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saetarubia Star Player
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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This is the kind of draft where you'd cherish 2 lottery picks. Kings so typical of them gave away #10. Glad they didn't get Donovan Mitchell or Kuzma. _________________ Showtime 2.0 |
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justsomelakerfan Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:18 am Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | Shout out to all of us that kept telling folks in the Draft Thread all year.....the 2017 draft was special.....and very deep! |
My assessment of this draft is that is was a really deep draft and that there was legit talent on the top but not an obvious Simmons-like superstar. I think that's still the case
What I didn't think was how ready a lot of these guys look out of the gate. There's going to be a changing of the guard in the NBA soon with all the young talent out there _________________ Austin Reaves
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Donovan Mitchell says do not engrave Ben Simmons name on that ROY trophy just yet!
31 points / 1 Rebound / 4 Assists / 5 Steals against the Thunder.... |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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CBS - THIS WEEK'S NBA ROOKIE POWER RANKINGS
1. Donovan Mitchell
2. Ben Simmons
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Dennis Smith Jr.
5. OG Anunoby
6. Kyle Kuzma
7. Lonzo Ball
8. Frank Mason III
9. Lauri Markkanen
10.Josh Jackson
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | CBS - THIS WEEK'S NBA ROOKIE POWER RANKINGS
1. Donovan Mitchell
2. Ben Simmons
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Dennis Smith Jr.
5. OG Anunoby
6. Kyle Kuzma
7. Lonzo Ball
8. Frank Mason III
9. Lauri Markkanen
10.Josh Jackson
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OG! Good to see him getting recognized for his solid role-playing on a good team.
Also, Jackson's dunk on the Polish Hammer was nasty! |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Jesus is De'Aaron Fox bad. |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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2017 Draft by RPM
1) Jayson Tatum........+1.80
2) OG Anunoby..........+1.51
3) Jordan Bell............+1.33
4) Donovan Mitchel.....+0.81
5) Lauri Markkanen......-0.90
6) Jonathan Isaac........-1.08
7) Bam Adebayo..........-1.41
8) Josh Hart................-1.58
9) Frank Mason............-1.89
10) Luke Kennard.........-1.95
11) Lonzo Ball..............-1.96
12) Dillon Brooks..........-2.06
13) Sindarius Thornwell.-2.52
14) Kyle Kuzma............-2.59
15) Frank Ntilikina........-2.62
16) Jawun Evans..........-2.65
17) TJ Leaf..................-2.83
18) Terrance Ferguson..-3.01
19) Dennis Smith.........-3.17
20) Dwayne Bacon.......-3.36
21) Malik Monk............-3.93
22) Justin Jackson........-4.22
23) Josh Jackson..........-4.69 (3rd-worst in NBA)
24) De'Aaron Fox..........-5.30 (worst in NBA)
I think RPM overrates a couple of players types (low usage defenders, bigs), so I compare guys with other players that are similar to what they are. |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Also, Jackson's dunk on the Polish Hammer was nasty! |
I had to go find it...had not watched last few games.
https://twitter.com/Suns/status/938991586611904512
still think the guy is going to be a problem for teams in a couple years. |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Donovan Mitchell with another big game!
32 Points / 3 Rebounds / 6 Assists / 2 Steals / 1 Block in a loss to Chicago.
In December, he is averaging 26 / 3 / 3 |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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as of today (if voted on today) , I would say there are 4 for sure All Rookie 1st Team guys.....
1. Ben Simmons
2. Jayson Tatum
3. Donovan Mitchell
4. Kyle Kuzma |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:52 am Post subject: |
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Man, can’t believe Tatum leads the league on 3pt shooting. That’s amazing for a rookie. |
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:44 am Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | Man, can’t believe Tatum leads the league on 3pt shooting. That’s amazing for a rookie. |
I can’t believe we didn’t draft him. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:46 am Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | as of today (if voted on today) , I would say there are 4 for sure All Rookie 1st Team guys.....
1. Ben Simmons
2. Jayson Tatum
3. Donovan Mitchell
4. Kyle Kuzma |
Those are the four no-brainers. No clear #5 at this point. I might go for Lauri Markkanen. |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Also, Jackson's dunk on the Polish Hammer was nasty! |
I had to go find it...had not watched last few games.
https://twitter.com/Suns/status/938991586611904512
still think the guy is going to be a problem for teams in a couple years. |
My bad, should've linked it.
Seen anything about how he's shooting off the bounce? |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | adkindo wrote: | as of today (if voted on today) , I would say there are 4 for sure All Rookie 1st Team guys.....
