OFFICIAL NBA ROOKIE OF THE YEAR (2017-18)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:29 pm    Post subject:

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1. Ben Simmons - 17 PPG / 8 RPG / 8 APG - PER - 17.90 in 35.5 MPG
2. Donovan Mitchell - 18 PPG / 3 RPG / 3 APG - PER - 16.55 in 31.2 MPG
3. Jayson Tatum - 14 PPG / 6 RPG / 1 APG - PER - 16.68 in 31.4 MPG
4. Kyle Kuzma - 17 PPG / 6 RPG / 2 APG - PER - 14.92 in 31.1 MPG
5. Lauri Markkanen - 15 PPG / 8 RPG / 1 APG - PER - 15.72 in 30.2 MPG

can't figure out which three only score.....


I see many fans of other teams saying we should have taken Tatum. But his assists per game is pretty meh especially considering he plays for one of the best teams in the league. I think Tatum has better BB IQ than become a tunnel visioned guy like Wiggins in coming years, but yea that's an area he needs to improve a lot. If Lonzo can become an above average shooter which I think he will and the signs are good in the last 15 odd games, it's not close with anyone in this draft.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:19 am    Post subject:

saetarubia wrote:
adkindo wrote:
1. Ben Simmons - 17 PPG / 8 RPG / 8 APG - PER - 17.90 in 35.5 MPG
2. Donovan Mitchell - 18 PPG / 3 RPG / 3 APG - PER - 16.55 in 31.2 MPG
3. Jayson Tatum - 14 PPG / 6 RPG / 1 APG - PER - 16.68 in 31.4 MPG
4. Kyle Kuzma - 17 PPG / 6 RPG / 2 APG - PER - 14.92 in 31.1 MPG
5. Lauri Markkanen - 15 PPG / 8 RPG / 1 APG - PER - 15.72 in 30.2 MPG

can't figure out which three only score.....


I see many fans of other teams saying we should have taken Tatum. But his assists per game is pretty meh especially considering he plays for one of the best teams in the league. I think Tatum has better BB IQ than become a tunnel visioned guy like Wiggins in coming years, but yea that's an area he needs to improve a lot. If Lonzo can become an above average shooter which I think he will and the signs are good in the last 15 odd games, it's not close with anyone in this draft.

To me Tatum appears to be on a Kawhi/George trajectory offensively, and the question will be where will he eventually fall on the continuum between the two when it comes to shot efficiency. Like George and Leonard, I see Tatum becoming only an adequate distributor, so his effectiveness as a primary option will come disproportionately from his shot-making: is he still a .600 TS% guy as his usage goes up? PG13 level defense with Kawhi level offense and he'll be a top-10 guy at least.

I think Ball has the higher ceiling because his passing skills and court awareness are so outlier, but he has more work to do to mitigate his weaknesses than Tatum to approach that (higher) ceiling.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:03 am    Post subject:

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You mind if this thread is pretty expansive about rookie class discussion?


I've been hoping for a thread like this. It's a very exciting rookie class

There are enough good rookies for three normal draft classes! Heck, Furkan Korkmaz was one of my favorite players in last year's draft, Bogdan Bogdanovic is coming off of leading his team to the Euroleague Championship game, and even Zhou Qi will get some occasional burn - there are almost too many intriguing storylines to follow.


Are there any holes to Bogdan Bogdanovic's game?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:49 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
justsomelakerfan wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
You mind if this thread is pretty expansive about rookie class discussion?


I've been hoping for a thread like this. It's a very exciting rookie class

There are enough good rookies for three normal draft classes! Heck, Furkan Korkmaz was one of my favorite players in last year's draft, Bogdan Bogdanovic is coming off of leading his team to the Euroleague Championship game, and even Zhou Qi will get some occasional burn - there are almost too many intriguing storylines to follow.


Are there any holes to Bogdan Bogdanovic's game?


None that I have seen.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:28 pm    Post subject:

Also, Jayson Tatum has some baby mama drama?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:17 pm    Post subject:

What is happening with Fultz?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:54 pm    Post subject:

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What is happening with Fultz?

Time honored tradition for Philly lottery rookies to break something. With Fultz, it just happened to be his shot.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:35 am    Post subject:

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What is happening with Fultz?


Just about the strangest damn thing I've ever seen in the NBA, that's all.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:52 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
justsomelakerfan wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
You mind if this thread is pretty expansive about rookie class discussion?


I've been hoping for a thread like this. It's a very exciting rookie class

There are enough good rookies for three normal draft classes! Heck, Furkan Korkmaz was one of my favorite players in last year's draft, Bogdan Bogdanovic is coming off of leading his team to the Euroleague Championship game, and even Zhou Qi will get some occasional burn - there are almost too many intriguing storylines to follow.


Are there any holes to Bogdan Bogdanovic's game?

He's never going to be a plus defender, but he's smart on that end and his offensive game is so pretty: .600 TS% and a 1.5:1 ATR as a SG who can run PnR.

Imagine him out there with Lonzo
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
justsomelakerfan wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
You mind if this thread is pretty expansive about rookie class discussion?


