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The long and the short of it is McGregor had no business in the ring against a boxer. If Floyd doesn't carry him, or if he's fighting a guy with any power at all, this is a quick fight.


Doesn't belong, really? For $30 million dollars he belongs.


Closer to $100 million. Both guys won. The suckers are the ones who paid to watch it.


Nah. Boxing wise, might be mediocre but this was one of the best show


It was a good show, promoted well, entertaining fight, water cooler talk for monday morning, no one got hurt, mayweather won, Mcgregor earns respect, both sides make millions, UFC and Boxing both won, fans got their money's worth, I see nothing wrong with the event. Didn't really prove much. A boxer is better at boxing, and an MMA fighter is better in the octagon.

Now that this circus event is over, the real fight of the year is the one around the corner...GGG vs Canelo. Will be one of the best fights in recent memory. And it won't go the distance.
the truth is, we already knew and know the first part. a real life legendary champion boxer is a better than a champion MMA fighter at boxing. But what we dont know is if a champion legendary boxer is better in the octagon than a so called MMA fighter.

MMA = styles make fights too. just like boxing.

here's the deal. chuck liddel = more or less a boxer in a MMA octagon right? yes i know he could kick too. but lets be honest. we know what he was known for...knocking guys out with his fist. setting the entire thing up with his fists. you pull any highlights and just about all of them will be chuck chin checking someone.

can't the same be said for mcgregor? sure he does kick more than chuck ever did to my knowledge but he's still a standup guy for the most part. you have stand up borderline boxer strikers defeating other mixed martial artists. guys that are not great at standing up and fighting. This tells me, that if you get champion level boxers in that ring, especially anyone with power. they could take over most of your MMA fights. because they are more precise with their punches and since they train to only hit heads and body shots. they are specialist at that. sure if you get them in a lock its a wrap. but you have to get up on them. and too many of them with power will KO you if you try that. sure they can get up on some MMA guy that is known for striking/boxing. but they can't do that will real life champion boxers. it seems to me professional championship caliber boxers would win more mma fights than mma guys would win boxing matches and i dont think its even close. and one more thing..i think to become and remain a champion boxer you need a chin. This means even when they get rocked in the mma they wont go down like you see these guys going down vs mcgregor or even chuck back in his bouts.

yes i'm saying a lot of MMA guys have no chin or shaky chins. and a lot of mma guys dont have any real power behind their punches since they are not trained boxers. in addition you dont get picked up and trained to be a mma guy if you have super punching power. you are trained to be a boxer if thats the case.


These guys go into boxing because there is more $$$ in boxing than in MMA. Kell Brook made $5 million in his last fight. Most casual fans have no idea who he is. Conor McGregor made $3 million in his last fight in the UFC, and he's their biggest superstar. If someone like Gennady Golovkin or Canelo Alvarez trained takedown defense for a year or two and some simple MMA moves, they would be wrecking balls in the octagon. But the pay is so little, it's not worth getting kicked in the head for.


Just a clarification. That was McGregor's disclosed pay. Based on lawsuits in the past (Couture) and knowing what we know about certain guys' PPV points, it's more likely McGregor made 10-15 million in his last fight when all was said and done.

Also the last bit is laughable. "Train takedown defense and some simple MMA moves" - it's not 2001 any more (or women's MMA). Current champs/contenders have been training for years, and wrestling since they were kids. That's not even mentioning that boxing doesn't transfer across directly to MMA. Canelo and GGG have been boxing their whole lives and have certain muscle memory behaviors that would get them dumped on their ass and submitted in short order if they try boxing their current style in the octagon.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:18 am    Post subject:

Yeah, the sports have moved far apart. Neither spot's guy is going to fare well in the other, unless they've come up training in both. Boxers are going to get submitted in MMA, and MMA guys are going to find a level of violence is in the boxing ring their sport only hints at.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:54 am    Post subject:

If I had to think of a sport where athletes could crossover and dominate another sport. My best guess would be NFL players playing rugby in Europe. I'd love to see rugby players try to tackle Gronkowski. That would be funny
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:57 am    Post subject:

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If I had to think of a sport where athletes could crossover and dominate another sport. My best guess would be NFL players playing rugby in Europe. I'd love to see rugby players try to tackle Gronkowski. That would be funny

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splashmtn wrote:
Ted wrote:
governator wrote:
Hector the Pup wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
The long and the short of it is McGregor had no business in the ring against a boxer. If Floyd doesn't carry him, or if he's fighting a guy with any power at all, this is a quick fight.


Doesn't belong, really? For $30 million dollars he belongs.


Closer to $100 million. Both guys won. The suckers are the ones who paid to watch it.


Nah. Boxing wise, might be mediocre but this was one of the best show


It was a good show, promoted well, entertaining fight, water cooler talk for monday morning, no one got hurt, mayweather won, Mcgregor earns respect, both sides make millions, UFC and Boxing both won, fans got their money's worth, I see nothing wrong with the event. Didn't really prove much. A boxer is better at boxing, and an MMA fighter is better in the octagon.

