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 Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:40 pm Post subject: Question: Can a team stretch a player that they traded for? |
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| I have seen several fans post trade proposals about this, but I am not sure its legal under the CBA. I thought you can only stretch a player that you signed yourself. I might be getting that rule mixed up with the amnesty provision. Can anyone answer this question? Maybe Larry Coon or somebody? Thanks. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: Question: Can a team stretch a player that they traded for? |
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| scoobs wrote: | | I have seen several fans post trade proposals about this, but I am not sure its legal under the CBA. I thought you can only stretch a player that you signed yourself. I might be getting that rule mixed up with the amnesty provision. Can anyone answer this question? Maybe Larry Coon or somebody? Thanks. |
I know the Clips did it before after take took on players from the Bucks that one time. |
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Yes, you can waive a player that you traded for. You must be thinking of amnesty which would only apply for a player you signed.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Yes, you can waive a player that you traded for. You must be thinking of amnesty which would only apply for a player you signed. |
I know that you could waive a player that you traded for. My question was, can you stretch a player that you traded for. |
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Stretching is waiving a player
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There's no limitation to stretching a player acquired through a trade.
The only limitation a team has as far as stretching salary is that the total combined "stretched" salary cannot amount to more than 15% of the overall salary cap for any season.
For instance, in theory the Lakers could have kept Mozgov and opted to stretch both him and Deng this upcoming off-season, however it would have amounted to almost exactly 15% of the salary cap and they would have been prevented from stretching any further salary going forward should they have needed to. |
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Here is an example of Portland doing it last summer.
TRAIL BLAZERS TRADE CRABBE TO BROOKLYN FOR NICHOLSON (Posted: Jul 25, 2017)
Portland Trail Blazers Team Payroll
Andrew Nicholson
Waived under stretch provision on August 30, 2017.
Traded to POR on July 25, 2017.
2019-20 is player option.
Signed 4-yr/$26M deal on July 7, 2016.
The charges against team salary for the following seasons.
2017 - 18
$2,844,429
2018 - 19
$2,844,429
2019 - 20
$2,844,429
2020 - 21
$2,844,429
2021 - 22
$2,844,429
2022 -23
$2,844,429
2023 -24
$2,844,429
The setup on Basketball Reference didn't go far enough into the future, so I had add the 2023 - 24 season to make the numbers right.
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| Hmmm, interesting. So could the Lakers potentially trade Deng and an asset for a less terrible contract, and then waive that player for a substantially lower cost each year? |
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They could but it would have to be a valuable asset
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| Emplay's extend and stretch plan still seems the best. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Stretching is waiving a player |
My understanding of it is that when you waive a player the payments are always stretched while the team has the option whether or not to stretch the cap hit. There is a deadline to include the 'current' year in the stretch.
Yes, you can stretch a salary you trade for in terms of cap hit.
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Stretching is waiving a player |
My understanding of it is that when you waive a player the payments are always stretched while the team has the option whether or not to stretch the cap hit. There is a deadline to include the 'current' year in the stretch.
Yes, you can stretch a salary you trade for in terms of cap hit. |
Yup. I think the op was mistaking stretch for amnesty.
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| LAPauer wrote: | | Hmmm, interesting. So could the Lakers potentially trade Deng and an asset for a less terrible contract, and then waive that player for a substantially lower cost each year? |
That is great news! It gives the Lakers a lot of different options in terms of what they do with Deng. |
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| scoobs wrote: | | LAPauer wrote: | | Hmmm, interesting. So could the Lakers potentially trade Deng and an asset for a less terrible contract, and then waive that player for a substantially lower cost each year? |
That is great news! It gives the Lakers a lot of different options in terms of what they do with Deng. |
But before you celebrate, imagine you're every other GM in the league and decide which asset we have is enough for you to TAKE DENG also; and temper the excitement/expectations.
You have a bad contract and then the Lakers ask you to trade for a worse one. What would it take to say yes?
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| AshesToAshes wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | That is great news! It gives the Lakers a lot of different options in terms of what they do with Deng. |
But before you celebrate, imagine you're every other GM in the league and decide which asset we have is enough for you to TAKE DENG also; and temper the excitement/expectations.
You have a bad contract and then the Lakers ask you to trade for a worse one. What would it take to say yes? |
I think that the best case scenario is a deadline deal to some contender who thinks that Randall or Clarkson is the piece they need to make a run in the playoffs. It seems unlikely, but this sort of thing happens. |
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| AshesToAshes wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | LAPauer wrote: | | Hmmm, interesting. So could the Lakers potentially trade Deng and an asset for a less terrible contract, and then waive that player for a substantially lower cost each year? |
That is great news! It gives the Lakers a lot of different options in terms of what they do with Deng. |
But before you celebrate, imagine you're every other GM in the league and decide which asset we have is enough for you to TAKE DENG also; and temper the excitement/expectations.
You have a bad contract and then the Lakers ask you to trade for a worse one. What would it take to say yes? |
That is the sticking point. The cost might exceed the benefit.
