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tox
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Looks like RPM is having a hard time moving on from the Russell trade. |
Eh that -2.08 DRPM ain't looking too pretty either |
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JustWinBaby
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Looks like when Nance returns from injury, our lineup should be according to WIN :
Lopez/Randle
Nance/???? (more Kuzma?)
Kuzma/Ingram
KCP/(Hart/Blue)
Ball/Clarkson
Wins
Center
Lopez: 1.27
Randle: 0.87
Bogut: 0.13
Forward
Nance: 0.73
Kuzma: 0.5
Ingram: 0.24
Brewer: 0.03
Shooting Guard
KCP: 0.55
Hart: 0.11
Point Guard
Ball: 0.46
Clarkson: 0.32
Ennis: 0.06 |
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GoldenThroat
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Looks like RPM is having a hard time moving on from the Russell trade. |
Eh that -2.08 DRPM ain't looking too pretty either |
It's a joke based on a comment in the Ingram thread, where some dude implied that I'm hard on Ingram because I'm upset about the Russell trade. |
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levon
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Lopez with a god-mode prior, tbh. |
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| Thanks for compiling all this info, I've been waiting for espn to update their rpm ranks |
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Luminous8
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Looks like RPM is having a hard time moving on from the Russell trade. |
Sounds like maybe you are since you keep bringing it up. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Looks like RPM is having a hard time moving on from the Russell trade. |
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Luminous8
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | tox wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Looks like RPM is having a hard time moving on from the Russell trade. |
Eh that -2.08 DRPM ain't looking too pretty either |
It's a joke based on a comment in the Ingram thread, where some dude implied that I'm hard on Ingram because I'm upset about the Russell trade. |
My bad. |
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tox
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | tox wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Looks like RPM is having a hard time moving on from the Russell trade. |
Eh that -2.08 DRPM ain't looking too pretty either |
It's a joke based on a comment in the Ingram thread, where some dude implied that I'm hard on Ingram because I'm upset about the Russell trade. |
Ah lol. I was expecting Russell to have numbers comparable to last year (where he was positive for much of the year, until we started tanking) after seeing your post  |
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tox
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| levon wrote: | | Lopez with a god-mode prior, tbh. |
I thought so too.
Then I realized his RPM last year was lower. |
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Lucky_Shot
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Wow what a difference a few games make for a players RPM. To have a huge change in such a short time makes me wonder how reliable rpm is this early in the season. (Rank by position)
Lopez 1.59(7)
Nance .55(25)
Julius -.03(35)
Bogut -.17(33)
Clarkson -.46 (29)
Pope -.77(28)
--------------------- -Dlo -1.38(53)
Kuzma -1.45(74)
CB -1.99(77)
BI -2.10(79)
Ball -2.55(77)
Bigs are favored more by drpm so bigs natural have higher RPMs thats why have the ranking for their positions also |
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The Juggernaut
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I see what the RPM says but I don't buy it completely for Kuzma and Ingram. For Ingram other than that 3 game road trip stretch where he sucked, he's been very good. He's been making the correct plays majority of the time, playing within himself, and playing solid D. The RPM numbers show me that he hasn't been one of our better players which the eye test disagrees with. Same with Kuzma.
These numbers are good to mix in with actual watching of the film. I think Kuzma and Ingram have both been better this season on the whole than what the RPM numbers say. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | Wow what a difference a few games make for a players RPM. To have a huge change in such a short time makes me wonder how reliable rpm is this early in the season. (Rank by position) |
That’s true of all stats this early in the season. RPM isn’t some talismanic stat that tells us who is good and who is bad. It just tells us how productive someone has been up to this point. |
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | I see what the RPM says but I don't buy it completely for Kuzma and Ingram. For Ingram other than that 3 game road trip stretch where he sucked, he's been very good. He's been making the correct plays majority of the time, playing within himself, and playing solid D. The RPM numbers show me that he hasn't been one of our better players which the eye test disagrees with. Same with Kuzma.
These numbers are good to mix in with actual watching of the film. I think Kuzma and Ingram have both been better this season on the whole than what the RPM numbers say. |
Few 3's, made FT's, rebounds, and assists, plus turnovers. That's why Ingram is so low. |
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The Juggernaut
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| greenfrog wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | I see what the RPM says but I don't buy it completely for Kuzma and Ingram. For Ingram other than that 3 game road trip stretch where he sucked, he's been very good. He's been making the correct plays majority of the time, playing within himself, and playing solid D. The RPM numbers show me that he hasn't been one of our better players which the eye test disagrees with. Same with Kuzma.
These numbers are good to mix in with actual watching of the film. I think Kuzma and Ingram have both been better this season on the whole than what the RPM numbers say. |
Few 3's, made FT's, rebounds, and assists, plus turnovers. That's why Ingram is so low. |
I get why his RPM is low but I see a lot of people using that as a way to brush off Ingram as a bad player when that's not the case. Minus that 3 game stretch, he's been very good this season and is progressing nicely. |
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | I see what the RPM says but I don't buy it completely for Kuzma and Ingram. For Ingram other than that 3 game road trip stretch where he sucked, he's been very good. He's been making the correct plays majority of the time, playing within himself, and playing solid D. The RPM numbers show me that he hasn't been one of our better players which the eye test disagrees with. Same with Kuzma.
These numbers are good to mix in with actual watching of the film. I think Kuzma and Ingram have both been better this season on the whole than what the RPM numbers say. |
Few 3's, made FT's, rebounds, and assists, plus turnovers. That's why Ingram is so low. |
I get why his RPM is low but I see a lot of people using that as a way to brush off Ingram as a bad player when that's not the case. Minus that 3 game stretch, he's been very good this season and is progressing nicely. |
There’s an old saying about people who use stats like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination. We’re all guilty of that at times. |
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The Juggernaut
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | I see what the RPM says but I don't buy it completely for Kuzma and Ingram. For Ingram other than that 3 game road trip stretch where he sucked, he's been very good. He's been making the correct plays majority of the time, playing within himself, and playing solid D. The RPM numbers show me that he hasn't been one of our better players which the eye test disagrees with. Same with Kuzma.
