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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:32 am    Post subject:

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Anyone worried that Melo may be the 2nd "max" next summer with LBJ via trade?


Are you thinking lakers are in on melo? Anything is possible but I think melo is dead set on Houston.

My vibe lately (and this is just imo) is that Lebron is the one coming for sure. PG13 I'm not quite sure, he could go either way. I feel like their plan is getting Lebron in and then Lebron can recruit someone else, whether it be PG13, Cousins, Westbrook or another star.


If no PG13/Boogie/WB, I can see (gulp) the Lakers taking Melo of the Knicks' hands as a backup plan.


Yeah that's not far fetched. It's Baaadddd but I could see it happening if they swing and miss on the 2nd max. Let's hope this never happens.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:23 am    Post subject:

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With NY and Houston seeking a 3rd team, we should try to get back Ariza.


We can try this trade with cash and a pick going back to New York.

TRADE


lol that's a wild trade


Why is there always some Laker fans that want the same former players back? Ariza was solid in his time in LA but he is passed his prime. Time to discover new talent. Whats in your memories wont always translate to current situation.


Agreed plus Houston stated that they are not trying to move Ariza. That ship sailed long ago.


Houston is not really in the drivers seat considering they want Melo.

I don't care about Ariza, I care about expiring deals.

In New Yorks mind, I would imagine they would rather lose Melo for nothing next summer than to get saddled with Ryan Anderson's contract for 3 years.

At least in my proposal they get Deng but they get a nice young talent in Randle.


They would rather lose Melo for nothing than two more years of Deng. And Randle is a FA so that is another reason to just let Melo expire.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:38 am    Post subject:

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I understand these trades are being suggested in order to satisfy the obsession with max salary but they are so far from my preference they are depressing me.

Because I have a sinking feeling the FO is also sitting around coming up with similar crazy trade ideas to gut the team for the dream of 2 max slots next summer.

I like this roster. Prefer they play it out ans see what they have before trading away young talent. Can easily re-assess next summer when they actually have an idea of what they have on the roster.


I agree, but you can be assured that they'd never make such a stupid deal. Next year they have two max slots if they move Clarkson or Randle, not both. If it's a matter of a couple million dollars, any FA that wants to come to LA will take it. There's no point in doing anything now.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:39 am    Post subject:

Randle is a RESTRICTED free agent.

Totally different.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:48 am    Post subject:

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The Lakers don't need to worry about the Warriors. By 2019, when they have a shot at competing, the Warriors will not be able to keep the big 4 together. At that point, their Luxury Tax bill will be almost 100 million, there's no way the owners will pay that, no way.



They're going to make so much money off their new arena and the PSLs that they are going to make their STHs pay for when they move that Lacob may very well be able to afford previously unheard of taxes- at least for a few years longer than anyone previously thought.

They may be able to keep it together financially until the team starts to decline because of age, injuries or other issues. Their new arena is going to put them in a financial class that only the Lakers and Knicks currently occupy.

I wouldn't count on that. PSL's are a one time source of income. The economics aren't there. Look at this graphic
https://mobile.twitter.com/JonesOnTheNBA/status/881739726213873664/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Flarrybrownsports.com%2Fbasketball%2Fwarriors-1-2-billion-luxury-taxes-four-years%2F379687
No NBA team has that kind of revenue stream, not even the Lakers. Ownership would need to forego all profits and supplement several hundred millions of dollars in operating costs. That is not going to happen. The Luxury Tax was set at 4.50 to 1.00 to control team spending. No team can afford to lose that much.


The numbers are interesting. They will resign Durant in 2018, make another title run, and consider major roster changes in 2019. Dominance for two more years.

I think if they can keep the big four at around 130M, they will. The ring chasers will join at low salary, and it's possible to keep the team dominant at around 150M.


About $150 million equals $250 million with taxes. That won't happen


Agreed. I don't see how anyone can say with a straight face that GS will for sure 'pay whatever'. With no changes to the roster they will spend $1.2B over the next four years just on slalary and luxury tax.

They are currently worth $2.6B. No sane person is spending close to half of a firm's value on salary and tax over a four year period.


Disagree the past 3 years they've managed to increase their earnings each year 2015 168 million 2016 201 million 2017 301 million if they continue that trend I don't see why they wouldn't be able to pay them.


They are going to move in the new arena in San Francisco Downtown in a short time, owners already said many times they'll pay whatever taxes are needed to win.

