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MJST
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| Username wrote: | | Fred Hoiberg? My God. The Bulls were a dumpster fire last year and are well on their way to worst record in the league this year. Yes, he's a guy we should really be pining for. |
Wouldn't blame that dumpster fire on Hoiberg.
There are instances where you look at a roster and then you look at a coach unable to bring out the best in them despite the styles being able to fit together.
Such as Luke here with what he's "supposed" to preach.
But when it comes to Hoiberg it has everything to do with the fact that the offense he coaches and worked on for years is never given any kind of roster to take advantage of it.
Like I said
"Here's a coach whose offense is predicated around ball movement and perimeter shots.. what starting back court should we give it... WADE AND RONDO!!! And Butler at the 3!! Can't go wrong there!"
YET despite all that, Hoiberg was thoroughly outcoaching Brad Stevens in the playoffs last year and had Rondo not gotten hurt the Celtics may have been knocked out in the first round.
That's the kind of stuff you pay attention to.
| levon wrote: | | dude MJST where were you when I was in college? How the (bleep) do you fire off these research papers so quickly? |
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| DerekFisher24 wrote: | | Ingram just called it "my team" in an interview. What the hell is wrong with this organization |
A hype man picked Ingram as something special so now Ingram feels special without having proven a darn thing and being the least productive of our entire young core.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| So when are we gonna start holding Luke accountable? |
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socalsp3
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | So when are we gonna start holding Luke accountable? |
Seems most people on LG are. I hope Luke does too and makes changes or bring in new assitants who can help him. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | So when are we gonna start holding Luke accountable? |
Seems most people on LG are. I hope Luke does too and makes changes or bring in new assitants who can help him. |
Me too because the Lakers seemed to be running really no sets, the best players are not playing, etc... It's like he said play fast and that's it. The biggest mistake Luke made was trying to emulate warriors offense. |
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epak
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | So when are we gonna start holding Luke accountable? |
Seems most people on LG are. I hope Luke does too and makes changes or bring in new assitants who can help him. |
Me too because the Lakers seemed to be running really no sets, the best players are not playing, etc... It's like he said play fast and that's it. The biggest mistake Luke made was trying to emulate warriors offense. |
Which offense should they emulate? |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | So when are we gonna start holding Luke accountable? |
Seems most people on LG are. I hope Luke does too and makes changes or bring in new assitants who can help him. |
Me too because the Lakers seemed to be running really no sets, the best players are not playing, etc... It's like he said play fast and that's it. The biggest mistake Luke made was trying to emulate warriors offense. |
Which offense should they emulate? |
I gave you an impression that we should emulate an offense? |
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epak
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | So when are we gonna start holding Luke accountable? |
Seems most people on LG are. I hope Luke does too and makes changes or bring in new assitants who can help him. |
Me too because the Lakers seemed to be running really no sets, the best players are not playing, etc... It's like he said play fast and that's it. The biggest mistake Luke made was trying to emulate warriors offense. |
Which offense should they emulate? |
I gave you an impression that we should emulate an offense? |
What offense should we run? |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | So when are we gonna start holding Luke accountable? |
Seems most people on LG are. I hope Luke does too and makes changes or bring in new assitants who can help him. |
Me too because the Lakers seemed to be running really no sets, the best players are not playing, etc... It's like he said play fast and that's it. The biggest mistake Luke made was trying to emulate warriors offense. |
Which offense should they emulate? |
I gave you an impression that we should emulate an offense? |
What offense should we run? |
I don't know if a specific offense needs to be communicated here on the board. The point is one needs to be implemented by Luke.. It's helter skelter out there. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | So when are we gonna start holding Luke accountable? |
Seems most people on LG are. I hope Luke does too and makes changes or bring in new assitants who can help him. |
Me too because the Lakers seemed to be running really no sets, the best players are not playing, etc... It's like he said play fast and that's it. The biggest mistake Luke made was trying to emulate warriors offense. |
Which offense should they emulate? |
I gave you an impression that we should emulate an offense? |
What offense should we run? |
Build his own. He could take from different offenses, but build his own. Right now, I don't even see an offense implemented. |
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epak
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | So when are we gonna start holding Luke accountable? |
Seems most people on LG are. I hope Luke does too and makes changes or bring in new assitants who can help him. |
Me too because the Lakers seemed to be running really no sets, the best players are not playing, etc... It's like he said play fast and that's it. The biggest mistake Luke made was trying to emulate warriors offense. |
Which offense should they emulate? |
I gave you an impression that we should emulate an offense? |
What offense should we run? |
I don't know if a specific offense needs to be communicated here on the board. The point is one needs to be implemented by Luke.. It's helter skelter out there. |
How about we try to implement a successful offense, like some of what the warriors run? |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Luke needs someone to handle the X's and O's and the offense, and another person to handle the defense.