These numbers are good to mix in with actual watching of the film. I think Kuzma and Ingram have both been better this season on the whole than what the RPM numbers say. |
Few 3's, made FT's, rebounds, and assists, plus turnovers. That's why Ingram is so low. |
I get why his RPM is low but I see a lot of people using that as a way to brush off Ingram as a bad player when that's not the case. Minus that 3 game stretch, he's been very good this season and is progressing nicely. |
There’s an old saying about people who use stats like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination. We’re all guilty of that at times. |
That's good one. Very true. |
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tox
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | Wow what a difference a few games make for a players RPM. To have a huge change in such a short time makes me wonder how reliable rpm is this early in the season. (Rank by position)
Lopez 1.59(7)
Nance .55(25)
Julius -.03(35)
Bogut -.17(33)
Clarkson -.46 (29)
Pope -.77(28)
--------------------- -Dlo -1.38(53)
Kuzma -1.45(74)
CB -1.99(77)
BI -2.10(79)
Ball -2.55(77)
Bigs are favored more by drpm so bigs natural have higher RPMs thats why have the ranking for their positions also |
fwiw bigs are favored by drpm but I think the opposite is true, to a smaller extent, for guards (favored in orpm).
It is still true that RPM overall favors bigs though.
Also these fluctuations are why you should ignore RPM until at least January... just not enough games. |
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Update near the end of December:
Name: RPM (Pos. Rank)
PGs (out of 93)
Lonzo -0.44 (35) - 8th in DRPM
Clarkson -0.90 (45)
Ennis -1.55 (57)
--------------------- Dlo -1.90 (67)
--------------------- Mudiay -5.52 (93)
SGs (out of 100)
KCP 0.01 (22)
Hart -1.36 (42)
Caruso -2.14 (79)
SFs (out of 88)
Brewer -1.19 (48)
Deng -1.31 (51)
Ingram -2.05 (74)
PFs (out of 96)
LNJ 0.97 (23) - 11th DRPM
Randle 0.42 (31)
Kuzma -2.09 (85) - 16th ORPM, last in DRPM
Centers (out of 73)
Lopez 0.48 (20)
Bogut -0.19 (31)
Zu -1.12 (53) |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Update near the end of December:
Name: RPM (Pos. Rank)
PGs (out of 93)
Lonzo -0.44 (35) - 8th in DRPM
Clarkson -0.90 (45)
Ennis -1.55 (57)
--------------------- Dlo -1.90 (67)
--------------------- Mudiay -5.52 (93)
SGs (out of 100)
KCP 0.01 (22)
Hart -1.36 (42)
Caruso -2.14 (79)
SFs (out of 88)
Brewer -1.19 (48)
Deng -1.31 (51)
Ingram -2.05 (74)
PFs (out of 96)
LNJ 0.97 (23) - 11th DRPM
Randle 0.42 (31)
Kuzma -2.09 (85) - 16th ORPM, last in DRPM
Centers (out of 73)
Lopez 0.48 (20)
Bogut -0.19 (31)
Zu -1.12 (53) |
The players we hate the most are the highest. |
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tox
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| Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Update near the end of December:
Name: RPM (Pos. Rank)
PGs (out of 93)
Lonzo -0.44 (35) - 8th in DRPM
Clarkson -0.90 (45)
Ennis -1.55 (57)
--------------------- Dlo -1.90 (67)
--------------------- Mudiay -5.52 (93)
SGs (out of 100)
KCP 0.01 (22)
Hart -1.36 (42)
Caruso -2.14 (79)
SFs (out of 88)
Brewer -1.19 (48)
Deng -1.31 (51)
Ingram -2.05 (74)
PFs (out of 96)
LNJ 0.97 (23) - 11th DRPM
Randle 0.42 (31)
Kuzma -2.09 (85) - 16th ORPM, last in DRPM
Centers (out of 73)
Lopez 0.48 (20)
Bogut -0.19 (31)
Zu -1.12 (53) |
The players we hate the most are the highest. |
KCP I get because as much as people hate him, he's a far more dynamic scorer and even shooter than the likes of Hart and Caruso. Lopez is a no brainer with his prior.
Brewer is puzzling at first glance. #59 out of 88 in ORPM? In this case, I think his ORPM gets a boost from Ingram's ISO tendencies, and the fact that we don't have any other 3s. The Lakers score only 0.4 points per 100 possession fewer (well within error) with Brewer off the court vs. on it, so I guess ORPM deduced that Brewer isn't the reason our offense is so mediocre. Of course in reality, Brewer is awful. He just doesn't ball stop a la Ingram and keeps his usage fairly low so the lineup data is somewhat deceiving. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| textbook wrote: | | So lopez should be playing 38 min a game. |
Up though November, I thought Lopez was the team mvp, primarily for his impact on the defensive end. But his play really fell apart. |
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tox
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| Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| activeverb wrote: | | textbook wrote: | | So lopez should be playing 38 min a game. |
Up though November, I thought Lopez was the team mvp, primarily for his impact on the defensive end. But his play really fell apart. |
Yeah his RPM is dropping like an anchor. +2.77 a month and a half ago. +0.48 now. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Nance, Lopez, Randle, KCP only players with positive RPM. All < +1.  |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Only players on roster with a positive ORPM is Clarkson (29th PG) and Kuzma (16th PF). |
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