Now that this circus event is over, the real fight of the year is the one around the corner...GGG vs Canelo. Will be one of the best fights in recent memory. And it won't go the distance.
the truth is, we already knew and know the first part. a real life legendary champion boxer is a better than a champion MMA fighter at boxing. But what we dont know is if a champion legendary boxer is better in the octagon than a so called MMA fighter.

MMA = styles make fights too. just like boxing.

here's the deal. chuck liddel = more or less a boxer in a MMA octagon right? yes i know he could kick too. but lets be honest. we know what he was known for...knocking guys out with his fist. setting the entire thing up with his fists. you pull any highlights and just about all of them will be chuck chin checking someone.

can't the same be said for mcgregor? sure he does kick more than chuck ever did to my knowledge but he's still a standup guy for the most part. you have stand up borderline boxer strikers defeating other mixed martial artists. guys that are not great at standing up and fighting. This tells me, that if you get champion level boxers in that ring, especially anyone with power. they could take over most of your MMA fights. because they are more precise with their punches and since they train to only hit heads and body shots. they are specialist at that. sure if you get them in a lock its a wrap. but you have to get up on them. and too many of them with power will KO you if you try that. sure they can get up on some MMA guy that is known for striking/boxing. but they can't do that will real life champion boxers. it seems to me professional championship caliber boxers would win more mma fights than mma guys would win boxing matches and i dont think its even close. and one more thing..i think to become and remain a champion boxer you need a chin. This means even when they get rocked in the mma they wont go down like you see these guys going down vs mcgregor or even chuck back in his bouts.

yes i'm saying a lot of MMA guys have no chin or shaky chins. and a lot of mma guys dont have any real power behind their punches since they are not trained boxers. in addition you dont get picked up and trained to be a mma guy if you have super punching power. you are trained to be a boxer if thats the case.


Horrible analysis.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:52 pm    Post subject:

Tark the Shark wrote:
splashmtn wrote:
Ted wrote:
governator wrote:
Hector the Pup wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
The long and the short of it is McGregor had no business in the ring against a boxer. If Floyd doesn't carry him, or if he's fighting a guy with any power at all, this is a quick fight.


Doesn't belong, really? For $30 million dollars he belongs.


Closer to $100 million. Both guys won. The suckers are the ones who paid to watch it.


Nah. Boxing wise, might be mediocre but this was one of the best show


It was a good show, promoted well, entertaining fight, water cooler talk for monday morning, no one got hurt, mayweather won, Mcgregor earns respect, both sides make millions, UFC and Boxing both won, fans got their money's worth, I see nothing wrong with the event. Didn't really prove much. A boxer is better at boxing, and an MMA fighter is better in the octagon.

Now that this circus event is over, the real fight of the year is the one around the corner...GGG vs Canelo. Will be one of the best fights in recent memory. And it won't go the distance.
the truth is, we already knew and know the first part. a real life legendary champion boxer is a better than a champion MMA fighter at boxing. But what we dont know is if a champion legendary boxer is better in the octagon than a so called MMA fighter.

MMA = styles make fights too. just like boxing.

here's the deal. chuck liddel = more or less a boxer in a MMA octagon right? yes i know he could kick too. but lets be honest. we know what he was known for...knocking guys out with his fist. setting the entire thing up with his fists. you pull any highlights and just about all of them will be chuck chin checking someone.

can't the same be said for mcgregor? sure he does kick more than chuck ever did to my knowledge but he's still a standup guy for the most part. you have stand up borderline boxer strikers defeating other mixed martial artists. guys that are not great at standing up and fighting. This tells me, that if you get champion level boxers in that ring, especially anyone with power. they could take over most of your MMA fights. because they are more precise with their punches and since they train to only hit heads and body shots. they are specialist at that. sure if you get them in a lock its a wrap. but you have to get up on them. and too many of them with power will KO you if you try that. sure they can get up on some MMA guy that is known for striking/boxing. but they can't do that will real life champion boxers. it seems to me professional championship caliber boxers would win more mma fights than mma guys would win boxing matches and i dont think its even close. and one more thing..i think to become and remain a champion boxer you need a chin. This means even when they get rocked in the mma they wont go down like you see these guys going down vs mcgregor or even chuck back in his bouts.

yes i'm saying a lot of MMA guys have no chin or shaky chins. and a lot of mma guys dont have any real power behind their punches since they are not trained boxers. in addition you dont get picked up and trained to be a mma guy if you have super punching power. you are trained to be a boxer if thats the case.


Horrible analysis.


McGregor lasted 10 rounds with a world class boxer. A world class boxer would last 1, 2 rounds tops with a world class MMA fighter. May tap out in the first minute.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:24 pm    Post subject:

Floyd let him last 10 rounds. It was his game plan.

And Floyd is 40 years old with a 2 year layoff. Put a top fighter in his prime against McGregor who is in his and you get 2-3 rounds tops I would say


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:30 pm    Post subject:

Mayweather definitely showed his age and ring rust. I dont think he could beat Canelo or GGG at this point in his career
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:52 pm    Post subject:

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Floyd let him last 10 rounds. It was his game plan.