The arena won't be opening until 2019-2020, that's hardly around the corner. At that point their player salary obligations would be $375 million a year. They showed $303 million in total revenue last year. Revenue jumped dramatically in 2016 because of the new TV deal. There won't be a similar jump in revenue in the coming years
Expenses also include coaches salaries, support staff, travel expenses, advertising and debt service for the new arena. What would you expect ownership to say " Sorry, even if we're winning we can't afford to lose that much money"?
What's the good news? The Lakers will be much better positioned financially than the Warriors, or any other club in the coming years.


2019 is exactly whey younsaid they'll dismantle a dynasty winning team.
as you can see, odds of it happening are about -20,000%


They have a couple more years to keep the Big 4 together.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:51 am    Post subject:

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Randle is a RESTRICTED free agent.

Totally different.


With his cap hold they'd have to renounce him or move Clarkson to free up enough cap space for two max slots.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:52 am    Post subject:

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Here is one more for max cap clearance.

TRADE

Bucks get good return for Monroe.

Rockets get a starting lineup of Paul, Harden, Melo, Ryan Anderson and Capela.

Knicks get 6th man of the year along with a very fit Julius Randle and perhaps a future pick from the Rockets or Lakers.

Lakers get decent bench players, clear playing time at PF for Kuzma (though Nance would start) AND max cap space next summer!


Knicks get reamed on that one. Actually whoever gets Deng in any trade gets reamed.


Considering they want to get rid of Melo, getting Randle and Gordon along Deng is not a bad thing for a rebuilding team. They keep Deng around for one year or two, stretch his contract and get a 6MOTY, plus a very good fit to pair with Kristaps.

Among all the crazy trading ideas people post around here, that's one of the best. It's hard to pull it with 4 team, but I see clear gains for all teams involved.


Knicks would be better off just clearing space and taking on future (cheap) assets like draft picks + rookies/sophomores. Randle is about to get paid and Gordon does nothing for them (what do they have to play for this year?). Why make your books worse by taking on Deng and either keeping or stretching him. I'd riot if our FO did something like this.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:54 am    Post subject:

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Randle is a RESTRICTED free agent.

Totally different.


Yes, they can get 2 years out of him before he walks as a UFA. And 2 years of Deng. Compared to one year of Melo. Horrible deal for them unless they are dumping Noah in the process.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:57 am    Post subject:

Mike Dunleavey is a FA and he can provide some stretch offense, maybe we add him to TC roster?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:41 am    Post subject:

rock0100 wrote:
Here is one more for max cap clearance.

TRADE

Bucks get good return for Monroe.

Rockets get a starting lineup of Paul, Harden, Melo, Ryan Anderson and Capela.

Knicks get 6th man of the year along with a very fit Julius Randle and perhaps a future pick from the Rockets or Lakers.

Lakers get decent bench players, clear playing time at PF for Kuzma (though Nance would start) AND max cap space next summer!


That's pretty idiotic trade, you don't trade Randle and JC for nothing before you know you can get two max players.

If you don't get two max players, at least you can get a 1st round pick for Randle, not just salary dump.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:48 am    Post subject:

The tank mentality lives on.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:57 am    Post subject:

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The tank mentality lives on.


There is difference between tank mentality and doing something stupid that will ruin next summer for us.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:59 am    Post subject:

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The tank mentality lives on.


There is difference between tank mentality and doing something stupid that will ruin next summer for us.


Well we haven't done anything stupid so we need to keep it that way.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:40 am    Post subject:

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As @PeterVecsey1 stated on podcast: Phil Jackson wanted to deal Kristaps Porzingis for #1 pick to draft Lonzo Ball.

FWIW, it's Peter Vecsey. According to him, Fultz would have gone to the Lakers, Porky to the Celtics, and Lonzo to the Knicks.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:45 am    Post subject:

https://twitter.com/slamonline/status/896070785558650880

Kyrie wants to play for Clippers. I'm sure the NBA would love a Lebron vs. Kyrie LA storyline
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:46 am    Post subject:

didnt phil get fired
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:48 am    Post subject:

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As @PeterVecsey1 stated on podcast: Phil Jackson wanted to deal Kristaps Porzingis for #1 pick to draft Lonzo Ball.

FWIW, it's Peter Vecsey. According to him, Fultz would have gone to the Lakers, Porky to the Celtics, and Lonzo to the Knicks.


Interesting. Maybe Phil learned some things about direction of NBA into fast paced ball movement. RIP #triangleoffense
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As @PeterVecsey1 stated on podcast: Phil Jackson wanted to deal Kristaps Porzingis for #1 pick to draft Lonzo Ball.

FWIW, it's Peter Vecsey. According to him, Fultz would have gone to the Lakers, Porky to the Celtics, and Lonzo to the Knicks.


