Lonzo played a fine game if compared to how he has been playing for the past month. But if the bar used is the expectations and hype surrounding him then yeah he played badly. Im not really high on the guy. I think he is mostly hype but he is a laker and some even labeled him the savior so im gonna give him time before i throw him under the bus. Not gonna love or hate him yet just gonna support him.
Funny thing is you, who have posted 14k+ posts, is the only person having a conclusion that kcp did not play awful. Could it be that you, the veteran old guy, are wrong?
I didn't conclude that....did not conclude anything similar to that. If your point on being here is continue to act like a little troll and act tough with your keyboard....move along to annoy someone else.
I apologize for annoying you that was not my intent. It just really ticked me off when you disagreed with the evaluation made of kcp’s performance. Especially when i thought he mainly lost us the game. I dont hate the guy just hated the way he played tonight of desperately trying to put up numbers instead of playing to win. Im not a troll dont even know what that means. Just trying to see what made you state your position.
Lonzo made the right plays. 2 of his turn overs were passed that had too much heat on them. Easily fixable. His blown lay up hung on the rim and he took that from point blank distance.
KCP shot a 3 on a 2 on 1. He took a heat check 4 seconds into the shot clock after hitting ONE 3. He screwed up 2 lobs. And fouled booker on a lay up that would have been blocked anyway.
Lonzo's mistakes are fixable. How do you fix KCP's stupidity?
Just so I can get this straight - Lonzo (a rookie in his 16th NBA game) should be on par with a vet? Okay gotcha. Roger that.
KCP is a better basketball player than Lonzo....you do agree with that? And dont do this...
"Lonzo (a rookie in his 16th NBA game) should be on par with a vet? Okay gotcha. Roger that."
Yes, KCP is better than Lonzo just like Lou Williams was better than Russell. I'd still rather see Lonzo or Russell fail and learn than see KCP or Lou Williams. Zo, and DLO represented hope which sometimes is more powerful than who is actually better.
not trying to be rude, but i think you may have not read the original point of the discussion....nobody is suggesting anything related to playing time. i do not think anyone, at least in this discussion disagrees with what you wrote.
I don't think you can simply look at the numbers.
Kcps multiple brain farts were momentum killers.
Freaking learn to throw a lob. It's not hard!
Learn to throw a bounce pass. It's not hard!
P&G Nation:
We are currently 6 games back of the Rockets. We started the season with a 19 year old rookie point. We have several new players learning on the fly, due to a stunted preseason, how to play with eachother. Reading eachother in the toughest conf in the league. Have you noticed how competitive this squad has been? How exciting it is to see the character and fight in this team. Multi-digit comebacks. Humble grind. In losses, there are lessons learned. There are roles defined. There is a common goal here. We got a better record than the clippers, and they got DJ and Griffin. Two allstars. Let’s keep our eye on the longview here, and not cannibalize eachother. I’m hoping Luke is teaching them the game between the ears. The mental fortitude part. I imagine there is more than one player right now, at the practice facility watching tape, getting reps in, or working on their J. Champions are created from overcoming failure. It makes them hungry to not only prove everyone else wrong, but to affirm that they have always been right. _________________ DEAR BASKETBALL
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Ball: 3 of 7 (0 of 1 from 3 & 0 of 2 from FT) 6 Points, 6 rebounds 6 Assists, 5 Steals, 1 Block and 3 TO's.....and you evaluate this as "fine"
KCP: 4 of 10 (2 of 6 from 3 & 3 of 4 from FT) 13 Points, 4 rebounds 4 Assists, 1 Steal, 1 Block and 4 TO's.....and you evaluate this as "AWFUL"
There's far more than numbers in his evaluation.
KCP made some dumb ass plays. Some really really stupid momentum killing plays. Heat checks that had no business being there. And turnovers at the worst times. This is why sometimes, numbers lie
Correct.
Think KCP messed up 2-3 alley oops and decided to shoot a 4 on a 2 on 1 amongst other things
and Lonzo had some terrible TO's and his blown layups are momentum killers
Lonzo made the right plays. 2 of his turn overs were passed that had too much heat on them. Easily fixable. His blown lay up hung on the rim and he took that from point blank distance.
KCP shot a 3 on a 2 on 1. He took a heat check 4 seconds into the shot clock after hitting ONE 3. He screwed up 2 lobs. And fouled booker on a lay up that would have been blocked anyway.
Lonzo's mistakes are fixable. How do you fix KCP's stupidity?
Just so I can get this straight - Lonzo (a rookie in his 16th NBA game) should be on par with a vet? Okay gotcha. Roger that.
I doubt anyone is trying to justify KCP, we all know is gone next season; being the patch he is. The only reason to compare is to signal that both had a bad game.
The bigger problem, for me, is Lonzo. He's supposed to be a part of the future but shows just flashes here and there of potential. I feel he wasn't the second overall pick he'd be on the bench or the Gleague, to enable him to develop.
He's not strong enough, fast enough, engaged enough, poor defense and has no shot, except for some rare games. Again, Lonzo was way over hyped here.
That's my take _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team !
Ball: 3 of 7 (0 of 1 from 3 & 0 of 2 from FT) 6 Points, 6 rebounds 6 Assists, 5 Steals, 1 Block and 3 TO's.....and you evaluate this as "fine"
KCP: 4 of 10 (2 of 6 from 3 & 3 of 4 from FT) 13 Points, 4 rebounds 4 Assists, 1 Steal, 1 Block and 4 TO's.....and you evaluate this as "AWFUL"
There's far more than numbers in his evaluation.
