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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:24 am    Post subject:

As others have pointed out if players on our team break out this year who are due for a new contract realistically they are going to be seeking big dollars, possibly max so you could only really sign 2...so are there any 2 players on the Lakers due for a new contract who are going to be better than signing

Bron and any other big name guy PG 13, WB, Cousins, etc.


I think the answers is no.....it's a bit brutal but I hope some of your guys play well enough to warrant that type of money so we could move them at the trade deadline with Deng.

If Ball even as a rookie plays generally how we think he can, which is at the very least really having a nice handle on the game tempo and BI makes some decent progression, along the lines of what he showed in his 1 game in SL. Then the lakers have a real shot with that available cap at landing 2 major guys
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:34 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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Not sure how we could keep KCP/Lopez/Jules.

At best you can keep 2 of them, and no, that's not enough for a contender.
pretty sure we can keep all our guys, we just can't sign anyone else. that's why we have the cap holds, no?


I'm including Jules cap hold.

KCP and Lopez would have to split 28m assuming we get pg13.


You're considering a scenario where we stretch Deng, right? Let's assume we can move Deng and JC for future picks; not likely, but, who knows?

We have 7 players under contract making around $ 22M (Lonzo, Ingram, Ennis, Nance, Kuzma, Hart and Zubac) + $ 1M for Bryant = $ 23M. Julius' cap hold is around $ 12M and PG-13 max contract, about $ 30M.

Assuming something like $ 102M in Cap Space for 2018, we still have $ 37M for Lopez, KCP and 3 more players (plus vet mins and exceptions), as long as we sign Julius last. I can see KCP and Lopez signing for $ 18M or so, each.

But, if we're able to dump only Clarkson for picks/expirings (that's not hard) and stretch Deng's contract, the impact would be around $7,2M, so we'd have $ 30M to split between Lopez and KCP, which is still doable, depending on how they feel about the team.

We need a solid 7-man rotation to be competitive and Ball / Pope / George / Ingram / Kuzma / Randle / Lopez is quite a good one.


KCP turned down a 5 year/80m deal. That's about 16m/year. I doubt he's splitting 30m with Lopez.

Not sure if KCP/Lopez are enough to lure PG13 here. I would be fine with that but not sure it's enough.


About the "lure PG13", I'm counting on the numerous reports saying he wants to be a Laker. AFAIK, it all started before any of the LeBron or 2Max talk. I know a lot can happen in one year and he can change his mind, but at this point, it's easier for him to come to this team than to the one we had.

About KCP, considering the best he got was a 1yr/$ 18M contract, he might have regretted not taking that offer.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:36 am    Post subject:

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About the "lure PG13", I'm counting on the numerous reports saying he wants to be a Laker. AFAIK, it all started before any of the LeBron or 2Max talk. I know a lot can happen in one year and he can change his mind, but at this point, it's easier for him to come to this team than to the one we had.

About KCP, considering the best he got was a 1yr/$ 18M contract, he might have regretted not taking that offer.


But recently he intimated that it would take another star to get him to the Lakers (b/c he's playing with one right now in OKC).
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:50 am    Post subject:

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About the "lure PG13", I'm counting on the numerous reports saying he wants to be a Laker. AFAIK, it all started before any of the LeBron or 2Max talk. I know a lot can happen in one year and he can change his mind, but at this point, it's easier for him to come to this team than to the one we had.

About KCP, considering the best he got was a 1yr/$ 18M contract, he might have regretted not taking that offer.


But recently he intimated that it would take another star to get him to the Lakers (b/c he's playing with one right now in OKC).


Once he sees the offensive Juggernaut that the Lakers become with all the easy scoring, PG will come especially after a year of playing My turn, Your turn offense in OKC.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: Extrapolating a little bit into the future

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I really don't want Lebron on the Lakers, his better days are behind him and I just don't think he is good for the franchise with his "If I don't win, I'll go somewhere else" attitude. I don't really want the young core broken up to bring in old vets to win today.

