Compared to other bench scorers clarkson has a great contract, especially based on what other players will get in 2018.
It doesn't fit with the 2 max scenario, so if we do that then we have to move him. But that doesn't suddenly make his contract bad, imo
Here's to hoping our entire team plays excellent next year and we don't need to move anyone after all
FWIW, here were the NBA 6th men votes for last year (JC didn't get a vote). He makes about the same or more than the bolded.
Gordon, Eric (Hou.)
Iguodala, Andre (G.S.)
Williams, Lou (Hou.) Randolph, Zach (Mem.)
Johnson, James (Mia.)
Monroe, Greg (Mil.)
Crawford, Jamal (LA-C)
Kanter, Enes (OKC.)
Mills, Patty (S.A.)
Hardaway Jr., Tim (Atl.)
Carter, Vince (Mem.)
Johnson, Tyler (Mia.)
Brogdon, Malcolm (Mil.)
I don't think JC's contract is a terrible one. But i'm not convinced it's a great deal either. It is moveable if necessary, but just hate how our 2018 plans are so transparent. I'm hoping teams don't make us pay an extra premium to get cap space.
I look at that list and go right to the top. Clarkson and Gordon are comparable in stats, on court production and salary. . The only area that Gordon pulls away is 3pt%. An area Clarkson needs to improve.
I remain optimistic that Clarkson can and will improve. From comments, it seems like he is embracing the sixth man role. Can see him doing well in this year's voting. It will depend on his mpg and attempts. A little defense would be nice too!
Going to be interesting to see how his role looks this season. First guard off the bench seems reasonable. Prefer he proves his value and makes thoughts of trading him less desirable. Or at the very least a nice 1st rd pick value.
And for the first three games that Pope is suspended I see Clarkson starting.
Compared to other bench scorers clarkson has a great contract, especially based on what other players will get in 2018.
It doesn't fit with the 2 max scenario, so if we do that then we have to move him. But that doesn't suddenly make his contract bad, imo
Here's to hoping our entire team plays excellent next year and we don't need to move anyone after all
FWIW, here were the NBA 6th men votes for last year (JC didn't get a vote). He makes about the same or more than the bolded.
Gordon, Eric (Hou.)
Iguodala, Andre (G.S.)
Williams, Lou (Hou.) Randolph, Zach (Mem.)
Johnson, James (Mia.)
Monroe, Greg (Mil.)
Crawford, Jamal (LA-C)
Kanter, Enes (OKC.)
Mills, Patty (S.A.)
Hardaway Jr., Tim (Atl.)
Carter, Vince (Mem.)
Johnson, Tyler (Mia.)
Brogdon, Malcolm (Mil.)
I don't think JC's contract is a terrible one. But i'm not convinced it's a great deal either. It is moveable if necessary, but just hate how our 2018 plans are so transparent. I'm hoping teams don't make us pay an extra premium to get cap space.
I look at that list and go right to the top. Clarkson and Gordon are comparable in stats, on court production and salary. . The only area that Gordon pulls away is 3pt%. An area Clarkson needs to improve.
I remain optimistic that Clarkson can and will improve. From comments, it seems like he is embracing the sixth man role. Can see him doing well in this year's voting. It will depend on his mpg and attempts. A little defense would be nice too!
Going to be interesting to see how his role looks this season. First guard off the bench seems reasonable. Prefer he proves his value and makes thoughts of trading him less desirable. Or at the very least a nice 1st rd pick value.
And for the first three games that Pope is suspended I see Clarkson starting.
Luke has refused to start JC in those situations. I think he wants to keep his whole unit approach (which i'm not a fan of). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Kind of unfair to compare JC to 6th man candidates. I mean, is there even one 6th man on a lottery team on that list?
That's the fair comparison. The Lakers want and believe he can be a 6MOY level player this year and at his price, it is a fair comparison. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Kind of unfair to compare JC to 6th man candidates. I mean, is there even one 6th man on a lottery team on that list?