KCP made some dumb ass plays. Some really really stupid momentum killing plays. Heat checks that had no business being there. And turnovers at the worst times. This is why sometimes, numbers lie
Correct.
Think KCP messed up 2-3 alley oops and decided to shoot a 4 on a 2 on 1 amongst other things
and Lonzo had some terrible TO's and his blown layups are momentum killers
Lonzo made the right plays. 2 of his turn overs were passed that had too much heat on them. Easily fixable. His blown lay up hung on the rim and he took that from point blank distance.
KCP shot a 3 on a 2 on 1. He took a heat check 4 seconds into the shot clock after hitting ONE 3. He screwed up 2 lobs. And fouled booker on a lay up that would have been blocked anyway.
Lonzo's mistakes are fixable. How do you fix KCP's stupidity?
Just so I can get this straight - Lonzo (a rookie in his 16th NBA game) should be on par with a vet? Okay gotcha. Roger that.
I doubt anyone is trying to justify KCP, we all know is gone next season; being the patch he is. The only reason to compare is to signal that both had a bad game.
The bigger problem, for me, is Lonzo. He's supposed to be a part of the future but shows just flashes here and there of potential. I feel he wasn't the second overall pick he'd be on the bench or the Gleague, to enable him to develop.
He's not strong enough, fast enough, engaged enough, poor defense and has no shot, except for some rare games. Again, Lonzo was way over hyped here.
That's my take
Some Thoughts
First pick with Philly, how well is he doing?
Tatum (third pick) which superstar is taking of the pressure shots?
Simmons and Embiid are older than Lonzo plus have been in the NBA 1-3 seasons more to have firsthand knowledge of what it takes to have success plus they have Reddick/Covington to stretch the floor
Lopez is an upgrade from Mosgov but Embiid totally handled DeAndre Jordan - many would agree is better than most teams’ centers. Lakers still have a hole at the center position
Ball: 3 of 7 (0 of 1 from 3 & 0 of 2 from FT) 6 Points, 6 rebounds 6 Assists, 5 Steals, 1 Block and 3 TO's.....and you evaluate this as "fine"
KCP: 4 of 10 (2 of 6 from 3 & 3 of 4 from FT) 13 Points, 4 rebounds 4 Assists, 1 Steal, 1 Block and 4 TO's.....and you evaluate this as "AWFUL"
There's far more than numbers in his evaluation.
KCP made some dumb ass plays. Some really really stupid momentum killing plays. Heat checks that had no business being there. And turnovers at the worst times. This is why sometimes, numbers lie
Correct.
Think KCP messed up 2-3 alley oops and decided to shoot a 4 on a 2 on 1 amongst other things
and Lonzo had some terrible TO's and his blown layups are momentum killers
Lonzo made the right plays. 2 of his turn overs were passed that had too much heat on them. Easily fixable. His blown lay up hung on the rim and he took that from point blank distance.
KCP shot a 3 on a 2 on 1. He took a heat check 4 seconds into the shot clock after hitting ONE 3. He screwed up 2 lobs. And fouled booker on a lay up that would have been blocked anyway.
Lonzo's mistakes are fixable. How do you fix KCP's stupidity?
Just so I can get this straight - Lonzo (a rookie in his 16th NBA game) should be on par with a vet? Okay gotcha. Roger that.
I doubt anyone is trying to justify KCP, we all know is gone next season; being the patch he is. The only reason to compare is to signal that both had a bad game.
The bigger problem, for me, is Lonzo. He's supposed to be a part of the future but shows just flashes here and there of potential. I feel he wasn't the second overall pick he'd be on the bench or the Gleague, to enable him to develop.
He's not strong enough, fast enough, engaged enough, poor defense and has no shot, except for some rare games. Again, Lonzo was way over hyped here.
That's my take
Some Thoughts
First pick with Philly, how well is he doing?
Tatum (third pick) which superstar is taking of the pressure shots?
Simmons and Embiid are older than Lonzo plus have been in the NBA 1-3 seasons more to have firsthand knowledge of what it takes to have success plus they have Reddick/Covington to stretch the floor
Lopez is an upgrade from Mosgov but Embiid totally handled DeAndre Jordan - many would agree is better than most teams’ centers. Lakers still have a hole at the center position
Magic had Kareem as a dependable veteran outlet
+1. Borrowing from the Beattles: "Speaking words of wisdom"
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I'm stunned to see 40 pages of LG posts on one early season game. Jeez.
Not so stunned to see an early season loss, and only a little surprised to see a loss to Phoenix. A little disappointed, but that's the whole of it. Not a big deal. _________________ “These GOAT discussions are fun distractions while sitting around waiting for the pizza to be served.”
I don't know what's more depressing? Lakers losing to the Suns or Celtics beating GSW winning 14 in a row looking like a Championship contender. It's a bad sign when you lose at home to the worst team in the league. That makes you the worst team in the league.
So Luke's solution to Lonzo is to still start him but tell him NOT to shoot? You shouldn't be playing in the NBA if you can't knock down open jumpers. You're hindering your teammate's ability to score if they have to play 4 against 5 on offense.
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