So, thinking ahead a couple seasons, BIG IF,

a. Ingram develops into a really really good all around player and the Lakers go to guy as people like Magic predict
b. Lonzo Ball and his passing and leadership unites the team and makes the offense smooth as silk
c. Randle finally learns to shoot and becomes a pretty good all around 4 and pretty good back up 5
d. The Lakers keep Lopez who many here said is a "top TBD' center with a great offensive game and 3 ball
e. Nance continues his all around smart game plus improves his shooting
f. KCP turns out to be a really good two way player with a really good 3 ball
g. Kuzma fulfills his Summer League potential

Could the Lakers be a contender?

My point is, do they actually need "Superstar" players? The only real superstars in the past few years I can think of are Kobe and Lebron and if you go back far enough, Duncan.

I wouldn't mind adding Paul George though. If KCP could be the back up SG. But would he do that?

I imagine some players would have to play at a discount. That's the only way the Warriors make it happen by having guys like Durant take pay cuts to play for a championship team.

Curry, Thompson, Green and even Durant are really really really good players, but I don't know if they are superstars like Kobe, Lebron, Magic, Bird, Kareem.

The Warriors just have a strong all around team and they play really well together.


Specialist-based teams who went on to win NBA championship(s) without a "superstar" have been seen in the past. The most recent Detroit win of an NBA championship comes to mind, as does the lone Seattle title from 1978-79. Chemistry, fit counts heavily towards chances. We Laker fans are probably the most spoiled in the league historically, having watched championships won pretty much one way only, that is, using two or more eventual HoF guys per title year.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: Extrapolating a little bit into the future

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I really don't want Lebron on the Lakers, his better days are behind him and I just don't think he is good for the franchise with his "If I don't win, I'll go somewhere else" attitude. I don't really want the young core broken up to bring in old vets to win today.

So, thinking ahead a couple seasons, BIG IF,

a. Ingram develops into a really really good all around player and the Lakers go to guy as people like Magic predict
b. Lonzo Ball and his passing and leadership unites the team and makes the offense smooth as silk
c. Randle finally learns to shoot and becomes a pretty good all around 4 and pretty good back up 5
d. The Lakers keep Lopez who many here said is a "top TBD' center with a great offensive game and 3 ball
e. Nance continues his all around smart game plus improves his shooting
f. KCP turns out to be a really good two way player with a really good 3 ball
g. Kuzma fulfills his Summer League potential

Could the Lakers be a contender?

My point is, do they actually need "Superstar" players? The only real superstars in the past few years I can think of are Kobe and Lebron and if you go back far enough, Duncan.

I wouldn't mind adding Paul George though. If KCP could be the back up SG. But would he do that?

I imagine some players would have to play at a discount. That's the only way the Warriors make it happen by having guys like Durant take pay cuts to play for a championship team.

Curry, Thompson, Green and even Durant are really really really good players, but I don't know if they are superstars like Kobe, Lebron, Magic, Bird, Kareem.

The Warriors just have a strong all around team and they play really well together.
durant is now officially a superstar like bron. so is curry. klay is 2nd tier since he's a great two way player. Draymond is the best 3rd fiddle you can find in the nba right now since he does everything. he can drop 20 if need be, hit 3s if need be, lead the team in assist if need be. lead the team in rebounds if need be and guard the best person on the opposing team..if need be.

lebron is not a superstar like kobe, magic, bird, kareem. you know this because how he has to chase the talent in order for him to sniff the finals. he's just better than most in todays era due to his ridiculous size, strength, athleticism, and ability to finish with either hand.
with all that said. in your scenario, NO we would not be contenders unless gstate aged out quickly or guys started leaving to go elsewhere. You will have to fight fire with fire to beat GSW. and i agree. i dont want bron either. but he's probably coming anyway.

