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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:37 am    Post subject:

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When Lonzo was at UCLA, he turned it on when he had to. He took and hit big shots for them in crunch time. He has that mentality in him and it has been said (sometimes begrudgingly) on even the national sports morning shows, he seems to show out on the big stage. And I've said this pre-draft as well, when UCLA started turning it on defensively toward the mid-point of his senior year, Lonzo was leading the way. That's when I knew he had it in him. He just gets unfairly painted by the Steve Alford not coaching defense brush.


Didn't UCLA primarily play zone last season?

I wasn't worried about his defense because of his size combined with his motor. He is also moving his feet well and not getting abused off the dribble by smaller guards any worse than anyone else does.

What I love about him is he doesn't give up on plays when he is beaten and contests the shots really well. Not to mention that he is at Westbrook levels already as far as rebounding which is amazing for a 20 year old kid, he isn't afraid to hang around in the paint and bang with the big guys.

And when he gets a rebound, he knows what to do with the ball. He is already clearly the best outlet passer in the league.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:37 am    Post subject:

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Not wild at all. I respect the counter view, I just think the kid is going to impact the game in a unique way. What he projects to me is more valuable than even an Uber elite big.


That depends a lot on what you think about the value of elite bigs in the modern game. Of course, it also depends on what you expect Ball to become down the line. If your model is Jason Kidd, then I'll take the elite big.


Kidd isn't a great comp if only for reasons of size. He's closer to 6'2", Lonzo is closer to 6'6".

Lonzo is more like a thinner less athletic LBJ with a better shot and an even higher IQ.


Forget height for a second.

What's the difference in the kinds of shots Isaiah Thomas gets compared to Klay Thompson?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:43 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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Omar Little wrote:
Not wild at all. I respect the counter view, I just think the kid is going to impact the game in a unique way. What he projects to me is more valuable than even an Uber elite big.


That depends a lot on what you think about the value of elite bigs in the modern game. Of course, it also depends on what you expect Ball to become down the line. If your model is Jason Kidd, then I'll take the elite big.


Kidd isn't a great comp if only for reasons of size. He's closer to 6'2", Lonzo is closer to 6'6".

Lonzo is more like a thinner less athletic LBJ with a better shot and an even higher IQ.


Forget height for a second.

What's the difference in the kinds of shots Isaiah Thomas gets compared to Klay Thompson?


I'm not quite picking up your point here entirely. You're going to have to further explain for us basketball illiterate folk
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:57 am    Post subject:

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When Lonzo was at UCLA, he turned it on when he had to. He took and hit big shots for them in crunch time. He has that mentality in him and it has been said (sometimes begrudgingly) on even the national sports morning shows, he seems to show out on the big stage. And I've said this pre-draft as well, when UCLA started turning it on defensively toward the mid-point of his senior year, Lonzo was leading the way. That's when I knew he had it in him. He just gets unfairly painted by the Steve Alford not coaching defense brush.


UCLA is solid defensively this year, last year was a personal problem. Lonzo played with 4 bad defenders. But who needs facts when you can hate on Alford right? Now back to Lonzo.


Oh boy, yes, let's have this discussion elsewhere. I assume you're a BRO? But since you brought up facts, UCLA's conference ranks in FG% defense during Alford's tenure has been 6th, 4th, 8th, 5th and 5th this season out of 12 teams. This is UCLA, and by the way I've been a fan for 30+ years same as the Lakers, is pulling in much more talent than everyone sans Arizona. They should be better defensively than they have been under Alford. If you're fine with "solid" for a program with the pedigree of UCLA, then Alford is the right coach for you.

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Didn't UCLA primarily play zone last season?


UCLA plays zone quite a bit under Alford. It's in part because the types of recruits he prioritizes don't typically excel or have the physical makeup in lateral quickness to play man to man extensively.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:14 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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Omar Little wrote:
Not wild at all. I respect the counter view, I just think the kid is going to impact the game in a unique way. What he projects to me is more valuable than even an Uber elite big.


That depends a lot on what you think about the value of elite bigs in the modern game. Of course, it also depends on what you expect Ball to become down the line. If your model is Jason Kidd, then I'll take the elite big.


Kidd isn't a great comp if only for reasons of size. He's closer to 6'2", Lonzo is closer to 6'6".

Lonzo is more like a thinner less athletic LBJ with a better shot and an even higher IQ.


Forget height for a second.

What's the difference in the kinds of shots Isaiah Thomas gets compared to Klay Thompson?


Doesn't this prove my point? The 5'7.5" guy has to dribble and work way harder to get the shot off to create space. Comparing Kidd and Zo is like comparing Kyrie and Kobe. Do I see similarities, of course, but the former will never have a few of the things the latter does.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:57 am    Post subject:

Don Draper wrote:
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Omar Little wrote:
Not wild at all. I respect the counter view, I just think the kid is going to impact the game in a unique way. What he projects to me is more valuable than even an Uber elite big.


That depends a lot on what you think about the value of elite bigs in the modern game. Of course, it also depends on what you expect Ball to become down the line. If your model is Jason Kidd, then I'll take the elite big.


