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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:52 pm    Post subject:

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/12/7/16744356/lonzo-ball-los-angeles-laker-shot

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Not every executive and scout had Ball ranked first or second leading up to June’s draft. I’ve talked to a handful that had him in the nos. 5-8 range. They’re looking smart now. I have to admit, I’m questioning myself for even ranking him third overall behind Markelle Fultz and Jayson Tatum.


Obviously his shot is off right now (understatement of the year, yes), but this is a ridiculously unfair assessment which doesn't at all account for Lonzo's other contributions, as compared to his peers. But yeah, let's all pretend that everybody's pre-draft darlings DSJ, Jackson, and Fox are lighting the NBA on fire with their trash ass shooting (almost as bad as Lonzo's, actually, which NOBODY mentions - all barely 40% FG/30% 3-PT or below), without the same impact in other areas as Lonzo does to compensate.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:56 pm    Post subject:

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Not every executive and scout had Ball ranked first or second leading up to June’s draft. I’ve talked to a handful that had him in the nos. 5-8 range. They’re looking smart now. I have to admit, I’m questioning myself for even ranking him third overall behind Markelle Fultz and Jayson Tatum.


Obviously his shot is off right now (understatement of the year, yes), but this is a ridiculously unfair assessment which doesn't at all account for Lonzo's other contributions, as compared to his peers. But yeah, let's all pretend that everybody's pre-draft darlings DSJ, Jackson, and Fox are lighting the NBA on fire with their trash ass shooting (almost as bad as Lonzo's, actually, which NOBODY mentions - all barely 40% FG/30% 3-PT or below), without the same impact in other areas as Lonzo does to compensate.

I actively avoid Kevin O'Connor articles that have anything to do with the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:57 pm    Post subject:

Hope ZO comes out aggressive tonight. Focus on rebounding and take it from there.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:01 pm    Post subject:

saetarubia wrote:
Hope ZO comes out aggressive tonight. Focus on rebounding and take it from there.


Chances of Lebron tweeting about tonight’s game are pretty high #calculated
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:14 pm    Post subject:

saetarubia wrote:
Hope ZO comes out aggressive tonight. Focus on rebounding and take it from there.


I just hope he doesn't embarrass himself again, and plays with some fire.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:55 pm    Post subject:

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Let me help y'all out:

Randle doesn't make fiscal sense for the Lakers unless they abandon the 2-max-players-not-currently-on-the-team plan.

The 2-max plan is the correct strategy to pursue because it is the quickest way to assemble a championship roster. It may not work (might not get the 2 guys you want to sign, might sign them but not win it all, etc.), but if it is an option you have to explore it until it is no longer an option. Example: Jerry West & Shaq signing - West had ample reasons to break off the Shaq pursuit (couldn't match the money in Orlando, etc.), but went all in and when the Magic stumbled, the Lakers were the last team standing.

Why does Randle not make fiscal sense? Am I missing something?

If Randle ends up getting 10-15 mill/yr, he’ll be a Laker. The Lakers can afford a 13 million dollar Randle, yes, even with George and James:

65 mill - (George and James)
20 mill - (Ingram, Ball, Nance, Hart, Caruso, Bryant, Thomas, Kuzma, Wear)
13 mill - (Randle caphold)
100 mill (approx.)

Four years, fifty million is good value for Randle. Very fiscally sensical, IMO.



Your plan depends on trading Deng and Clarkson for expiring contracts while including nothing more than draft picks. That's possible, but it's more likely we'd need to stretch him at a cost of $7.2 million a year. Under that scenario, keeping Randle seems impossible.

Also, your plan depends on Randle not signing an offer sheet for an higher amount. Again that's possible, but it's also possible for Cuban or some other owner coming in with a higher offer to force our hand.

So, yeah, what you're posing could happen, but it's the wet dream "I can't believe everything worked out our way so amazingly perfect" scenario.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:01 pm    Post subject:

BennyLava wrote:
saetarubia wrote:
Hope ZO comes out aggressive tonight. Focus on rebounding and take it from there.


I just hope he doesn't embarrass himself again, and plays with some fire.


