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| LakerSanity wrote: | I think about 2/3 of the Trump voters voted for him and, of those, probably 90% would have voted for any Republican candidate. The remaining 1/3, IMO, voted for Trump because either a) he wasn't Hillary or b) because they thought "why not?" and just wanted a non-politician. That group has likely abandoned him and will be voting against him in 2020. If so, that group will be large enough to swing the election to the Dems.
I'm not concerned about Trump getting a second term. He won't. In fact, he may not even finish his first term. The larger issue is the Senate and the House. With gerry mandering and how most liberal voters congregate geographically in the same cities/states, I'm not sure there is a fix for it. One fix would be to convert Republican voters to democrats. Surely, identity politics won't do it. Still, identity politics or no identity politics, I'm not sure in today's climate if that is possible no matter how the Dems approach it.
The other fix is to lower conservative voter turnout. If the base and other conservative voters become disillusioned, they may just not turn out. That's what usually happens when one party runs the government anyway, it usually swings. If enough GOP voters just stay home, that might be enough to change some elections. The less happy they are with Trump, the more likely that will happen. Russia is one way to get there, but I don't think identity politics is because that's about much more than Trump. Another way to get there is to watch the Republicans (and Trump's) ongoing failure to pass any real legislation all the while Democrats propose alternatives. Democrats need to start talking more about what healthcare plan they would pursue, what infrastructure plan they would pursue, what tax plan they would pursue, etc. and how they can govern, but the Republicans cannot.
The last fix is it increase progressive/liberal voter turnout. That is naturally going to happen, especially in 2020, if not 2018, but that will likely not be enough on its own to really swing the local or state elections. Some of the above will have to happen too. |
Defeat gerrymandering, voter fraud allegation, increase voter turnout, most voting problems, make vote by mail the norm.
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Hector the Pup
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| Actually, LS, the largest issue is the appointment of federal judges. Senators have to be elected. Judges are appointed for life. |
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Youndont win elections by fixing gerrymandering. You have to win ekections, and lots of them, before you can fix gerrymandering.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Youndont win elections by fixing gerrymandering. You have to win ekections, and lots of them, before you can fix gerrymandering. |
Not talking about winning elections, talking about gerrymandering.
If you make voting by mail the norm wouldn't that defeat gerrymander lines?
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Also, as Rachel pointed out the other night, the Russians ARE STILL MEDDLING. They are originating propaganda that gets picked up by Breitbart, then Fox, then Trump retweets it like its factual.
Fox is already the propaganda network for the GOP. If Russia continues to be the social media propaganda arm of the GOP, we've got a lot bigger problems. This stuff works hand in hand with other GOP methods for trying to suppress Democratic turnout: purging voter rolls, onerous voter registration laws, diminished polling locations in Democratic districts, gerrymandering, etc. There's a lot to try to fix and counter before you even get to messaging and policy. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Youndont win elections by fixing gerrymandering. You have to win ekections, and lots of them, before you can fix gerrymandering. |
Not talking about winning elections, talking about gerrymandering.
If you make voting by mail the norm wouldn't that defeat gerrymander lines? |
No. |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | Actually, LS, the largest issue is the appointment of federal judges. Senators have to be elected. Judges are appointed for life. |
Well, yes, but nothing to do about that unless your reps voted in. Unfortunately, trump is likely to appoint another Supreme Court Justice before he leaves office. On that basis alone, the conservatives would have voted trump in regardless of anything else hes doing or will do. Trust me, the judicial system and all of these appointments, including the supream court, is my greatest disappointment and sadness.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Youndont win elections by fixing gerrymandering. You have to win ekections, and lots of them, before you can fix gerrymandering. |
One of the things Obama is supposed to start helping with is building up the party infrastructure starting at the local level. Dems have to compete for state house and state senate seats before they correct state voting issues. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Youndont win elections by fixing gerrymandering. You have to win ekections, and lots of them, before you can fix gerrymandering. |
One of the things Obama is supposed to start helping with is building up the party infrastructure starting at the local level. Dems have to compete for state house and state senate seats before they correct state voting issues. |
Exactly. Democrats left that fallow for years despite the right telling them that they were going to start at the school board and move up from there. And once they got a lever, they worked diligently to make it as difficult as possible to pull the other way. In a perverse way, you have to admire an ability to create a situation like in North Carolina a few cycles back, where a voting minority produced a veto proof legislative majority.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Youndont win elections by fixing gerrymandering. You have to win ekections, and lots of them, before you can fix gerrymandering. |
Not talking about winning elections, talking about gerrymandering.
If you make voting by mail the norm wouldn't that defeat gerrymander lines? |
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Got it. I wasn't thinking electorally. I was thinking by the numbers.
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Bannon is out.
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More time to suck his racist (bleep).
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | I'm not concerned about Trump getting a second term. He won't. In fact, he may not even finish his first term. The larger issue is the Senate and the House. With gerry mandering and how most liberal voters congregate geographically in the same cities/states, I'm not sure there is a fix for it. One fix would be to convert Republican voters to democrats. Surely, identity politics won't do it. Still, identity politics or no identity politics, I'm not sure in today's climate if that is possible no matter how the Dems approach it. |
I understand how a Democrat could look as the Senate and House.....and all that goes along with that and feel a little bleak......but remember it was just 2008 when the Republican Party was declared "dead".....and it felt almost impossible to ever even get a chamber of Congress back....history has shown that the sands can shift quickly. Get a candidate at the top of the ticket that can capture the imagination of the nation, and those coattails can be huge.....like I said, in 2008....less than 10 years ago, the Republican Party was on life support. |
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| Wilt wrote: | | Bannon is out. |
he will not be missed by most conservatives.... |
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| Wilt wrote: | | Bannon is out. |
Unfortunately, I think he'll still have influence from the outside and continue pushing the White Nationalist agenda from Breitbart. Still glad he's gone. Gorka and Miller need to go too. |
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| It looks like Trump made the decision more because of his jealous perception that Bannon was getting too much credit, being called "President Bannon" etc. It was Donnie's ego that was offended more than a conflict with Bannon's ideology. |
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| the truth is the only real reason Bannon is out is because recently released books and articles have painted Bannon as the successful architect of the campaign.....and Trump has thin skin and is insecure, and cannot stand anyone besides him getting credit. Thats why he weirdly pointed out in that press conference about how late in the campaign Bannon joined the team.....making sure everyone knew he was winning before Bannon. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | Bannon is out. |
he will not be missed by most conservatives.... |
And he'll be taking half of Trumps base with him. Which, I agree, most conservatives should be happy with. |
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| Fox News won, Breitbart lost, Bannon out |
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| lakerjoshua wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | Bannon is out. |
he will not be missed by most conservatives.... |
And he'll be taking half of Trumps base with him. Which, I agree, most conservatives should be happy with. |
Bannon not taking anybody with him. The same 'racial politic' the right has been accusing the left is exactly what Trump is doing and the right is eating it up by the spoonful. The bulk of the right are still solidly in Trump's camp, they will occasionally denounce one or two things Trump said but they will vote him |
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| Wilt wrote: | | Bannon is out. |
What's really going on? Did he resign or was he fired?
Report: Steve Bannon out of White House, Submitted Resignation August 7
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No matter, he's gone, that's what counts most.
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| There are some twitter rumblings that Bannon is going to take the ugly scorched earth path. Stay tuned. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | There are some twitter rumblings that Bannon is going to take the ugly scorched earth path. Stay tuned. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| MSNBC says Bannon is going back to Breitbart (not too surprising). |
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