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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:22 am    Post subject:

Trading Deng for Noah makes no sense
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:26 am    Post subject:

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Trading Deng for Noah makes no sense


If they add a 1st round pick that has lottery implications I would do it...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:26 am    Post subject:

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Trading Deng for Noah makes no sense


Not that I want to do it, but if you were going to cut Bogut, you'd at least have a guy you would play for the same bad deal.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:20 pm    Post subject:

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Trading Deng for Noah makes no sense


Noah is a mobile center which would see playing time (esp if we don't bring back Lopez/Bogut) compare to Deng which would be behind Randle, Nance, Kuzma at the 4 aka no playing time
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:01 pm    Post subject:

So Lopez, Bogut and Noah split 48 center minutes. Leaving Randle, Nance and Kuzma to split 48 minutes at PF?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:04 pm    Post subject:

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venturalakersfan wrote:
Trading Deng for Noah makes no sense


Noah is a mobile center which would see playing time (esp if we don't bring back Lopez/Bogut) compare to Deng which would be behind Randle, Nance, Kuzma at the 4 aka no playing time

Noah is mobile center, is a great passer in the post like Bogut and can play defense. But will he be the same after surgery to his right rotator cuff injury he just had?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:11 pm    Post subject:

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venturalakersfan wrote:
Trading Deng for Noah makes no sense


Noah is a mobile center which would see playing time (esp if we don't bring back Lopez/Bogut) compare to Deng which would be behind Randle, Nance, Kuzma at the 4 aka no playing time

Noah is mobile center, is a great passer in the post like Bogut and can play defense. But will he be the same after surgery to his right rotator cuff injury he just had?


Better than having Deng which is not even suiting up (remember, this is assuming we don't get the 2 max)
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:12 pm    Post subject:

Deng > Noah
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:25 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
Deng > Noah


Just trying to think of alternative to buying out Deng if we don't get the 2 max and Deng continues not cracking the rotation
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:44 pm    Post subject:

Lakerfan 4 Life wrote:
governator wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Trading Deng for Noah makes no sense


Noah is a mobile center which would see playing time (esp if we don't bring back Lopez/Bogut) compare to Deng which would be behind Randle, Nance, Kuzma at the 4 aka no playing time

Noah is mobile center, is a great passer in the post like Bogut and can play defense. But will he be the same after surgery to his right rotator cuff injury he just had?

I believe you've set your clock back to 2012, Noah is longer what you believe he is.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:42 am    Post subject:

How many future first round picks do the Lakers have at their disposable to trade?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:45 am    Post subject:

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How many future first round picks do the Lakers have at their disposable to trade?


I think we can trade the 2020/22 picks right now.

After the 2018 draft, we would be able to do 2019/21.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:44 am    Post subject:

Wait until 1/15, and see if the Bulls bite for a Mirotic trade.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:20 am    Post subject:

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Wait until 1/15, and see if the Bulls bite for a Mirotic trade.

Deng for Mirotic? How many first round picks would be going Chicago’s way?

If I’m Chicago, I’m easily asking for three. I’d tell the Lakers to kick rocks unless they’re prepared to give up three first rounders.

Matter of fact, if I’m Chicago, I’d probably toy with the then Lakers on Jan. 15th and drag it out considerably with the hope that if it drags into the summer, the Bulls may be able to wrestle Ingram from the Lakers’ death clutch when they get really, really desperate (after securing one, two, or maybe even three free agents).

So, with all that being said, unless the Lakers are prepared to surrender three first round picks on the 15th, no trade will happen, and any other team (probably Chicago or Atlanta) will probably want to know how valuable those first round picks could, so they’ll more than likely want to wait to deal with the Lakers until the summer.

During the summer, after securing the new FA faces, it’ll be three picks or Ingram (with Deng) to Chicago or Atlanta for space.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:41 am    Post subject:

As I have said before, Deng agreeing to a buyout in principle 1st, making it easier for the Lakers to trade him should be the route the Lakers go.

For example, lets say Deng agrees to give up 10M of the 38M left on his deal on his contract. The team trading for Deng knows they would only be on the hook for 28M instead of 38M, leading to maybe having to attach less assets onto Deng.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:43 am    Post subject:

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As I have said before, Deng agreeing to a buyout in principle 1st, making it easier for the Lakers to trade him should be the route the Lakers go.

For example, lets say Deng agrees to give up 10M of the 38M left on his deal on his contract. The team trading for Deng knows they would only be on the hook for 28M instead of 38M, leading to maybe having to attach less assets onto Deng.


pretty sure that is illegal.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:45 am    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
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As I have said before, Deng agreeing to a buyout in principle 1st, making it easier for the Lakers to trade him should be the route the Lakers go.

For example, lets say Deng agrees to give up 10M of the 38M left on his deal on his contract. The team trading for Deng knows they would only be on the hook for 28M instead of 38M, leading to maybe having to attach less assets onto Deng.


pretty sure that is illegal.

Might be. But I'm pretty sure with the Lakers consent, teams would be able to talk to Deng's agent.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:48 am    Post subject:

dcarter4kobe wrote:
adkindo wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
As I have said before, Deng agreeing to a buyout in principle 1st, making it easier for the Lakers to trade him should be the route the Lakers go.

For example, lets say Deng agrees to give up 10M of the 38M left on his deal on his contract. The team trading for Deng knows they would only be on the hook for 28M instead of 38M, leading to maybe having to attach less assets onto Deng.


pretty sure that is illegal.