That's the fair comparison. The Lakers want and believe he can be a 6MOY level player this year and at his price, it is a fair comparison.
Also, they probably want him to win it because it would be a nice leveraging tool in trade talks next summer. You can't tell me that's part of the reason too. _________________ I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying.
Kind of unfair to compare JC to 6th man candidates. I mean, is there even one 6th man on a lottery team on that list?
That's the fair comparison. The Lakers want and believe he can be a 6MOY level player this year and at his price, it is a fair comparison.
Also, they probably want him to win it because it would be a nice leveraging tool in trade talks next summer. You can't tell me that's part of the reason too.
If he has a good first few months, he'll be moved at the deadline. Players like JC are more a luxury for teams that are in the playoffs.
As much as I like JC, it's a hell of an exaggeration. Not considering Lonzo, Ingram and Russell, they left out: Julius Randle, Nick van Exel, Eddie Jones, Vlade Divac, AC Green, Elden Campbell, Michael Cooper, Norm Nixon e surely some older guys I don't know. _________________ ....
Kind of unfair to compare JC to 6th man candidates. I mean, is there even one 6th man on a lottery team on that list?
That's the fair comparison. The Lakers want and believe he can be a 6MOY level player this year and at his price, it is a fair comparison.
Also, they probably want him to win it because it would be a nice leveraging tool in trade talks next summer. You can't tell me that's part of the reason too.
If he has a good first few months, he'll be moved at the deadline. Players like JC are more a luxury for teams that are in the playoffs.
Steve Nash was said to be at the facility working out with Lonzo. I hope to God that JC crashed that party _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:01 pm Post subject:
manlisten wrote:
Steve Nash was said to be at the facility working out with Lonzo. I hope to God that JC crashed that party
Same. the best JC ever looked was when he was working closely with Nash in his rookie year. Best blend of passing/scoring. Maybe it was the fact that he was our only ball-handler and knew he was going to get 30 plus minutes a night, but you could see the nash influence in him (rarely picked up his dribble, particularly in the paint) and the headiness. Since then, he mostly looks like a chicken with its head cut off
Steve Nash was said to be at the facility working out with Lonzo. I hope to God that JC crashed that party
Same. the best JC ever looked was when he was working closely with Nash in his rookie year. Best blend of passing/scoring. Maybe it was the fact that he was our only ball-handler and knew he was going to get 30 plus minutes a night, but you could see the nash influence in him (rarely picked up his dribble, particularly in the paint) and the headiness. Since then, he mostly looks like a chicken with its head cut off
Can you imagine if JC/DLO/Lonzo had Nash's tutelage? Sad that we couldn't keep Nash in that respect. He's a PG whisperer. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:29 pm Post subject:
FreakofNature wrote:
Ziggy wrote:
True Lakers Fan wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
Kind of unfair to compare JC to 6th man candidates. I mean, is there even one 6th man on a lottery team on that list?
That's the fair comparison. The Lakers want and believe he can be a 6MOY level player this year and at his price, it is a fair comparison.
Also, they probably want him to win it because it would be a nice leveraging tool in trade talks next summer. You can't tell me that's part of the reason too.
If he has a good first few months, he'll be moved at the deadline. Players like JC are more a luxury for teams that are in the playoffs.
I just hope he doesn't suffer a serious injury. About the only thing that can derail the Lebron train, IMO, is if they can't clear enough salary, and he's the best target, atm. The most prudent action would be to trade him before he can step on the floor again.
Kind of unfair to compare JC to 6th man candidates. I mean, is there even one 6th man on a lottery team on that list?
That's the fair comparison. The Lakers want and believe he can be a 6MOY level player this year and at his price, it is a fair comparison.
Haha my reply is a month late, sorry.
What I meant was, 6MOY candidates are on winning teams. We are not a winning team.
So the comparison with 1GOB (1st Guy Off Bench) for losing teams would be ... fairer.
That's why I asked if there has ever been a 6th man of the year recipient on a lottery team. Maybe there is, but, it's probably a rarity if ever at all.
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