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There seems to be 4 options for clearing most of Deng's salary off our cap for next season.
Option 1: Extend and Stretch
A plan proposed by Eric Pincus/emplay wherein the Lakers would offer Deng a 5-year extension at virtually the same amount of money he's currently owed thereby allowing them to stretch his salary over the span of 11 years instead of 5. The only snags with this plan are that Deng would likely want some additional compensation to play along and there's a chance the league might veto the extension viewing it as circumvention rather than exploiting a loophole.
Option 2: Buyout and Stretch
This plan would hinge upon Deng's impatience to play for another team and potentially earn another contract. Essentially Deng and the Lakers would agree upon a buyout whereby Deng would take a significant discount on the remaining salary owed to him on his contract under the understanding that he would be released and free to sign with another team where he may actually get to play. Following this the Lakers would stretch the remaining salary owed. Deron Williams recently agreed to a buyout reducing his salary owed by about $18 million for the chance to join another team so it isn't unprecedented.
Option 3: Trade and Stretch
Essentially the Lakers would trade Deng for a slightly less horrible contract using a marginal asset such as a 2nd round pick. The Lakers would then stretch that player for a smaller cap hit then Deng. Some examples of potential players would be Brandon Knight, Gorgui Dieng, Dwight Powell, Solomon Hill, Omer Asik, Timofey Mozgov, Jonas Valanciunas, Tristan Thompson, Miles Plumlee, Marvin Williams, Cody Zeller, Dion Waiters, or Ian Mahinmi.
Option 4: Just Stretch |
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| ToastedMuffins wrote: | There seems to be 4 options for clearing most of Deng's salary off our cap for next season.
Option 1: Extend and Stretch
A plan proposed by Eric Pincus/emplay wherein the Lakers would offer Deng a 5-year extension at virtually the same amount of money he's currently owed thereby allowing them to stretch his salary over the span of 11 years instead of 5. The only snags with this plan are that Deng would likely want some additional compensation to play along and there's a chance the league might veto the extension viewing it as circumvention rather than exploiting a loophole.
Option 2: Buyout and Stretch
This plan would hinge upon Deng's impatience to play for another team and potentially earn another contract. Essentially Deng and the Lakers would agree upon a buyout whereby Deng would take a significant discount on the remaining salary owed to him on his contract under the understanding that he would be released and free to sign with another team where he may actually get to play. Following this the Lakers would stretch the remaining salary owed. Deron Williams recently agreed to a buyout reducing his salary owed by about $18 million for the chance to join another team so it isn't unprecedented.
Option 3: Trade and Stretch
Essentially the Lakers would trade Deng for a slightly less horrible contract using a marginal asset such as a 2nd round pick. The Lakers would then stretch that player for a smaller cap hit then Deng. Some examples of potential players would be Brandon Knight, Gorgui Dieng, Dwight Powell, Solomon Hill, Omer Asik, Timofey Mozgov, Jonas Valanciunas, Tristan Thompson, Miles Plumlee, Marvin Williams, Cody Zeller, Dion Waiters, or Ian Mahinmi.
Option 4: Just Stretch |
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| Lamar's Bud wrote: | | ToastedMuffins wrote: | There seems to be 4 options for clearing most of Deng's salary off our cap for next season.
Option 1: Extend and Stretch
A plan proposed by Eric Pincus/emplay wherein the Lakers would offer Deng a 5-year extension at virtually the same amount of money he's currently owed thereby allowing them to stretch his salary over the span of 11 years instead of 5. The only snags with this plan are that Deng would likely want some additional compensation to play along and there's a chance the league might veto the extension viewing it as circumvention rather than exploiting a loophole.
Option 2: Buyout and Stretch
This plan would hinge upon Deng's impatience to play for another team and potentially earn another contract. Essentially Deng and the Lakers would agree upon a buyout whereby Deng would take a significant discount on the remaining salary owed to him on his contract under the understanding that he would be released and free to sign with another team where he may actually get to play. Following this the Lakers would stretch the remaining salary owed. Deron Williams recently agreed to a buyout reducing his salary owed by about $18 million for the chance to join another team so it isn't unprecedented.
Option 3: Trade and Stretch
Essentially the Lakers would trade Deng for a slightly less horrible contract using a marginal asset such as a 2nd round pick. The Lakers would then stretch that player for a smaller cap hit then Deng. Some examples of potential players would be Brandon Knight, Gorgui Dieng, Dwight Powell, Solomon Hill, Omer Asik, Timofey Mozgov, Jonas Valanciunas, Tristan Thompson, Miles Plumlee, Marvin Williams, Cody Zeller, Dion Waiters, or Ian Mahinmi.
Option 4: Just Stretch |
If Rob and Magic did that.... |
It would certainly be ironic, but he's owed less money over the same amount of years as Deng and has recently been benched in Brooklyn in favor of both Tyler Zeller and Jarrett Allen while the team has been playing better following this. If Brooklyn thinks Mozgov is washed up and that Deng could have something left in the tank, it's conceivable they could be interested in a straight swap. |
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