Good that they are retiring both. It should be done. I think 24 is means more than 8 slightly.
I felt Kobe took his game to another level with 24, where to 8, he was living in Shaq's shadow somewhat (that can be debated) _________________ I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying.
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So there will be two separate jerseys in the rafters? I don't mind at all retiring both numbers but two jerseys is not good in my opinion.
Kobe is great but why should he get two jerseys when Kareem and Magic only get one? Kobe is not greater than Kareem or Magic. I hope they retire just one jersey and put both numbers on it. _________________ R.I.P. Doc Buss
So basically the formality of it all is a turn off to you, although what you propose has the substantive effect (i.e. in both cases, no one will be allowed to wear the jersey) ?
I feel like I keep repeating what should be a fairly easy to understand opinion so I'll try one last time. For me, it feels goofy to see Bryants name twice up there. There are other ways for them to honor #8, like with his inevitable statue and by not letting anyone else wear it. I understand his situation is unique, but it also sets a weird precedent. If, for example, Lonzo Ball has a HOF career with the Lakers and changes his number twice over the course of his career, are we going to put 3 jerseys in the rafters? For me that space is to honor the great players, not the great laundry. I guess we can see how it looks when it goes up but it disrupts the uniformity of the space. It has nothing to do with him as a player.
It can just be one jersey with two numbers on it you know....
And for the record, the only reason this is being done is because both #8 and #24 if separated would qualify for the HOF. If lonzo or whoever also does jersey changes, then it's gonna depend on if each number as a separate player would qualify for the HOF. imo
To me, Kobe's switch to a second Laker player number was just a reflection of the player's ego, an affectation really, coupled to pure and simple marketing of a team's indulgence of its sensitive star. Sell two jerseys in every shade. One retired jersey per player hangs up high today, as it should be. A second retired number for the same guy feels quite meaningless really, except as a symbol of player pomposity.
it was part of marketing because of the Colorado thing
So there will be two separate jerseys in the rafters? I don't mind at all retiring both numbers but two jerseys is not good in my opinion.
Kobe is great but why should he get two jerseys when Kareem and Magic only get one? Kobe is not greater than Kareem or Magic. I hope they retire just one jersey and put both numbers on it.
because Kareem and Magic only wore one?
i think Kobe is greater than both
Retire both but only put one jersey (possibly with both numbers) in the rafters. I think it would look dumb to have 2 Bryant jerseys.
I also think they're doing this too soon. What is the rush here? Kobe will likely have a statue by 2019 too. I don't understand the need for rushing all of this.
Who the hell cares? He's a surefire HOF. He'll be there eventually so why wait? Shaq got his jersey retired on the 2nd season after retirement. Same thing for the GOAT.
So basically the formality of it all is a turn off to you, although what you propose has the substantive effect (i.e. in both cases, no one will be allowed to wear the jersey) ?
I feel like I keep repeating what should be a fairly easy to understand opinion so I'll try one last time. For me, it feels goofy to see Bryants name twice up there. There are other ways for them to honor #8, like with his inevitable statue and by not letting anyone else wear it. I understand his situation is unique, but it also sets a weird precedent. If, for example, Lonzo Ball has a HOF career with the Lakers and changes his number twice over the course of his career, are we going to put 3 jerseys in the rafters? For me that space is to honor the great players, not the great laundry. I guess we can see how it looks when it goes up but it disrupts the uniformity of the space. It has nothing to do with him as a player.
It can just be one jersey with two numbers on it you know....
And for the record, the only reason this is being done is because both #8 and #24 if separated would qualify for the HOF. If lonzo or whoever also does jersey changes, then it's gonna depend on if each number as a separate player would qualify for the HOF. imo
To me, Kobe's switch to a second Laker player number was just a reflection of the player's ego, an affectation really, coupled to pure and simple marketing of a team's indulgence of its sensitive star. Sell two jerseys in every shade. One retired jersey per player hangs up high today, as it should be. A second retired number for the same guy feels quite meaningless really, except as a symbol of player pomposity.
it was part of marketing because of the Colorado thing
What? He switched to 24 during the 2006-2007 season. That's three seasons removed from Colorado. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper
This is a great signal to LeBron. See, the Lakers revere and honor their superstars!!
I'd say the timing isn't accidental either. They retire his jersey the season before the Lakers have a chance to go big in free agency.
I'm somewhat surprised that they're not doing it on January 3rd instead when OKC comes to town. Give Paul George and Russell Westbrook something to ponder the possibilities of from the Staples Center bench right before the trade deadline hits and they enter free agency a few months later.
This is a great signal to LeBron. See, the Lakers revere and honor their superstars!!
I'd say the timing isn't accidental either. They retire his jersey the season before the Lakers have a chance to go big in free agency.
I'm somewhat surprised that they're not doing it on January 3rd instead when OKC comes to town. Give Paul George and Russell Westbrook something to ponder the possibilities of from the Staples Center bench right before the trade deadline hits and they enter free agency a few months later.
Or CLE when LeBron comes. My best guess for why they didn't choose one of those games is probably because of the mini scandal surrounding the tampering allegation. The media would've been all over it speculation wise and all of those talks would've ignited all over again. It's wiser for them to avoid bad press.
It also wouldn't have been fair to Kobe to have his night overshadowed with all of those unrelated subplots. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper
LOL @ the ticket prices on the day his jerseys are to be retired.
Even in his retirement, Kobe still makes money for the Lakers. _________________ Kobe's Top 5 Dunks, 81 points, MJ last gm @Staples
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