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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:28 pm    Post subject:

GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT, DAMMNIT
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:55 am    Post subject:

PHILosophize wrote:
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:28 am    Post subject:

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If we benched KCP and put him in the Brewer roll, put Ingram at the 2, Kuzma at the 3, Randle at the 4, Lopez at the 5 it'd fix a lot of this.

But knowing Luke it would take both Brewer and KCP getting hurt before he even attempted it.


It would also break the defense. Ingram guarding twos is no bueno.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:31 am    Post subject:

BI is not a good enough shooter to play SG
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:45 am    Post subject:

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If we benched KCP and put him in the Brewer roll, put Ingram at the 2, Kuzma at the 3, Randle at the 4, Lopez at the 5 it'd fix a lot of this.

But knowing Luke it would take both Brewer and KCP getting hurt before he even attempted it.


That seems like an ISO heavy line up and it would almost certainly take a hit defensively with Randle at the 4, Kuzma and Ingram chasing around SG's. Also there is still only one guy in there that can shoot, so there is no improvement there.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:19 pm    Post subject:

defense wrote:
MJST wrote:
If we benched KCP and put him in the Brewer roll, put Ingram at the 2, Kuzma at the 3, Randle at the 4, Lopez at the 5 it'd fix a lot of this.

But knowing Luke it would take both Brewer and KCP getting hurt before he even attempted it.


That seems like an ISO heavy line up and it would almost certainly take a hit defensively with Randle at the 4, Kuzma and Ingram chasing around SG's. Also there is still only one guy in there that can shoot, so there is no improvement there.


It would take a hit defensively with the guy that can defend all 5 positions and actually get their own shot replacing Nance? Um... what?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:25 pm    Post subject:

PHILosophize wrote:
GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT, DAMMNIT


There is an old saying about being a coach: If you listen to the fans, you'll soon be sitting with them.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:37 pm    Post subject:

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If we benched KCP and put him in the Brewer roll, put Ingram at the 2, Kuzma at the 3, Randle at the 4, Lopez at the 5 it'd fix a lot of this.

But knowing Luke it would take both Brewer and KCP getting hurt before he even attempted it.


That seems like an ISO heavy line up and it would almost certainly take a hit defensively with Randle at the 4, Kuzma and Ingram chasing around SG's. Also there is still only one guy in there that can shoot, so there is no improvement there.


It would take a hit defensively with the guy that can defend all 5 positions and actually get their own shot replacing Nance? Um... what?


We obviously have very different views on Randle and that's all you took from my statement?
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If we benched KCP and put him in the Brewer roll, put Ingram at the 2, Kuzma at the 3, Randle at the 4, Lopez at the 5 it'd fix a lot of this.

But knowing Luke it would take both Brewer and KCP getting hurt before he even attempted it.


That seems like an ISO heavy line up and it would almost certainly take a hit defensively with Randle at the 4, Kuzma and Ingram chasing around SG's. Also there is still only one guy in there that can shoot, so there is no improvement there.


It would take a hit defensively with the guy that can defend all 5 positions and actually get their own shot replacing Nance? Um... what?


We obviously have very different views on Randle and that's all you took from my statement?


The problem wouldn’t be Julius, it would be Ingram or Kuzma checking SGs.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:32 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
MJST wrote:
If we benched KCP and put him in the Brewer roll, put Ingram at the 2, Kuzma at the 3, Randle at the 4, Lopez at the 5 it'd fix a lot of this.

But knowing Luke it would take both Brewer and KCP getting hurt before he even attempted it.


It would also break the defense. Ingram guarding twos is no bueno.

Disagree, his length can make up for a lot in foot speed and quickness.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:59 pm    Post subject:

The guy sure doesn’t like passing the ball
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:11 pm    Post subject:

very good. if only his 3pt shot was falling...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:13 pm    Post subject:

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The guy sure doesn’t like passing the ball


Yes! No one seems to call him out for it right now, but he was pretty much hogging every possession in the 4th.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:19 pm    Post subject:

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The guy sure doesn’t like passing the ball


He shot 8 for 16 from the floor! If anything he should be taking more shots.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:20 pm    Post subject:

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The guy sure doesn’t like passing the ball


Yes! No one seems to call him out for it right now, but he was pretty much hogging every possession in the 4th.


He has to let it fly. I'll take my chances with a guy who's shooting 50% from the field on the season. I don't believe he shoots it enough.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:22 pm    Post subject:

Luke needs to do a better job of handling this guys minutes though. 8/10 games he should be in the lineup to close games. I think he gets a little tired playing 16 straight minutes to close a game.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:23 pm    Post subject:

I thought he had a poor game to be honest. The stats don't reflect it, but he made some poor decisions and shot attempts at the most critical times.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:23 pm    Post subject:

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The guy sure doesn’t like passing the ball


he reminds me a lot of Clarkson from last season....if you want him to go out there and facilitate....he can do that......if you want him to go out there and score....he can do that.....but if you want him to go out there and facilitate & score....your likely to get a lot of bad shots and some turnovers.

