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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:42 pm    Post subject:

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Kuzma is our best freaking player and our best option on offense.
A regular 20 ppg player isnt starting yet Lonzo who shouldnt even be in the NBA is. I am livid with the whole thing to say the least.
They also get the same amount of shot attempts despite Lonzo being historically bad at shooting and by far the worst in the league in all shooting stats.

Its just frustrating. Ingram and Kuzma are clearly our two best players and should be treated as such. Start building around them now instead of doing whatever Luke is doing.


I don't really agree with everything you're saying here, but I will say that just about any other team in the league who had a young player with Kuzma's polish and efficiency on offense would be giving him all the opportunity in the world to figure out what kind of player he could be.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:43 pm    Post subject:

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Kuzma is our best freaking player and our best option on offense.
A regular 20 ppg player isnt starting yet Lonzo who shouldnt even be in the NBA is. I am livid with the whole thing to say the least.
They also get the same amount of shot attempts despite Lonzo being historically bad at shooting and by far the worst in the league in all shooting stats.

Its just frustrating. Ingram and Kuzma are clearly our two best players and should be treated as such. Start building around them now instead of doing whatever Luke is doing.


Honestly couldn't have said it better!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:43 pm    Post subject:

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If we run the ball through Kuz and Ingram, no one else will touch the ball (hyperbole). Our ball movement is bad enough as it is.


They’re easily the best offensive players we have. Lack of distinct offensive focal points has been killing us this year. Someone needs to get the ball when points are needed and why not the two best guys? I’d rather let them do what they do than watch Clarkson suffocate the ball and then jack up a shot or Lopez, a 7 foot center, bricking threes.


Personally, I like the ball to move more to allow everyone to be a threat on offense. You can see that Kuzma and BI still get theres even when we're not looking for them all the time.

Kuz just has that Cedric Ceballos in him, where he can score even when you don't call his number.


So then who else is a threat besides them? Because the other options aren't exactly reliable offense. KCP is flames or ice cold. Lonzo is in the arctic. No idea where Brook is, and when he's on, it's ISO post-ups and honestly ugly to watch. Larry is crazy efficient but he needs to be set up.

JC and Randle are threats, but they also come off the bench. So I don't really get wanting the ball to be shared among a bunch of non-threats on offense.



I feel they have to run the plays this way where everyone gets a look.
Yes, guys like Brook and KCP aren't consistent.
But imagine we run the same plays and we replace KCP and Brook with guys such as PG and Boogie for example.

The guys have to learn good habits now.


So they shouldn't start Kuzma & put it on him to develop better habits as a starter because the Lakers might sign Boogie or PG this offseason? I don't know about that one...



If we're strictly talking about developing him, he can develop starting or off the bench. That shouldn't matter.

If we're talking about running plays through him half the time and running through BI the other half, then I dont think that's the best option. If you think it is, that's fine.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:45 pm    Post subject:

The only reason Kuzma is not starting is cause he was picked at 27. Luke is a grade A (bleep) idiot
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:53 pm    Post subject:

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The only reason Kuzma is not starting is cause he was picked at 27. Luke is a grade A (bleep) idiot


So true.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:54 pm    Post subject:

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The only reason Kuzma is not starting is cause Luke is a grade A (bleep) idiot


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:56 pm    Post subject:

E=MC² wrote:
The only reason Kuzma is not starting is cause he was picked at 27. Luke is a grade A (bleep) idiot


I don't think that's Luke's call. First game of the season we didn't even know if Kuzma would play 10 minutes...Luke started giving him heavy minutes when Nance was starting and he was closing out games. Then when Nance gets back from injury Luke does this whole 180 on Kuzma. I think it's most likely making that decision. They're trying to force Lonzo to be star and that's not exactly who he is.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:56 pm    Post subject:

Rookie of the month and still coming off the bench, on a crappy team none the less. The other rookie of the month isn't coming off the bench, that's for sure.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:57 pm    Post subject:

His essays get a lot of lols on here but also it is the greatest feeling in the world to agree with MJST on things
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:59 pm    Post subject:

Which other team in the NBA has their best scorer (and shooter) come off the bench?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:00 pm    Post subject:

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Which other team in the NBA has their best scorer (and shooter) come off the bench?


Denver and Utah. Oh, and now the clippers
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:03 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
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Which other team in the NBA has their best scorer (and shooter) come off the bench?


Denver and Utah. Oh, and now the clippers


Which other team has their best player come off the bench?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:05 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
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Which other team in the NBA has their best scorer (and shooter) come off the bench?