Might be. But I'm pretty sure with the Lakers consent, teams would be able to talk to Deng's agent.


That's an interesting idea.
So the team that receives Deng is doing it mostly for the picks and/or player that comes with him. And they end up buying him out at a lower cost.

I like it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:53 am    Post subject:

dcarter4kobe wrote:
As I have said before, Deng agreeing to a buyout in principle 1st, making it easier for the Lakers to trade him should be the route the Lakers go.

For example, lets say Deng agrees to give up 10M of the 38M left on his deal on his contract. The team trading for Deng knows they would only be on the hook for 28M instead of 38M, leading to maybe having to attach less assets onto Deng.

You, sir, are brilliant. I’d take you over Jim Buss any day. Please try your best to take that as a compliment.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:04 am    Post subject:

Joe Pesci wrote:
King Randle wrote:
Wait until 1/15, and see if the Bulls bite for a Mirotic trade.

Deng for Mirotic? How many first round picks would be going Chicago’s way?

If I’m Chicago, I’m easily asking for three. I’d tell the Lakers to kick rocks unless they’re prepared to give up three first rounders.

Matter of fact, if I’m Chicago, I’d probably toy with the then Lakers on Jan. 15th and drag it out considerably with the hope that if it drags into the summer, the Bulls may be able to wrestle Ingram from the Lakers’ death clutch when they get really, really desperate (after securing one, two, or maybe even three free agents).

So, with all that being said, unless the Lakers are prepared to surrender three first round picks on the 15th, no trade will happen, and any other team (probably Chicago or Atlanta) will probably want to know how valuable those first round picks could, so they’ll more than likely want to wait to deal with the Lakers until the summer.

During the summer, after securing the new FA faces, it’ll be three picks or Ingram (with Deng) to Chicago or Atlanta for space.


Zero 1st round picks. Mirotic and Portis can't co-exist and they're not trading Portis. If they don't like Deng and 2 second round picks for Mirotic then move on. No way they should give up a #1 pick for Mirotic. He's nothing to write home about.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:09 am    Post subject:

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As I have said before, Deng agreeing to a buyout in principle 1st, making it easier for the Lakers to trade him should be the route the Lakers go.

For example, lets say Deng agrees to give up 10M of the 38M left on his deal on his contract. The team trading for Deng knows they would only be on the hook for 28M instead of 38M, leading to maybe having to attach less assets onto Deng.


You can’t trade a player you bought out.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:09 am    Post subject:

King Randle wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
King Randle wrote:
Wait until 1/15, and see if the Bulls bite for a Mirotic trade.

Deng for Mirotic? How many first round picks would be going Chicago’s way?

If I’m Chicago, I’m easily asking for three. I’d tell the Lakers to kick rocks unless they’re prepared to give up three first rounders.

Matter of fact, if I’m Chicago, I’d probably toy with the then Lakers on Jan. 15th and drag it out considerably with the hope that if it drags into the summer, the Bulls may be able to wrestle Ingram from the Lakers’ death clutch when they get really, really desperate (after securing one, two, or maybe even three free agents).

So, with all that being said, unless the Lakers are prepared to surrender three first round picks on the 15th, no trade will happen, and any other team (probably Chicago or Atlanta) will probably want to know how valuable those first round picks could, so they’ll more than likely want to wait to deal with the Lakers until the summer.

During the summer, after securing the new FA faces, it’ll be three picks or Ingram (with Deng) to Chicago or Atlanta for space.


Zero 1st round picks. Mirotic and Portis can't co-exist and they're not trading Portis. If they don't like Deng and 2 second round picks for Mirotic then move on. No way they should give up a #1 pick for Mirotic. He's nothing to write home about.

There’s a lot you don’t understand about leverage sir. Unfortunately, I’m ot sure I have the time to teach it at the moment other than to say that it’s the Lakers who NEED this trade, not Chicago.

A second rounder for Deng is ignorant and preposterous. Get informed.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:11 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
As I have said before, Deng agreeing to a buyout in principle 1st, making it easier for the Lakers to trade him should be the route the Lakers go.

For example, lets say Deng agrees to give up 10M of the 38M left on his deal on his contract. The team trading for Deng knows they would only be on the hook for 28M instead of 38M, leading to maybe having to attach less assets onto Deng.


You can’t trade a player you bought out.

“In principle”. Keep up V.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:21 am    Post subject:

Joe Pesci wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
As I have said before, Deng agreeing to a buyout in principle 1st, making it easier for the Lakers to trade him should be the route the Lakers go.

For example, lets say Deng agrees to give up 10M of the 38M left on his deal on his contract. The team trading for Deng knows they would only be on the hook for 28M instead of 38M, leading to maybe having to attach less assets onto Deng.


You can’t trade a player you bought out.

“In principle”. Keep up V.


It can’t be done in any situation.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:28 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
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venturalakersfan wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
As I have said before, Deng agreeing to a buyout in principle 1st, making it easier for the Lakers to trade him should be the route the Lakers go.

For example, lets say Deng agrees to give up 10M of the 38M left on his deal on his contract. The team trading for Deng knows they would only be on the hook for 28M instead of 38M, leading to maybe having to attach less assets onto Deng.


You can’t trade a player you bought out.

“In principle”. Keep up V.


It can’t be done in any situation.

Following the letter of the law, you very well may be right, but tell me, have you ever gone 41 mph in a 35 mph lane?

That “can’t be done in any situation” either.
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