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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:28 pm    Post subject:

Never understood all the hate for this guy, I think he's a pretty good player.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:26 pm    Post subject:

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2015-16 (32mpg): 15.5/2.4apg
2016-17 (29mpg): 14.7/2.6apg

2017-18 (21mpg): 15.5/2.7apg.

I think keeping him in shorter spurts is helping him.


the numbers do not really support the theory....looking across multiple years for a young developing player does not really mean much.

In 2017-2018:

Games with at least 23 minutes (5) - 21 PPG
Games with less than 23 minutes (9) - 13 PPG

One can argue the chicken and egg theory as to he got more minutes because he was playing well....but as it relates to scoring, the more minutes he receives, the more effective he is in putting points on the board.


I think you can make any number of conclusions based on that. But you can't discount his recent history either, especially as an older "young" player. I'm doubtful if you give him 32 mpg that he would be as efficacious.


We can’t discount that he might have improved this year in comparison to the last two years. That is a surprise as some thought that he hit his peak last year. Plus, he was playing behind some other chuckers on our team last 2 years.

I’m not saying he should start. kCP should start as he is the better defender but JC should get all the backup PG and SG minutes. Hart, Blue and Ennis should get very little minutes. They are not consistent enough.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:51 pm    Post subject:

Clarkson's per ratings are off the charts... lovers of per ratings are surely drooling over this. lol
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:53 pm    Post subject:

Kjj10697X wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
adkindo wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
2015-16 (32mpg): 15.5/2.4apg
2016-17 (29mpg): 14.7/2.6apg

2017-18 (21mpg): 15.5/2.7apg.

I think keeping him in shorter spurts is helping him.


the numbers do not really support the theory....looking across multiple years for a young developing player does not really mean much.

In 2017-2018:

Games with at least 23 minutes (5) - 21 PPG
Games with less than 23 minutes (9) - 13 PPG

One can argue the chicken and egg theory as to he got more minutes because he was playing well....but as it relates to scoring, the more minutes he receives, the more effective he is in putting points on the board.


I think you can make any number of conclusions based on that. But you can't discount his recent history either, especially as an older "young" player. I'm doubtful if you give him 32 mpg that he would be as efficacious.


We can’t discount that he might have improved this year in comparison to the last two years. That is a surprise as some thought that he hit his peak last year. Plus, he was playing behind some other chuckers on our team last 2 years.

I’m not saying he should start. kCP should start as he is the better defender but JC should get all the backup PG and SG minutes. Hart, Blue and Ennis should get very little minutes. They are not consistent enough.


the dynamics of last year's offense compared to this year is night and day... Ball is a guy who makes his teammates more involved, while Russell loves to take his own share of the pie most of the time.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:57 pm    Post subject:

Tonight shows why jc isn’t going to be traded this year. Lonzo isn’t ready. Liked jc’s competitiveness.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:12 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Tonight shows why jc isn’t going to be traded this year. Lonzo isn’t ready. Liked jc’s competitiveness.


liked how he just kept grinding even when shot was not going in...did not get all frustrated and start making bad plays....just kept playing through it. Did't not get a lot of easy buckets tonight.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:29 pm    Post subject:

The Lakers should hold onto mini monta ellis. Even if Lonzo gets his game together Clarkson is a great change of pace guy for him.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:33 pm    Post subject:

kevin61 wrote:
Never understood all the hate for this guy, I think he's a pretty good player.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:35 pm    Post subject:

Another nice performance by Clarkson.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:36 pm    Post subject:

Great game by JC again. So happy for him. He need to be around 35 min per game replacing Lonzo after 4 min in the game.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:38 pm    Post subject:

It would be nice to see him play a few more mins with Brook, to benefit from the improved spacing he would provide. It's insane that he's played so well when he's mostly sharing the floor with non-shooters during his minutes.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:44 pm    Post subject:

He's an NBA player that's for sure. His IQ prevents him from being an All-Star.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:00 am    Post subject:

Arguably one of the more under-appreciated laker.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:37 am    Post subject:

Last night Clarkson earned all the IG models that were left over from Embiid & Simmons. Ingram & Kuz have never seen the outside of a gym so they are excused from this convo, but Clarkson knows what's up in LA.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:39 am    Post subject:

What I appreciate about him, even if his BBALL IQ may be suspect, is he competes. Just goes until he's out of the game. DLO/Lonzo lack that kind of fight in them.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:00 am    Post subject:

pkflyers wrote:
kevin61 wrote:
Never understood all the hate for this guy, I think he's a pretty good player.


He is the new lamar odom. He is what he is but people don't like him because they want more. I like Jc too. Frustrating at times but he leaves it all out on the floor.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:46 am    Post subject:

he competes, he's not a PG, but he's a nice bench player that can give you scoring.

not a bad contract at all, but i'd be the first to ship his ass out if it sheds deng's deal.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:49 am    Post subject:

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What I appreciate about him, even if his BBALL IQ may be suspect, is he competes. Just goes until he's out of the game. DLO/Lonzo lack that kind of fight in them.


IMO his IQ wouldn't be as much of an issue if he were better at hitting open 3s. That more than anything prevents him from being more than a really good change of pace scorer.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:23 am    Post subject:

if i had a choice to keep JC or Randle @12.5m, i would keep JC. no question
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:26 am    Post subject:

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if i had a choice to keep JC or Randle @12.5m, i would keep JC. no question


As long as he doesn't wear a "Pay me" shirt. I was genuinely surprised (if true) that Jules took such a combative approach. That won't end well for him.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:30 am    Post subject:

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What I appreciate about him, even if his BBALL IQ may be suspect, is he competes. Just goes until he's out of the game. DLO/Lonzo lack that kind of fight in them.


This is quite a ringing endorsement coming from you yinoma. Once upon a time the only posts I saw from you regarding Clarkson were "trade him for X player" posts.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:31 am    Post subject:

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What I appreciate about him, even if his BBALL IQ may be suspect, is he competes. Just goes until he's out of the game. DLO/Lonzo lack that kind of fight in them.


This is quite a ringing endorsement coming from you yinoma. Once upon a time the only posts I saw from you regarding Clarkson were "trade him for X player" posts.


Of course. I try my best to be as objective as possible, and when a player adapts and improves, I'll try to be the first to say so. He's really grown on me this year.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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if i had a choice to keep JC or Randle @12.5m, i would keep JC. no question


As long as he doesn't wear a "Pay me" shirt. I was genuinely surprised (if true) that Jules took such a combative approach. That won't end well for him.


I am surprised one thinks it is combative
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:40 am    Post subject:

JC has shown marked improvement this season but he still has certain tendencies that he needs to overcome. But overall he has been a nice surprise.

Fortunately the FO has a little more time to assess his value before they decide his future as a Laker.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:53 am    Post subject:

For the past few years it's been changing back and forth of who's out the door first. Clarkson or Randle. Usually game by game. The both provide very specific needs for us. Randle with his rebounding, strength, physically, and interior scoring. Clarkson with the all around offensive repertoire. He's a microwave. I guess the tiebreaker for me would be the three point shooting. Clarkson is hovering around 40% this season, and in a league that is dominated by 3's, I would say his services are slightly more advantageous to us. Clarkson is my answer... for today... 😝
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