1000%.

Mayweather didn't even start throwing punches until like the 6th round. Sure, it seemed as though McGregor won the first few rounds but he fell right into Mayweather's trap. He just let him tire himself out and then started attacking as soon as fatigue was setting in.

Mayweather could not have executed his game plan any smoother than how it played out.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:55 pm    Post subject:

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Floyd let him last 10 rounds. It was his game plan.


1000%.

Mayweather didn't even start throwing punches until like the 6th round. Sure, it seemed as though McGregor won the first few rounds but he fell right into Mayweather's trap. He just let him tire himself out and then started attacking as soon as fatigue was setting in.

Mayweather could not have executed his game plan any smoother than how it played out.


Yup. Mayweather knew he could outclass him. The important thing was to take the knockout danger (McGregor has power, and it just takes a lucky punch) away by being careful and letting him punch himself out.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:12 pm    Post subject:

How long would McGregor last against Ward. 1 round? 2?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:34 pm    Post subject:

Anyone else see how pathetic DLH and Pacman looked, tweeting about the fight while obviously still salty about their losses to Floyd.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:44 pm    Post subject:

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Floyd let him last 10 rounds. It was his game plan.


1000%.

Mayweather didn't even start throwing punches until like the 6th round. Sure, it seemed as though McGregor won the first few rounds but he fell right into Mayweather's trap. He just let him tire himself out and then started attacking as soon as fatigue was setting in.

Mayweather could not have executed his game plan any smoother than how it played out.


Agreed, that's why he wasn't hugging him all the time like he did Pacquiao. He let him tire himself. I mean you can dislike Mayweather but he's one brillant boxer. He knew from the get go he was having him and executed perfectly.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:18 pm    Post subject:

According to RJ Bell, Las Vegas was the big winner of the night.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:16 pm    Post subject:

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Floyd let him last 10 rounds. It was his game plan.

And Floyd is 40 years old with a 2 year layoff. Put a top fighter in his prime against McGregor who is in his and you get 2-3 rounds tops I would say


Floyd had to do that because his only shot at a KO or TKO was for McGregor to gas out. Floyd doesn't have the power to knock out a fresh McGregor in the early rounds.

A prime boxer with any power would've knocked him out in 3-4 rounds max.

Though that same boxer or Floyd would get choked out in the 1st in an MMA fight against McGregor by leg kicks, a takedown, then submission.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:45 pm    Post subject:

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Floyd let him last 10 rounds. It was his game plan.


Mayweather got someone to bet the under for him on the fight lasting 9.5. He may have trolled around for a number of rounds, but it did come down to 25 seconds left to win the bet.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:24 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
How long would McGregor last against Ward. 1 round? 2?


given how big ward is... lol..
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:36 pm    Post subject:

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According to RJ Bell, Las Vegas was the big winner of the night.


you can pretty much bet on that
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:55 am    Post subject:

A smaller and even less-prime Pacquiao might be a more realistic foe for McGregor at this point (in terms of chance of winning the fight)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:55 am    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
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According to RJ Bell, Las Vegas was the big winner of the night.


you can pretty much bet on that


Somebody bet $150G on McGregor... ouch
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:46 am    Post subject:

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According to RJ Bell, Las Vegas was the big winner of the night.


you can pretty much bet on that


Isn't that par for the course.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:13 pm    Post subject:

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Mayweather definitely showed his age and ring rust. I dont think he could beat Canelo or GGG at this point in his career


Or Crawford Thurman or Spence
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:29 pm    Post subject:

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Mayweather definitely showed his age and ring rust. I dont think he could beat Canelo or GGG at this point in his career


Or Crawford Thurman or Spence


I think he knows that. I kinda believe if they make the money right he'd try one of them. Here's his last paycheck. LINK
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:43 pm    Post subject:

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Yeah, the sports have moved far apart. Neither spot's guy is going to fare well in the other, unless they've come up training in both. Boxers are going to get submitted in MMA, and MMA guys are going to find a level of violence is in the boxing ring their sport only hints at.
but hold on. how do we say this when we can clearly see striker champions throughout mma's existence.

it would be one thing if you have never seen one or two and then some.

Really really good strikers with power lay guys out. That BJJ guy can't get in close because I'm laying him out when he tries to get to the inside.

You know which guys get submitted the quickest? guys that are TRYING to stand up and hesitate that are not that good at standing up to begin with. nor are they good at the ground defense.

I know people dont like to admit it. but its true. You give me boxing champions especially those with power. and toss him in the octagon with a submission guy. and odds are the submission guy will get his head knocked clean off trying to get in close. and no i'm not talking about washup guys like james toney.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:56 pm    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
Yeah, the sports have moved far apart. Neither spot's guy is going to fare well in the other, unless they've come up training in both. Boxers are going to get submitted in MMA, and MMA guys are going to find a level of violence is in the boxing ring their sport only hints at.


They'd get pieced up with the other guys hands but to even suggest that MMA guys don't undergo the same level of violenc is laughable. Truly this thread.
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