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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:41 pm    Post subject:

Steve007 wrote:
Bol wrote:
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Can't laugh. They weren't going anywhere and they were proactive in getting something for Blake ( who they could have lost for nothing last summer ) and CP, the same.

If they can get decent things for Jordan and Williams, then I'd be strangely optimistic, if I was a Clipper fan.

Put Jerry West in a room with free agents and maybe good things happen, again.

If you're a FA superstar and you're meeting with Jerry West, what gives you the faith that they will quickly build a team around you that is good enough to beat GSW and win a world championship? They'll need 2 guys of that caliber to sign.

With that org's track record, and with the fact that West is like 80 years old and may not want to do this that much longer, what will make them a super attractive FA destination? At the very least, Doc Rivers needs to go. He is a massively overrated coach.


This Clipper organizationís track record is much more solid than this Laker organizationís track record. Sterling and Dr. Buss are gone.


The Clippers traded away CP3 and Blake Griffin in less than a year.

I don't think so.


I agree. We'll see what happens, but to me all they've done is go from a good team that wouldn't win a championship to a bad team that won't win a championship. That's not improvement. They freed up cap space by trading Blake, but are they going to get anyone better than Blake with that money? I doubt it. I mean, he's the kind of player most teams are hoping to sign when they have room. We've all seen plenty of teams with cap space over the last several years end up throwing big contracts at unworthy players. The top FAs are going to places where they're basically guaranteed to win.


They did fine without Blake and he didnít fit that well with the team. So now they got some good players in a deal with him and they did get a 1st round pick.

Very few teams are going to have a shot at beating the Warriors anyway. If they can get any more picks and make it easier to rebuild it makes sense. Blake isnít leading a team to a title, so keeping him for 5 years trying to win is wasting 5 years. He had his chances to win with CP3 and came up short. The sooner they start over the better.


I like Blake's talent but don't think he has great intangibles. If Blake was traded for PG13.1 somehow, I'd worry about the Clippers.

But no, they traded CP3 and Blake. So, they don't even have a good history with their own players.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:49 pm    Post subject:

Bol wrote:
Steve007 wrote:
Bol wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
slavavov wrote:
bum2 wrote:
Can't laugh. They weren't going anywhere and they were proactive in getting something for Blake ( who they could have lost for nothing last summer ) and CP, the same.

If they can get decent things for Jordan and Williams, then I'd be strangely optimistic, if I was a Clipper fan.

Put Jerry West in a room with free agents and maybe good things happen, again.

If you're a FA superstar and you're meeting with Jerry West, what gives you the faith that they will quickly build a team around you that is good enough to beat GSW and win a world championship? They'll need 2 guys of that caliber to sign.

With that org's track record, and with the fact that West is like 80 years old and may not want to do this that much longer, what will make them a super attractive FA destination? At the very least, Doc Rivers needs to go. He is a massively overrated coach.


This Clipper organizationís track record is much more solid than this Laker organizationís track record. Sterling and Dr. Buss are gone.


The Clippers traded away CP3 and Blake Griffin in less than a year.

I don't think so.


I agree. We'll see what happens, but to me all they've done is go from a good team that wouldn't win a championship to a bad team that won't win a championship. That's not improvement. They freed up cap space by trading Blake, but are they going to get anyone better than Blake with that money? I doubt it. I mean, he's the kind of player most teams are hoping to sign when they have room. We've all seen plenty of teams with cap space over the last several years end up throwing big contracts at unworthy players. The top FAs are going to places where they're basically guaranteed to win.


They did fine without Blake and he didnít fit that well with the team. So now they got some good players in a deal with him and they did get a 1st round pick.

Very few teams are going to have a shot at beating the Warriors anyway. If they can get any more picks and make it easier to rebuild it makes sense. Blake isnít leading a team to a title, so keeping him for 5 years trying to win is wasting 5 years. He had his chances to win with CP3 and came up short. The sooner they start over the better.