Both must be very competent and allow Luke to just do the 'Coach' part and make what they're in charge of work.
Luke is going nowhere with his current staff.
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epak
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | Luke needs someone to handle the X's and O's and the offense, and another person to handle the defense.
Both must be very competent and allow Luke to just do the 'Coach' part and make what they're in charge of work.
Luke is going nowhere with his current staff. |
Yea. Who helps the offense currently? And who handles the defense?
So we need an offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator. Maybe a quarter back coach, a linebacker coach and wide receiver coach.  |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| Their offense is pretty standard. It's the lack of shooting (and shot creators) that makes it look especially bad. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:38 am Post subject: |
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I'm tired of Luke's wonky line-ups. That was my biggest gripe with him last season. All I wanted to see last year was Randle, Nance, Ingram, Clarkson, & DLO. The group would have been special. I think I only saw that group on the court together for a total of 6 minutes near the end of the season. Why? Because he rather play LouWill and Swag El in crunch time.
The other thing that bothers me is the fact that we have zero identity on offense. Yes there's been a lot of garbage players the past two seasons. Yes, he got Swaggy a gig with the Warriors. But a good coach should play to the strengths of his players right? Pop came out and took the blame for Aldridge. Now LA is playing better because Pop said he would cater to his strengths. And even if our team is lacking serious talent, there still should be fundamental ball movement. It's like we have no clue out there. I was watching a game last weak where the Boston scrubs had beautiful ball movement. Stevens is quite the genius. Pop can make scrubs share the ball, get them big contracts on other teams (while disappearing into obscurity), and reloading with system players. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| What I would give to have Mike D'Antoni as coach the past two seasons. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | | What I would give to have Mike D'Antoni as coach the past two seasons. |
He would bench all of the perimeter guys who can't shoot, the franchise would turn against him when it becomes apparent that he's going to miss the playoffs, the local media would crap on him, and then he'd be gone. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | Luke needs someone to handle the X's and O's and the offense, and another person to handle the defense.
Both must be very competent and allow Luke to just do the 'Coach' part and make what they're in charge of work.
Luke is going nowhere with his current staff. |
I agree. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:29 am Post subject: |
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I think Luke is a great coach. I would love to play for a coach like him. He just doesn't have enough talent on the team. I mean Popovich would have struggled to win with this team too. But he would give better interviews I admit that  |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | | What I would give to have Mike D'Antoni as coach the past two seasons. |
Houston with Harden there is one thing, we don't have that star power here. Luke is far from the problem and MDA is far from the solution. With the group of players we have the fans would go through coaches like a baby through diapers.
Rebuilding takes years, we have a bunch of rookies and some veterans that
will give us something some nights.
We need to get a grip and realize this is a journey.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | AFireInside619 wrote: | | What I would give to have Mike D'Antoni as coach the past two seasons. |
He would bench all of the perimeter guys who can't shoot, the franchise would turn against him when it becomes apparent that he's going to miss the playoffs, the local media would crap on him, and then he'd be gone. |
And this is a problem because? |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | So when are we gonna start holding Luke accountable? |
Seems most people on LG are. I hope Luke does too and makes changes or bring in new assitants who can help him. |
You mean past Laker connections and Arizona buddies aren't working out so well? |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:05 am Post subject: |
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| joey25 wrote: | | I think Luke is a great coach. I would love to play for a coach like him. He just doesn't have enough talent on the team. I mean Popovich would have struggled to win with this team too. But he would give better interviews I admit that |
How long are we gonna make this excuse? |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| RichD wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | AFireInside619 wrote: | | What I would give to have Mike D'Antoni as coach the past two seasons. |
He would bench all of the perimeter guys who can't shoot, the franchise would turn against him when it becomes apparent that he's going to miss the playoffs, the local media would crap on him, and then he'd be gone. |
And this is a problem because? |
It's not the problem- it just wouldn't fix anything. |
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joey25
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | joey25 wrote: | | I think Luke is a great coach. I would love to play for a coach like him. He just doesn't have enough talent on the team. I mean Popovich would have struggled to win with this team too. But he would give better interviews I admit that |
How long are we gonna make this excuse? |
Until we actually have talent on the team. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| joey25 wrote: | | I think Luke is a great coach. |
based on what evidence outside of the Warriors carrying him with philosophies, culture, offense, and defense that he had no hand in creating?
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