Denver and Utah. Oh, and now the clippers


I’ll give you Utah, but looks like Mitchell might be their best scorer lately and now he’s starting.

Denver has Jokic, Millsap and Gary’s harris as their top 3 scorers. They all start.

Blake is their best scorer when healthy and he starts. Gallo would be second best and he starts too.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:06 pm    Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:
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Which other team in the NBA has their best scorer (and shooter) come off the bench?


Denver and Utah. Oh, and now the clippers


Which other team has their best player come off the bench?


The Lakers last year
assuming we are both talking about Randle in this situation
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:40 am    Post subject:

Randle? Lol.. I love this forum.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:10 am    Post subject:

I've seen Luke visibly angry at this kid when he makes a mistake on the floor...which I have no problem with, but I never see Luke visibly angry at Lonzo when he makes a mistake. This kid rarely shows fire and comes across to damn California cool. Is it too early to say that we made a poor pick?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:36 am    Post subject:

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I've seen Luke visibly angry at this kid when he makes a mistake on the floor...which I have no problem with, but I never see Luke visibly angry at Lonzo when he makes a mistake. This kid rarely shows fire and comes across to damn California cool. Is it too early to say that we made a poor pick?


Ya it's too early
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:57 am    Post subject:

justsomelakerfan wrote:
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I've seen Luke visibly angry at this kid when he makes a mistake on the floor...which I have no problem with, but I never see Luke visibly angry at Lonzo when he makes a mistake. This kid rarely shows fire and comes across to damn California cool. Is it too early to say that we made a poor pick?


Ya it's too early

Not at head coach.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:03 am    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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I've seen Luke visibly angry at this kid when he makes a mistake on the floor...which I have no problem with, but I never see Luke visibly angry at Lonzo when he makes a mistake. This kid rarely shows fire and comes across to damn California cool. Is it too early to say that we made a poor pick?


Ya it's too early

Not at head coach.


oh well that's a different story

it's too early to say that Lonzo was a poor pick, that's how I read that
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justsomelakerfan wrote:
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I've seen Luke visibly angry at this kid when he makes a mistake on the floor...which I have no problem with, but I never see Luke visibly angry at Lonzo when he makes a mistake. This kid rarely shows fire and comes across to damn California cool. Is it too early to say that we made a poor pick?


Ya it's too early

Not at head coach.


oh well that's a different story

it's too early to say that Lonzo was a poor pick, that's how I read that

Oh yeah, the Lonzo stuff us nonsense. But Luke is pointlessly using a double standard with Kuzma.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:43 pm    Post subject:

I fear Luke will hinder Kuzma's development. He seems to treat Kuz and Randle differently from everyone else even thought they are our 2 best players.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:54 pm    Post subject:

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I fear Luke will hinder Kuzma's development. He seems to treat Kuz and Randle differently from everyone else even thought they are our 2 best players.


Could be a lot going on behind the curtain. From all accounts Lonzo and BI are model players and do what ever the coaches ask them to in practice so maybe they have a longer rope. Mabye Kuz and Randle don't listen as much in practice.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:09 pm    Post subject:

So are we putting together a Boy Scout team? I mean look at the cast of “I don’t give a F” guys he’s played alongside of. I fear we are overly investing in politeness over talent. Oh and the Lakers May pursue boogie? He isn’t exactly a “yes sir” guy. Neither is lbj.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:28 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
justsomelakerfan wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
justsomelakerfan wrote:
captain jack wrote:
I've seen Luke visibly angry at this kid when he makes a mistake on the floor...which I have no problem with, but I never see Luke visibly angry at Lonzo when he makes a mistake. This kid rarely shows fire and comes across to damn California cool. Is it too early to say that we made a poor pick?


Ya it's too early

Not at head coach.


oh well that's a different story

it's too early to say that Lonzo was a poor pick, that's how I read that

Oh yeah, the Lonzo stuff us nonsense. But Luke is pointlessly using a double standard with Kuzma.


Lopez and KCP jack up what they want. Randle is less of an ideally willing passer. But Kuz is the only one who gets punished for shot selection (or errant passes , Luke gave him the death stare 2 games ago)
..... I don't like it
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:07 pm    Post subject:

I have seen Luke get on him when he has developed tunnel vision. He yanked Randle a couple of games ago and it was the right thing to do. Randle came back in and moved the ball with some good passing. Luke did that to Kuzma recently.
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