Pelinka talks about our having 2Max already is essentially saying I either have a deal to get Deng off the books or I'm trading Jordan. |
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God knows I've put forth enough Deng trade ideas for Rob to have stolen one of them and pulled something off. But in case he hasn't yet, here's another one, what with the Blazers trying to toss their hat into the Melo sweepstakes.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y99kezaf
Lakers in: Faried, Barton
Lakers out: Deng, Zubac, 2020 1st (top-10 protected), 2019 CHI 2nd
Knicks in: Deng, Ed Davis, Zubac, 2018 POR 1st, 2019 CHI 2nd, 2020 LA 1st
Knicks out: Melo
Blazers in: Melo
Blazers out: Crabbe, Davis, 2018 1st, 2020 1st
Nuggets in: Crabbe, 2020 POR 1st
Nuggets out: Faried, Barton
Why the Lakers do it: We give up a similar package to what I've suggested in a possible Deng-to-CHI deal. But this time, Faried contract is not expiring, and Barton is pretty helpful. That said, Faried shouldn't be that difficult to move, as he's a useful player. Maybe we could even look to flip him immediately, given that we, too, have a logjam at the 4.
Why the Knicks do it: With the Blazers apparently desperate to get Melo, the Knicks get a second 1st round pick out of this, and this one's a 2018 pick. I think that it would be worth it for them to absorb Deng if they got back two 1st rounders and Zubac, and the CHI 2019 2nd is about as valuable a 2nd round pick as there can be.
Why the Blazers do it: As discussed, they want to surround their backcourt duo with another star. They give up 2 first round picks here, in 2018 and 2020, but they also get Crabbe's money off the books, which is why the 2020 1st goes to the Nuggets. They also shed Ed Davis here as necessary salary filler.
Why the Nuggets do it: Although Crabbe is due a lot of money, they do shed Faried's remaining $26MM or so, and he is the odd man out there. Barton is someone they are very unlikely to retain past this season anyway, and Crabbe gives them another shooter for the next 3 years (to add to Gary Harris, a guy they will have around for a while). Not only is Crabbe a better fit for their squad than Faried is, but they pick up a future 2020 1st in this scenario, which isn't too shabby considering how badly they want to dump Faried. |
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^I don't trade any of our assets as part of a Deng or Clarkson package unless it gets us directly to the 2018 cap space. The assumption that any contract is easy to move (once we no longer have those assets) is a very risk one, and one not worth taking IMO. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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LakerSanity wrote: | ^I don't trade any of our assets as part of a Deng or Clarkson package unless it gets us directly to the 2018 cap space. The assumption that any contract is easy to move (once we no longer have those assets) is a very risk one, and one not worth taking IMO. |
I'd still do it, if the cost is Zubac and not, say, any of Ball/Ingram/Kuzma/Hart/Nance. I was as high on Zu as anyone last year, but the more I think about it, I don't think he's going to make a difference for us in our next championship run.
That said, let me try to come up with a trade right now where we give up Faried. LOL. |
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LakerSanity wrote: | ^I don't trade any of our assets as part of a Deng or Clarkson package unless it gets us directly to the 2018 cap space. The assumption that any contract is easy to move (once we no longer have those assets) is a very risk one, and one not worth taking IMO. |
Agreed. I'd rather have the prerequisite 2018 cap space now and not fret about making trades later. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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^^
Maybe we could route Faried to yet another team if we give up that Denver 2018 2nd. A team that actually is almost totally devoid of young talent at the 4 is the Nets. Maybe something like Faried to the Nets, along with the Denver pick, for Trevor Booker's expiring would work. The Nets should be trying to surround Dlo and their other young players with as many decent NBA players as possible at this point, and if they can get a pick out of it, it could make sense for them. |
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Another one is Faried to the Cavs for Frye and Jefferson. Frye wasn't even in their rotation by the end of the playoffs, and Faried is the only other player like Tristan Thompson that they would have on their roster. (An activity/energy big.)
Frye and Jefferson are expirings, and Luke and Jefferson are reunited and it feels so good. We probably wouldn't even have to give up a pick for them to do this. |
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