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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:51 am Post subject: |
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True, Celts can't take IT back > Cavs with Kyrie
Too bad Cavs jumped the gun, I would've prefer Tatum, Nets pick, Crowder, filler as suppose to IT |
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MJST Retired Number
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Buck32 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | Buck32 wrote: | The Cavs are reportedly eyeing Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown as extra compensation. Are they kidding? The Cavs are getting greedy, I wouldn't give them anything extra if I was Ainge. He was going to trade away IT anyway because he wasn't paying him the max. Let the Cavs try working with a disgruntled Kyrie. |
We'll see who blinks. |
So Ainge blinked? Or was it more an eyelid twitch? _________________ “Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.”
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Buck32 wrote: | activeverb wrote: | Buck32 wrote: | The Cavs are reportedly eyeing Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown as extra compensation. Are they kidding? The Cavs are getting greedy, I wouldn't give them anything extra if I was Ainge. He was going to trade away IT anyway because he wasn't paying him the max. Let the Cavs try working with a disgruntled Kyrie. |
We'll see who blinks. |
So Ainge blinked? Or was it more an eyelid twitch? |
dust in the eye
but the Bulls GM should get fired for getting so much less |
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Wilkes52 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Great move for Boston. A second round pick to seal the deal ? Wow, that last addition looks like it turned out to be more of a face-saving item than a matter of value-getting for the Cavs.
Chump change !
A pebble in the shoe.
A bug in the teeth.
A fart in the wind.
Most second round picks turn out as instantly forgettable players. _________________ “These GOAT discussions are fun distractions while sitting around waiting for the pizza to be served.”
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:18 am Post subject: |
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The Cavs had already made a pretty good deal. Getting something else tossed into the mix gives them some PR protection if Thomas winds up missing a big chunk of the season. A second round pick in 2020 isn't much, but that sort of asset can be useful in a future trade. |
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lakersken80 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure Kyrie saw he wasn't living up to his potential playing under the shadow of Lebron. One of his idols was Kobe and he saw how he had to carry a terrible team but in the process got to maximize his talents and points production. He saw Russell Westbrook this past season get the MVP on a team that sorely missed Durant. And also he put his career away from the fate of whether Lebron leaves Cleveland behind and letting him pick up the pieces. |
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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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lakersken80 wrote: | I'm sure Kyrie saw he wasn't living up to his potential playing under the shadow of Lebron. One of his idols was Kobe and he saw how he had to carry a terrible team but in the process got to maximize his talents and points production. He saw Russell Westbrook this past season get the MVP on a team that sorely missed Durant. And also he put his career away from the fate of whether Lebron leaves Cleveland behind and letting him pick up the pieces. |
Guess we'll see if Irving is as good as Irving seems to think he is. |
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | lakersken80 wrote: | I'm sure Kyrie saw he wasn't living up to his potential playing under the shadow of Lebron. One of his idols was Kobe and he saw how he had to carry a terrible team but in the process got to maximize his talents and points production. He saw Russell Westbrook this past season get the MVP on a team that sorely missed Durant. And also he put his career away from the fate of whether Lebron leaves Cleveland behind and letting him pick up the pieces. |
Guess we'll see if Irving is as good as Irving seems to think he is. |
He has all the talent in the world. It's just whether he wants to be more of a play-maker (which it appears he wants to be, and Boston wants to be) and be a better defender (still haven't heard anything about this from him).
If Coach Stevens can get him to up his play in these two areas, then we're looking at a fringe top 5 player in the league next season. We shall see.. |
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:57 am Post subject: |
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I did not expect Kyrie to go to Boston.
It will be very interesting to see how he does there, although without Thomas, Crowder, Bradley, Olynk it is a completely different team than last year anyway. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny |
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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http://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/01/25/report-lebron-james-asked-cavaliers-not-to-trade-kyrie-irving-but-irving-threatened-to-undergo-season-ending-knee-surgery/
Quote: | Report: LeBron James asked Cavaliers not to trade Kyrie Irving, but Irving threatened to undergo season-ending knee surgery
By Dan FeldmanJan 25, 2018, 4:40 PM EST
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Kyrie Irving‘s trade request last summer reportedly blindsided LeBron James. The quickly emerging narrative that Irving wanted to leave because of LeBron surely didn’t diffuse tension. It reached the point LeBron was reportedly eager for the Cavaliers to trade Irving.
Joe Vardon of Cleveland.com:
But, according to multiple sources, James ultimately asked the Cavs’ front office not to trade Irving after the request was made known, promising to bridge the apparent gap with him.
According to sources, Irving needs minor knee surgery as a follow to the procedure he underwent during the 2015 Finals to repair his broken knee cap.
According to multiple sources, Irving threatened to sit out the season and have surgery on his knee, convincing Gilbert and Cleveland’s front office that the relationship with Irving was not salvageable.
The Cavs chose to move Irving rather than call his bluff, which upset James, sources said.
Irving pulled a Mo Williams! Using surgery to secure a desired career outcome is straight out of the playbook of Williams, who returned to the Cavs as part of LeBron’s circle.
It’s so poetic.
What’s far messier is the implicit finger-pointing – yes, more of that – and ass-covering in this report. The agendas at play are thinly veiled.
The Cavaliers look like they’ve lost the Irving trade so far. Isaiah Thomas has been hurt and looks plenty rusty. Jae Crowder is having the worst year of his career. The Nets, whose first-round pick Cleveland acquired from the Celtics, are overachieving.
Nobody wants to take the blame for this mess.
Cavs brass, from owner Dan Gilbert to general manager Koby Altman, sure doesn’t. If Irving is portrayed as a less valuable asset, the return he fetched won’t look quite as underwhelming. The Cavaliers say they were backed fully into a corner with an injured player, and if everyone buys it, maybe they can swing the narrative about Thomas being the only damaged goods in the trade. Perhaps, Irving is on the verge of breaking down – though he’s playing pretty darn well in Boston. It’s a tough sell.
LeBron has the benefit of hindsight. Even if he soured on the trade with foresight, his frustration is lingering because of the results. If he were wrong and the trade looked like a victory for Cleveland, he would quickly forgive the Cavs for not honoring his request to keep Irving. LeBron also has the luxury of nobody knowing the counterfactual. Reality has gone poorly for the Cavaliers. Perhaps, keeping Irving would have gone even worse, with him sitting out the entire season and lowering his trade value while providing no help in Cleveland’s bid to beat the Warriors.
But it matters only so much what blame levied by LeBron is fair. He can become a free agent next summer, and in many ways, his perception matters more than reality. If he were upset with the Cavs defying his request not to trade Irving, why would he be any less upset with the team now that he’s seen how it’s playing out? |
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The Logo Star Player
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lakersken80 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Look at the records of the NBA teams....Cavs have the 8th best record....its obvious they lost big time. Without Kyrie this year, Cavs aren't even a lock to make the conference finals like every other year they got Lebron back. |
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:02 am Post subject: |
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Maybe now people will finally see that it was indeed kyrie that won them those finals games _________________ Kobe |
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Treble Clef Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Chronicle wrote: | Maybe now people will finally see that it was indeed kyrie that won them those finals games |
You're predicting that the Celtics will win the finals? |
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