1. Ben Simmons
2. Jayson Tatum
3. Donovan Mitchell
4. Kyle Kuzma |
Those are the four no-brainers. No clear #5 at this point. I might go for Lauri Markkanen. |
I'm torn between him and Collins. |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Also, Jackson's dunk on the Polish Hammer was nasty! |
I had to go find it...had not watched last few games.
https://twitter.com/Suns/status/938991586611904512
still think the guy is going to be a problem for teams in a couple years. |
My bad, should've linked it.
Seen anything about how he's shooting off the bounce? |
no, he is starting now for Booker....still shooting like poo, and a turnover machine....decided I would quit checking up on him so often in hopes of being pleasantly surprised in a couple weeks. |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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CBS - THIS WEEK'S NBA ROOKIE POWER RANKINGS
1. Donovan Mitchell
2. Ben Simmons
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Lonzo Ball
5. Kyle Kuzma
6. Lauri Markkanen
7. OG Anunoby
8. Jordan Bell
9. Frank Ntilikina
10.Bam Adebayo |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | activeverb wrote: | adkindo wrote: | as of today (if voted on today) , I would say there are 4 for sure All Rookie 1st Team guys.....
1. Ben Simmons
2. Jayson Tatum
3. Donovan Mitchell
4. Kyle Kuzma |
Those are the four no-brainers. No clear #5 at this point. I might go for Lauri Markkanen. |
I'm torn between him and Collins. |
If Ball's week turns out to be more of a trend than just a good week, I think his odds are still good at moving into that spot. |
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justsomelakerfan Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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I was sooooooo wrong about Donovan Mitchell I wonder if he was the Lakers' guy when they were trying to trade DLO for a lottery pick (when that story was announced)... him and Lonzo...
I will say this... if the Lakers had the balls to feature Kuzma more how they did when he was starting, he'd be putting up similar scoring numbers that Mitchell is right now. I 100% believe that. It's so frustrating! He's not the defender that Donovan is though.
Also agree that Josh Jackson will look a lot better in a few years. _________________ Austin Reaves
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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2017 Draft by RPM, 12/19/17, out of 454 NBA Players
1) Jayson Tatum...........+2.37 (36th in NBA)
2) OG Anunoby.............+2.33 (37th)
3) Jordan Bell...............+2.29 (38th)
4) Donovan Mitchell.......+0.70 (96th)
5) Jamil Wilson..............-0.35 (165th)
6) John Collins...............-0.35 (166th)
7) Lonzo Ball.................-0.64 (198th)
8) Bam Adebayo............-0.73 (207th)
9) Lauri Markkanen........-0.89 (226th)
10) Josh Hart................-1.20 (254th)
11) Jonathan Isaac........-1.34 (267th)
12) Luke Kennard..........-1.45 (287th)
13) Dillon Brooks...........-1.78 (340th)
14) Zach Collins.............-1.84 (345th)
15) Frank Ntilikina..........-2.29 (392nd)
16) Frank Mason III........-2.48 (401st)
17) Kyle Kuzma..............-2.77 (412th)
18) Terrance Ferguson.....-2.81 (415th)
19) Antonio Blakeney.......-2.95 (420th)
20) Semi Ojeleye.............-3.15 (430th)
21) Wesley Iwundu..........-3.22 (431st)
22) Jawun Evans.............-3.31 (436th)
23) Dwayne Bacon..........-3.32 (437th)
24) Dennis Smith, Jr........-3.38 (439th)
25) Justin Jackson...........-4.38 (448th)
26) Malik Monk...............-4.65 (450th)
27) De'Aaron Fox.............-5.35 (452nd)
28) Josh Jackson.............-5.41 (453rd)
29) Emmanuel Mudiay......-5.60 (454th) |
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Kuz and Zo making a push. Simmons hitting rough patch. Mitchell showing out. This thing ain't over. |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Josh Jackson needs to learn how to shoot or the Suns are going to have to find a way to put a bunch of shooters around him:
The Ringer |
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Josh Jackson needs to learn how to shoot or the Suns are going to have to find a way to put a bunch of shooters around him:
The Ringer |
he is very inefficient...and is a turnover machine....he is having a very Ingram like rookie season. That said, if you bump his MPG up to Lonzo's MPG...his counting stats appear much better @ 17 PPG / 7 RPG / 2 APG. |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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OCWA wrote: | Kuz and Zo making a push. Simmons hitting rough patch. Mitchell showing out. This thing ain't over. |
17/8/9 with a 18.71 PER....I do not think anyone will come close to catching that.....like remotely close. Mitchell and Kuzma could catch him in points, but not across the board....and I can not even envision the kind of push Lonzo would need to get in the conversation.....he would have to average near 25/10/10 the rest of the way. |
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AY2043 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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GoldenThroat wrote: | 2017 Draft by RPM, 12/19/17, out of 454 NBA Players
29) Emmanuel Mudiay......-5.60 (454th) |
Savage |
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