You give me pg13, a much improved BI, a superb Zo ball, a resign of Lopez and toss in a phenomal shooter that can also play defense, and give me say anthony davis on the side. then we could be contenders.


imagine if gstate goes small

but you answer with an improved Randle, Adavis, Pg 13, BI and ZO.

in essence. our small ball will on paper be better than theirs. because we have longer guys that are just as mobile. which means if they miss. we will get those rebounds. no 2nd chance points at all. this makes guys real tight to know they wont have multiple chances to make score. you better make it on the first try or else. in addition we could score multiple ways on that small lineup . we could run them or kill them in the half court. you have ZO posting up Steph a lot. making him work on both ends. tiring him out. now he bricks a few that he normally makes. we rebound those. and now we have a chance to beat them. durant could actually be in foul trouble trying to guard AD or so could green depending on how we played it. stick randle on green and AD on KD.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:21 am    Post subject:

av3773 wrote:
As others have pointed out if players on our team break out this year who are due for a new contract realistically they are going to be seeking big dollars, possibly max so you could only really sign 2...so are there any 2 players on the Lakers due for a new contract who are going to be better than signing

Bron and any other big name guy PG 13, WB, Cousins, etc.


I think the answers is no.....it's a bit brutal but I hope some of your guys play well enough to warrant that type of money so we could move them at the trade deadline with Deng.

If Ball even as a rookie plays generally how we think he can, which is at the very least really having a nice handle on the game tempo and BI makes some decent progression, along the lines of what he showed in his 1 game in SL. Then the lakers have a real shot with that available cap at landing 2 major guys


The difference is that you can likely re-sign your own players but guys like Lebron and George likely aren't coming.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:25 am    Post subject:

I am not a Lebron fan but it is ridiculous to say his better days are behind him when he's coming off arguably his best season. I would welcome Bron to the Lakers with open arms even though have rooted against him his entire career. Even next year at the age of 34 he would still be AT WORST a top 3 player in the league. He's physical freak that hasnt sustained any major injuries so I believe he can play at a top 5 player in the league level for another 3-4 years.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:28 am    Post subject: Re: Extrapolating a little bit into the future

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Lakerpark wrote:
I really don't want Lebron on the Lakers, his better days are behind him and I just don't think he is good for the franchise with his "If I don't win, I'll go somewhere else" attitude. I don't really want the young core broken up to bring in old vets to win today.

So, thinking ahead a couple seasons, BIG IF,

a. Ingram develops into a really really good all around player and the Lakers go to guy as people like Magic predict
b. Lonzo Ball and his passing and leadership unites the team and makes the offense smooth as silk
c. Randle finally learns to shoot and becomes a pretty good all around 4 and pretty good back up 5
d. The Lakers keep Lopez who many here said is a "top TBD' center with a great offensive game and 3 ball
e. Nance continues his all around smart game plus improves his shooting
f. KCP turns out to be a really good two way player with a really good 3 ball
g. Kuzma fulfills his Summer League potential

Could the Lakers be a contender?

My point is, do they actually need "Superstar" players? The only real superstars in the past few years I can think of are Kobe and Lebron and if you go back far enough, Duncan.

I wouldn't mind adding Paul George though. If KCP could be the back up SG. But would he do that?

I imagine some players would have to play at a discount. That's the only way the Warriors make it happen by having guys like Durant take pay cuts to play for a championship team.

Curry, Thompson, Green and even Durant are really really really good players, but I don't know if they are superstars like Kobe, Lebron, Magic, Bird, Kareem.

The Warriors just have a strong all around team and they play really well together.


Specialist-based teams who went on to win NBA championship(s) without a "superstar" have been seen in the past. The most recent Detroit win of an NBA championship comes to mind, as does the lone Seattle title from 1978-79. Chemistry, fit counts heavily towards chances. We Laker fans are probably the most spoiled in the league historically, having watched championships won pretty much one way only, that is, using two or more eventual HoF guys per title year.

not happening again anytime soon with the rise of super teams where a majority of the league's best players want to shamelessly join up together.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:32 am    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
how does one extrapolate into the future?



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