Interesting. Maybe Phil learned some things about direction of NBA into fast paced ball movement. RIP #triangleoffense
Phil would have likely ruined Lonzo. And media jabs between Lavar and Phil would have been epic
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:06 am    Post subject:

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https://twitter.com/slamonline/status/896070785558650880

Kyrie wants to play for Clippers. I'm sure the NBA would love a Lebron vs. Kyrie LA storyline

Which is hilarious, because the Cavs could've probably just done a Kyrie/CP3 swap about a month and a half ago
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:17 am    Post subject:

AY2043 wrote:
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https://twitter.com/slamonline/status/896070785558650880

Kyrie wants to play for Clippers. I'm sure the NBA would love a Lebron vs. Kyrie LA storyline

Which is hilarious, because the Cavs could've probably just done a Kyrie/CP3 swap about a month and a half ago


This is true
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:19 am    Post subject:

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https://twitter.com/slamonline/status/896070785558650880

Kyrie wants to play for Clippers. I'm sure the NBA would love a Lebron vs. Kyrie LA storyline

Which is hilarious, because the Cavs could've probably just done a Kyrie/CP3 swap about a month and a half ago


This is true


so glad it never happened! Would have kept the dippers in the conversation
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:21 am    Post subject:

When was the last time Peter Vecsey was relevant?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:22 am    Post subject:

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As @PeterVecsey1 stated on podcast: Phil Jackson wanted to deal Kristaps Porzingis for #1 pick to draft Lonzo Ball.

FWIW, it's Peter Vecsey. According to him, Fultz would have gone to the Lakers, Porky to the Celtics, and Lonzo to the Knicks.


Interesting. Maybe Phil learned some things about direction of NBA into fast paced ball movement. RIP #triangleoffense


Huh? Lonzo's like the perfect Triangle PG, and the system has nothing to do with transition pace.

I predicted Phil wanted Lonzo. In terms of basketball it was too much of a fit. He might have had a chance if Boston didn't trade with Philly.
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As @PeterVecsey1 stated on podcast: Phil Jackson wanted to deal Kristaps Porzingis for #1 pick to draft Lonzo Ball.

FWIW, it's Peter Vecsey. According to him, Fultz would have gone to the Lakers, Porky to the Celtics, and Lonzo to the Knicks.


Interesting. Maybe Phil learned some things about direction of NBA into fast paced ball movement. RIP #triangleoffense


Huh? Lonzo's like the perfect Triangle PG, and the system has nothing to do with transition pace.

I predicted Phil wanted Lonzo. In terms of basketball it was too much of a fit. He might have had a chance if Boston didn't trade with Philly.


Triangle offense is dead imo. It's just too inefficient in the modern NBA game.

Lonzo is going to run, run, run in transition. When it's half court possessions, there will be a lot of passing guys open, cuts, screens, etc. in a nutshell a lot of Ball movement.

The triangle offense would be effective if it's a quick decision making with sharp shooters, but honestly today's NBA is about all 5 guys contributing. Triangle and Iso ball won't get you far imo.
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As @PeterVecsey1 stated on podcast: Phil Jackson wanted to deal Kristaps Porzingis for #1 pick to draft Lonzo Ball.

FWIW, it's Peter Vecsey. According to him, Fultz would have gone to the Lakers, Porky to the Celtics, and Lonzo to the Knicks.


Interesting. Maybe Phil learned some things about direction of NBA into fast paced ball movement. RIP #triangleoffense


Huh? Lonzo's like the perfect Triangle PG, and the system has nothing to do with transition pace.

I predicted Phil wanted Lonzo. In terms of basketball it was too much of a fit. He might have had a chance if Boston didn't trade with Philly.


Triangle offense is dead imo. It's just too inefficient in the modern NBA game.

Lonzo is going to run, run, run in transition. When it's half court possessions, there will be a lot of passing guys open, cuts, screens, etc. in a nutshell a lot of Ball movement.

The triangle offense would be effective if it's a quick decision making with sharp shooters, but honestly today's NBA is about all 5 guys contributing. Triangle and Iso ball won't get you far imo.


That makes no sense. Both the Spurs and Dubs' offense are influenced by the Triangle. Triangle and ISO ball are nowhere near synonymous. What you described as all 5 guys contributing, ball movement, quick cuts and screens is the Triangle.



I think you might have it in your head that the Triangle is walking the ball up court, standing in one spot trying to get the ball into Shaq for 15 seconds or Kobe/Jordan going ISO. That's not what it is at all.
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