Clarkson has came a long way this season in putting it together....so I assume at some point Kuzma will also.....like Clarkson often did, Kuzma has the tendency to kind of be a chucker this year.
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venturalakersfan wrote:
The guy sure doesn’t like passing the ball


Yes! No one seems to call him out for it right now, but he was pretty much hogging every possession in the 4th.


For a couple of months, Luke has been talking about how Kuzma stalls the offense and doesn't play defense. I get the impression Luke isn't as enthralled with him as fans -- Luke's take seems to be: "He's doing well for a rookie, but he has a lot to learn and a lot of areas he needs to improve in."
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lakerfan2012 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
The guy sure doesn’t like passing the ball


Yes! No one seems to call him out for it right now, but he was pretty much hogging every possession in the 4th.


For a couple of months, Luke has been talking about how Kuzma stalls the offense and doesn't play defense. I get the impression Luke isn't as enthralled with him as fans -- Luke's take seems to be: "He's doing well for a rookie, but he has a lot to learn and a lot of areas he needs to improve in."

He's talented but he's still a rookie and needs to be coached up. I do not have a problem with Luke trying to get rid of bad habits before they build.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:56 pm    Post subject:

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venturalakersfan wrote:
The guy sure doesn’t like passing the ball


Yes! No one seems to call him out for it right now, but he was pretty much hogging every possession in the 4th.


For a couple of months, Luke has been talking about how Kuzma stalls the offense and doesn't play defense. I get the impression Luke isn't as enthralled with him as fans -- Luke's take seems to be: "He's doing well for a rookie, but he has a lot to learn and a lot of areas he needs to improve in."


Luke is not fond of admitting his own mistakes. JC, Randle and Kuz are his favorite scapegoats. He always praises very little thing Nance does while criticizing every little mistake a rookie Kuz does. He's doing everything he can to defend his decision of starting Nance. He still doesn't want to admit that Nance doesn't fit the starting lineup right now.
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activeverb wrote:
lakerfan2012 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
The guy sure doesn’t like passing the ball


Yes! No one seems to call him out for it right now, but he was pretty much hogging every possession in the 4th.


For a couple of months, Luke has been talking about how Kuzma stalls the offense and doesn't play defense. I get the impression Luke isn't as enthralled with him as fans -- Luke's take seems to be: "He's doing well for a rookie, but he has a lot to learn and a lot of areas he needs to improve in."


Luke is not fond of admitting his own mistakes. JC, Randle and Kuz are his favorite scapegoats. He always praises very little thing Nance does while criticizing every little mistake a rookie Kuz does. He's doing everything he can to defend his decision of starting Nance. He still doesn't want to admit that Nance doesn't fit the starting lineup right now.


Luke likes players that remind him of himself: White, injury prone, and relevant cause of their last name. Although unlike Luke, Nance is actually decent. But like Luke, he’s not a starter type, and never will be. That’s not his game or his best fit on this team.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:13 pm    Post subject:

Love Kuzma but he was very trigger happy this game. Although he makes them sometimes he needs to break the habit of pulling up for a contested 3 as soon as he gets the ball. It's simply a bad shot, especially for a guy that has the ability to get to the rim. Lots of questionable decisions. Not a knock on him but he should be looking to get good looks. Korver is a marksman but is smart about his shot selection. Kuzma needs to be smart about his shot selection as well
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Megaton wrote:
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activeverb wrote:
lakerfan2012 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
The guy sure doesn’t like passing the ball


Yes! No one seems to call him out for it right now, but he was pretty much hogging every possession in the 4th.


For a couple of months, Luke has been talking about how Kuzma stalls the offense and doesn't play defense. I get the impression Luke isn't as enthralled with him as fans -- Luke's take seems to be: "He's doing well for a rookie, but he has a lot to learn and a lot of areas he needs to improve in."


Luke is not fond of admitting his own mistakes. JC, Randle and Kuz are his favorite scapegoats. He always praises very little thing Nance does while criticizing every little mistake a rookie Kuz does. He's doing everything he can to defend his decision of starting Nance. He still doesn't want to admit that Nance doesn't fit the starting lineup right now.


Luke likes players that remind him of himself: White, injury prone, and relevant cause of their last name. Although unlike Luke, Nance is actually decent. But like Luke, he’s not a starter type, and never will be. That’s not his game or his best fit on this team.


white? Bogut, Zubac and Caruso? Have not noticed any of those guys getting any extra love from Luke.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:20 pm    Post subject:

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Luke likes players that remind him of himself: White, injury prone, and relevant cause of their last name..


If you're going to play the race card, maybe be accurate about it. Don't we have enough of this race crap that you have to drag this in needlessly?

Luke likes him for all the other reasons you mentioned, but white ain't one of them.
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