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LakerSanity Moderator
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:21 am Post subject: |
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Andre2K wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | He has the tools to be George Hill, rich man's Derek Fisher type. I even see a little Kyle Lowry in him. Or I could go old school and say maybe some Vernon Maxwell, John Starks or Hersey Hawkins. There's a reason he was drafted where he was - has tools, but limited ceiling (starting caliber role player at the SG spot) and not a guarantee he gets there. |
The former, but definitely not the latter. |
Yeah Kyle Lowry is a 3x all star and barely 6ft tall.
Who he reminds me of is Maurice Evans, would be awesome if he turns out better but that’s what I see him capping off as which is not bad |
I'm referring to playing style. Hart is taller than Fisher too btw. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:12 am Post subject: |
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In the last four drafts LA has had seven picks that, relative to draft position, include four steals (Clarkson, Nance, Zubac, Kuzma), one miss (Brown) and two TBDs (Hart, Bryant).
The talent in this past draft was unusually deep, especially with underclassmen. Perfect setup to score a late draft gem who is overlooked because they are an upperclassman. That's our scouting department's wheelhouse. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night. |
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mhan00 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Some nice plays down the stretch today. I really hope he becomes a consistent rotation player. I love the way he competes. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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mhan00 wrote: | Some nice plays down the stretch today. I really hope he becomes a consistent rotation player. I love the way he competes. |
10 mpg? |
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kevin61 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Hart looks like a guy who will have a 10 year career in the NBA. His upside is limited, but I think he will be a valuable contributor. My top end comp is Derek Fisher in overall impact. I'll take it. |
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kevin61 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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LakerSanity wrote: | Andre2K wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | He has the tools to be George Hill, rich man's Derek Fisher type. I even see a little Kyle Lowry in him. Or I could go old school and say maybe some Vernon Maxwell, John Starks or Hersey Hawkins. There's a reason he was drafted where he was - has tools, but limited ceiling (starting caliber role player at the SG spot) and not a guarantee he gets there. |
The former, but definitely not the latter. |
Yeah Kyle Lowry is a 3x all star and barely 6ft tall.
Who he reminds me of is Maurice Evans, would be awesome if he turns out better but that’s what I see him capping off as which is not bad |
I'm referring to playing style. Hart is taller than Fisher too btw. |
Good analysis Mr Sanity, I agree with the Fisher comp ( yeah we know he isn't 6'1") |
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oldlakerfan Star Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:20 am Post subject: |
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This is a guy I want to see more of.
I love the way he competes.
His defense seem good just as it was billed but want to see more.
Outside shooting seems okay so far but the sample is small
I don't have a feel yet for his passing or decision making
Don't know about his ability to drive and dish when run off 3 point line.
So far good things seem to happen when he plays and I like that.
Don't know here he will get minutes from except may play in first 2 games due to KCP not being available.
I guess Hart and JC could be 2nd unit backcourt versus JC & Ennis but that may take a few weeks to iron itself out.
Anyway I really like the guy but I am still not sure what we have at this point. |
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kevin61 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:40 am Post subject: |
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We've seen so little of the guy it's hard to get too much excitement going. He looks like a solid, mature four year guy. He was a leader on a championship team and his maturity shows. I'm more impressed with Hart the longer I see him play.
After all the Kuzma Love, he kind of got lost in the shuffle, but I like what I've seen in the last couple games, another great, late pick |
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Tanlentueux Star Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:33 am Post subject: |
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mhan00 wrote: | Some nice plays down the stretch today. I really hope he becomes a consistent rotation player. I love the way he competes. |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Luke will be a idiot not to start Hart on opening night, he is the type of player that can end up making a difference. |
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | Luke will be a idiot not to start Hart on opening night, he is the type of player that can end up making a difference. |
Not really. I like Josh but Clarkson should probably start. |
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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pio2u wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Luke will be a idiot not to start Hart on opening night, he is the type of player that can end up making a difference. |
Not really. I like Josh but Clarkson should probably start. |
I like to see if Harts D can give Gallo and Lou some fits, it will be a good learning experience for him, quite frankly we know what Clarkson is. |
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kevin61 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | Luke will be a idiot not to start Hart on opening night, he is the type of player that can end up making a difference. |
A total idiot? That's a bit of a stretch. |
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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kevin61 wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Luke will be a idiot not to start Hart on opening night, he is the type of player that can end up making a difference. |
A total idiot? That's a bit of a stretch. |
Just wanna see if his defense can be effective against pure scorers like Gallinari and Lou. |
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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He wants to hit a KCP ceiling... wants to be a factor offensively..
Wonder if he can reach it |
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Hart is more of a physical defender. Usually that doesn't translate well from NCAA to NBA. NBA rewards quickness defensively, far more than strength. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Joe Pesci Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:44 am Post subject: |
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Josh Hart should start. All three (first round) rookies should start with Deng and Pope. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:03 am Post subject: |
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Joe Pesci wrote: | Josh Hart should start. All three (first round) rookies should start with Deng and Pope. |
probably break the record....get closer to 0-82 than any team before with that lineup. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:11 am Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | Joe Pesci wrote: | Josh Hart should start. All three (first round) rookies should start with Deng and Pope. |
probably break the record....get closer to 0-82 than any team before with that lineup. |
Plus the first 2 games we would have a four man starting line-up because KCP is suspended. |
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Joe Pesci Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:12 am Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | Joe Pesci wrote: | Josh Hart should start. All three (first round) rookies should start with Deng and Pope. |
probably break the record....get closer to 0-82 than any team before with that lineup. |
It's about building a team around your star point guard. He needs shooters, runners, and defenders around him to do his thing -- establishing pace.
Ball takes a bunch of shooters who can also get out and run and terms them into gold. He did it in high school, and he did it at UCLA.
I don't see any reason why he can't do the same in the NBA with a lineup where he'd be feeding Kyle Kuzma, Luol Deng, and Josh Hart as his primary offensive players. Deng, Kuzma, and Hart were born to play with Ball. All have shown they can shoot, run, move the ball, and defend multiple positions.
It's not as far-fetched as it seems at first glance. Have you seen the types of players these days who get significant minutes at center and PF? Deng could hold his own at center against 85% of the league. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:31 am Post subject: |
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We don’t have a star PG. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Joe Pesci wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Joe Pesci wrote: | Josh Hart should start. All three (first round) rookies should start with Deng and Pope. |
probably break the record....get closer to 0-82 than any team before with that lineup. |
It's about building a team around your star point guard. He needs shooters, runners, and defenders around him to do his thing -- establishing pace.
Ball takes a bunch of shooters who can also get out and run and terms them into gold. He did it in high school, and he did it at UCLA.
I don't see any reason why he can't do the same in the NBA with a lineup where he'd be feeding Kyle Kuzma, Luol Deng, and Josh Hart as his primary offensive players. Deng, Kuzma, and Hart were born to play with Ball. All have shown they can shoot, run, move the ball, and defend multiple positions.
It's not as far-fetched as it seems at first glance. Have you seen the types of players these days who get significant minutes at center and PF? Deng could hold his own at center against 85% of the league. |
You serious about Deng? |
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:56 am Post subject: |
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Achilles strain. Kid is injury prone. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | Achilles strain. Kid is injury prone. |
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*Mike TrudellVerified account @LakersReporter 16m16 minutes ago
New injury to report: Rookie Josh Hart suffered a left Achilles strain in practice today and will have an MRI.
*Serena Winters @SerenaWinters
Luke Walton on Josh Hart: ‘He’s tough man, loves to mix it up.’ Also said that’s going to lead to plenty of foul calls on the rookie. |
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