Kidd isn't a great comp if only for reasons of size. He's closer to 6'2", Lonzo is closer to 6'6".

Lonzo is more like a thinner less athletic LBJ with a better shot and an even higher IQ.


I really don’t see the LBJ comparison at all. When you say that he is a thinner, less athletic LBJ, you’re taking away the attributes that defined LBJ as a young player and to a large extent today. LBJ is (and was) a ball dominant scorer who racks up assists and rebounds and is an imposing physical force. Ball isn’t that kind of player, and I don’t foresee him becoming that kind of player.

None of that is a knock on Ball, by the way. I just don’t see the comparison. If you want to say that he’s a taller Jason Kidd, I can see the comparison. By the way, I don’t see the Draymond Green comparisons suggested by other posters, either. The hallmark of Green’s game is physical intimidation. He’s more like Artest.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:03 pm    Post subject:

If Lonzo can be a 18 PPG scorer on 55+% TS then he will become better than Kidd. In the other aspects of the game I think their impact is very similar but scoring is the only area that I see Lonzo having the potential to be better than Jason Kidd.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:35 pm    Post subject:

How'd he do?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:37 pm    Post subject:

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I want Lonzo to improve as a scorer, sure, but part of me wants him to always stay this beautiful 18% USG all-around dynamo.

#noisoBall


I just want him to have that in his back pocket when he needs it. Agreed that I don't want him to change stylistically.

Definitely, and we saw Luke take the ball out of his hands this afternoon until the very end out of concern for how he can attack switches.

I did like that he drove on Powell at least.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:38 pm    Post subject:

He needs to shoot that mid-range shot a little more. He had that nice one in the lane.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:38 pm    Post subject:

Pretty invisible today, the Mav rookie was more dynamic.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:40 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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I want Lonzo to improve as a scorer, sure, but part of me wants him to always stay this beautiful 18% USG all-around dynamo.

#noisoBall


I just want him to have that in his back pocket when he needs it. Agreed that I don't want him to change stylistically.

Definitely, and we saw Luke take the ball out of his hands this afternoon until the very end out of concern for how he can attack switches.

I did like that he drove on Powell at least.


Holy cow 7 assists on 18% usage rate is literally unheard of.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:41 pm    Post subject:

Lonzo +7, Smith -7.

Some nice scoring in the 1st half from DSJ but not really much else.
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Pretty invisible today, the Mav rookie was more dynamic.


DSJ had a great showing but Zo was far from invisible.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:43 pm    Post subject:

Was it a pass to Randle at the end?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:47 pm    Post subject:

jonnybravo wrote:
Holy cow 7 assists on 18% usage rate is literally unheard of.


Not really...
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Now for 20 years old player, that's different...

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:48 pm    Post subject:

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Lonzo +7, Smith -7.

Some nice scoring in the 1st half from DSJ but not really much else.


Yeah, was not impressed. I'll take Lonzo's "invisible" game, 9-7-7 with 0 TO...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:49 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
How'd he do?

9 pts, 7 rebs, 7 dimes +7. Good defense. Not a good shooting night though (4-13 fg./1-7). I'll take it too.


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durden-tyler wrote:
jonnybravo wrote:
Holy cow 7 assists on 18% usage rate is literally unheard of.


Not really...
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Now for 20 years old player, that's different...

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Former laker great Jose Calderon all over that list

Future Laker great Richard Rubio on there as well


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:50 pm    Post subject:

Just saw the highlights.
Lonzo with the "Dirk" over Dirk. Nice.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:52 pm    Post subject:

jonnybravo wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Pretty invisible today, the Mav rookie was more dynamic.


DSJ had a great showing but Zo was far from invisible.

zo had 9,7,7. When finally matched up mano e mano, Zo posted up DSJ and scored easy.
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durden-tyler wrote:
jonnybravo wrote:
Holy cow 7 assists on 18% usage rate is literally unheard of.


Not really...
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Now for 20 years old player, that's different...

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Ah. I guess I'm so used to seeing the Harden's, WEstbrook's and CP3's with their obscene usage.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:53 pm    Post subject:

eddiejonze wrote:
jonnybravo wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Pretty invisible today, the Mav rookie was more dynamic.


DSJ had a great showing but Zo was far from invisible.

zo had 9,7,7. When finally matched up mano e mano, Zo posted us DSJ and scored easy.


Ignore VLF...he takes every angle possible to prop Randle up and Push Lonzo down...dude is a troll.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:54 pm    Post subject:

jonnybravo wrote:
Ah. I guess I'm so used to seeing the Harden's, WEstbrook's and CP3's with their obscene usage.


I was a little surprised too...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:55 pm    Post subject:

Fortysixn2 wrote:
eddiejonze wrote:
jonnybravo wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Pretty invisible today, the Mav rookie was more dynamic.


DSJ had a great showing but Zo was far from invisible.

zo had 9,7,7. When finally matched up mano e mano, Zo posted us DSJ and scored easy.


Ignore VLF...he takes every angle possible to prop Randle up and Push Lonzo down...dude is a troll.


I don't think he's a troll.
Just watches games differently than us.
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