This is one of those games that will be vey indicative of where his head is it..

preseason ROY favorites-- Simmons and Ball
had a terrible game against Philly once
in a 'passive slump'
lost a few in a row
his dad has been out there talking

Lonza better step up
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:17 pm    Post subject:

2019 wrote:
BennyLava wrote:
saetarubia wrote:
Hope ZO comes out aggressive tonight. Focus on rebounding and take it from there.


I just hope he doesn't embarrass himself again, and plays with some fire.


This is one of those games that will be vey indicative of where his head is it..

preseason ROY favorites-- Simmons and Ball
had a terrible game against Philly once
in a 'passive slump'
lost a few in a row
his dad has been out there talking

Lonza better step up


The crowd is going to be brutal. I've been really dreading this game.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:20 pm    Post subject:

greenfrog wrote:
2019 wrote:
BennyLava wrote:
saetarubia wrote:
Hope ZO comes out aggressive tonight. Focus on rebounding and take it from there.


I just hope he doesn't embarrass himself again, and plays with some fire.


This is one of those games that will be vey indicative of where his head is it..

preseason ROY favorites-- Simmons and Ball
had a terrible game against Philly once
in a 'passive slump'
lost a few in a row
his dad has been out there talking

Lonza better step up


The crowd is going to be brutal. I've been really dreading this game.


I was at the game in philly last year and there were a ton of Laker fans - we should be okay.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:49 pm    Post subject:

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the nutty thing is, we literally changed up the starting lineup after one game, sending deng to the bench

this starting lineup has had tons of time together and almost always gets us off to terrible starts - yet luke won't budge


We get off to crappy starts, IMO...because Lopez is in there. Our game plan, every game, is to feed it to him in the post or run pick and pops with him at the start...he bricks all of those shots and we are down 16-6. Nance has been bricking early too.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:25 pm    Post subject:

Fortysixn2 wrote:
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the nutty thing is, we literally changed up the starting lineup after one game, sending deng to the bench

this starting lineup has had tons of time together and almost always gets us off to terrible starts - yet luke won't budge


We get off to crappy starts, IMO...because Lopez is in there. Our game plan, every game, is to feed it to him in the post or run pick and pops with him at the start...he bricks all of those shots and we are down 16-6. Nance has been bricking early too.


yeah Lopez not hitting shots hurts everybody... especially Lonzo
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:09 pm    Post subject:

If we could this aggressive Lonzo for most of the games; I would be perfectly happy with his rookie year. He’s attacking really well tonight.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:20 pm    Post subject:

I like his body English tonight. He looks intense.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:24 pm    Post subject:

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I like his body English tonight. He looks intense.


And language :p
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:26 pm    Post subject:

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I like his body English tonight. He looks intense.


He's capable of comfortably playing faster than everyone else when he's right. That first half is one of the first times he's really applied that in the NBA.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:26 pm    Post subject:

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I like his body English tonight. He looks intense.


He's capable of comfortably playing faster than everyone else when he's right. That first half is one of the first times he's really applied that in the NBA.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:31 pm    Post subject:

6pts/5rebs/5asts/3stls/2blks in the first half...filling up the stat sheet as usual
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:31 pm    Post subject:

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6pts/5rebs/5asts/3stls/2blks in the first half...filling up the stat sheet as usual


Love that overall game
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:35 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
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6pts/5rebs/5asts/3stls/2blks in the first half...filling up the stat sheet as usual


Love that overall game


Yet people still only focus on his scoring smh
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:36 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
I like his body English tonight. He looks intense.


He's capable of comfortably playing faster than everyone else when he's right. That first half is one of the first times he's really applied that in the NBA.


A few weeks ago he said his ankle was still not 100%. Now the calves. He really needs his full speed to be effective at this point
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:43 pm    Post subject:

LONZO MADE THE RIGHT PLAY SHOOTING THAT 3

THE TEAM WAS NOT MOVING AND IT GAVE US THE 2 FOR 1
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:44 pm    Post subject:

Great overall game baby!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:44 pm    Post subject:

Great game Zo!! I thought he lost his man few too many times on defense, but when your rookie point is putting up 10/8/8/4/3 with 0 turnovers... how much can you complain?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:45 pm    Post subject:

Collapsed the defense and got Ingram a wide open look on that game-winner!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:45 pm    Post subject:

Fudge You Sixers!!!
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