I've been hoping for a thread like this. It's a very exciting rookie class

There are enough good rookies for three normal draft classes! Heck, Furkan Korkmaz was one of my favorite players in last year's draft, Bogdan Bogdanovic is coming off of leading his team to the Euroleague Championship game, and even Zhou Qi will get some occasional burn - there are almost too many intriguing storylines to follow.


Are there any holes to Bogdan Bogdanovic's game?

He's never going to be a plus defender, but he's smart on that end and his offensive game is so pretty: .600 TS% and a 1.5:1 ATR as a SG who can run PnR.

Imagine him out there with Lonzo

I mean, look at this sexy efficiency: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qo9bJSl8Qm8
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:16 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
justsomelakerfan wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
You mind if this thread is pretty expansive about rookie class discussion?


I've been hoping for a thread like this. It's a very exciting rookie class

There are enough good rookies for three normal draft classes! Heck, Furkan Korkmaz was one of my favorite players in last year's draft, Bogdan Bogdanovic is coming off of leading his team to the Euroleague Championship game, and even Zhou Qi will get some occasional burn - there are almost too many intriguing storylines to follow.


Are there any holes to Bogdan Bogdanovic's game?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:10 pm    Post subject:

Tatum not so hot without Kyrie.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:11 pm    Post subject:

Sam Vecenie and Cole Zwicker do a mid-season Top 5 Rookie ranking & discussion on the Game Theory podcast.

Game Theory Podcast @ 27:50
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:24 pm    Post subject:

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Tatum not so hot without Kyrie.


Boston goes from a top 3 offense to bottom 5 without him on the floor.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:50 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
Sam Vecenie and Cole Zwicker do a mid-season Top 5 Rookie ranking & discussion on the Game Theory podcast.

Game Theory Podcast @ 27:50

Care to recap?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:34 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Sam Vecenie and Cole Zwicker do a mid-season Top 5 Rookie ranking & discussion on the Game Theory podcast.

Game Theory Podcast @ 27:50

Care to recap?


start off discussing the Fultz situation....then Ball & Kuzma....also spent time on Markkanen, Taytum, Mitchell and Simmons. Thought they were pretty positive on everyone...just honest analysis from their perspective about each player. My link starts off @ that segment....but the initial part of episode discusses the Ball Bothers in Lithuania with former International NBA scout.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:07 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Sam Vecenie and Cole Zwicker do a mid-season Top 5 Rookie ranking & discussion on the Game Theory podcast.

Game Theory Podcast @ 27:50

Care to recap?


start off discussing the Fultz situation....then Ball & Kuzma....also spent time on Markkanen, Taytum, Mitchell and Simmons. Thought they were pretty positive on everyone...just honest analysis from their perspective about each player. My link starts off @ that segment....but the initial part of episode discusses the Ball Bothers in Lithuania with former International NBA scout.

Danke, I didn't see the time stamp you provided originally. I was hit with Ball brothers in Latvia to start the pod and I checked out on a Saturday night lol.

Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:45 pm    Post subject:

Rising Stars rookie selections:

U.S.

Donovan Mitchell
Lonzo Ball
Kyle Kuzma
Jayson Tatum
DSJ
John Collins

World

Ben Simmons
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Dillon Brooks
Frank Ntilikina
Lauri Markkanen

Biggest snub: OG Anunoby. Better luck next year: Josh Jackson, De'Aaron Fox, Jonathan Isaac, Malik Monk, etc.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:11 pm    Post subject:

Is it still rooks and sophmores or just rooks? I saw somewhere that BI was on the team.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:41 pm    Post subject:

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Is it still rooks and sophmores or just rooks? I saw somewhere that BI was on the team.

It's rooks and sophs, I'm just listing the rookies who made it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:47 am    Post subject:

De'Aaron Fox with the put back dunk game winner!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:41 am    Post subject:

Kuzma #1 & Caruso makes this weeks top 10!

CBS Weekly NBA Rookie Power Rankings

1. Kyle Kuzma
2. Ben Simmons
3. Dennis Smith Jr.
4. Donovan Mitchell
5. Lauri Markkanen
6. Jayson Tatum
7. De'Aaron Fox
8. Bogdan Bogdanovic
9. Dillon Brooks
10. Alex Caruso

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:54 am    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
Kuzma #1 & Caruso makes this weeks top 10!

CBS Weekly NBA Rookie Power Rankings

1. Kyle Kuzma
2. Ben Simmons
3. Dennis Smith Jr.
4. Donovan Mitchell
5. Lauri Markkanen
6. Jayson Tatum
7. De'Aaron Fox
8. Bogdan Bogdanovic
9. Dillon Brooks
10. Alex Caruso

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:59 am    Post subject:

^^^We have now had 4 players make the weekly list this season. That has to be the most in the league. Ball and Kuzma are regulars when healthy....and Hart has been on the list in previous weeks. Maybe Bryant will get called up and have a big week before the season is over.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:59 pm    Post subject:

Congratulations to Josh Jackson for his historic performance!
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