I understand the logic, but I feel like it ignores the reality of how unlikely it is to actually build a championship team. As an L.A. native and a basketball fan since the 80's, I've witnessed a lot of the Clippers' bleak history. They basically sucked for 30 years trying to get a legit star, and Blake was by far the best player and biggest star they ever drafted. Getting him meant they weren't a joke anymore, so a player like CP3 was willing to go there. Throwing that away just means going right back to being a team wandering around in the wilderness looking for a star, searching for an identity. Could they get lucky and draft the next LeBron? Sure, but the odds are extremely low. Being a solid playoff team is pretty good, especially for a team with the history of the Clippers. And the most likely ceiling for their rebuilding is that they will just become a playoff team again. Getting the players to win a title takes a ton of luck.

Sometimes if you have it good, I think it's better just to enjoy it while it lasts rather than starting over because you think you could have it even better.


Not sure how I feel about that. Winning championships is hard but shouldnít that still be the goal? 50 win seasons hasnít made them popular even in their own city.

DeAndrew Jordan can leave in the off-season so even if they kept Blake the future didnít look good for them. Even this season they were struggling to make the playoffs with Blake.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:12 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Steve007 wrote:
Bol wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
slavavov wrote:
bum2 wrote:
Can't laugh. They weren't going anywhere and they were proactive in getting something for Blake ( who they could have lost for nothing last summer ) and CP, the same.

If they can get decent things for Jordan and Williams, then I'd be strangely optimistic, if I was a Clipper fan.

Put Jerry West in a room with free agents and maybe good things happen, again.

If you're a FA superstar and you're meeting with Jerry West, what gives you the faith that they will quickly build a team around you that is good enough to beat GSW and win a world championship? They'll need 2 guys of that caliber to sign.

With that org's track record, and with the fact that West is like 80 years old and may not want to do this that much longer, what will make them a super attractive FA destination? At the very least, Doc Rivers needs to go. He is a massively overrated coach.


This Clipper organizationís track record is much more solid than this Laker organizationís track record. Sterling and Dr. Buss are gone.


The Clippers traded away CP3 and Blake Griffin in less than a year.

I don't think so.


I agree. We'll see what happens, but to me all they've done is go from a good team that wouldn't win a championship to a bad team that won't win a championship. That's not improvement. They freed up cap space by trading Blake, but are they going to get anyone better than Blake with that money? I doubt it. I mean, he's the kind of player most teams are hoping to sign when they have room. We've all seen plenty of teams with cap space over the last several years end up throwing big contracts at unworthy players. The top FAs are going to places where they're basically guaranteed to win.


They did fine without Blake and he didnít fit that well with the team. So now they got some good players in a deal with him and they did get a 1st round pick.

Very few teams are going to have a shot at beating the Warriors anyway. If they can get any more picks and make it easier to rebuild it makes sense. Blake isnít leading a team to a title, so keeping him for 5 years trying to win is wasting 5 years. He had his chances to win with CP3 and came up short. The sooner they start over the better.


I like Blake's talent but don't think he has great intangibles. If Blake was traded for PG13.1 somehow, I'd worry about the Clippers.

But no, they traded CP3 and Blake. So, they don't even have a good history with their own players.


I didnít agree with the comment that the Clipper organizations track record is better. I just donít see this as a bad trade. You shouldnít just keep Blake because you are scared to look bad if you trade him.

CP3 looks like a difficult person to get along with and Blake only seems to improve on offense, not defense. They tried the experiment for 6 years and it didnít work. I donít remember ever thinking they were a championship team. They never even won in the second round. For 3 years in a row they didnít play the Warriors because they lost to someone else, and if they did play the Warriors they would have been embarrassed. A team should go for a higher goal than that.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:14 pm    Post subject:

Clippers did one thing right, they hired Jerry West...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:03 am    Post subject:

unleasHell wrote:
Clippers did one thing right, they hired Jerry West...


Yeah, the dude build the Lakers and Warriors dynasties, and helped turn the Grizzlies around. Not saying he'll bring the Clippers to the Finals, but at least he knows what he's doing.

People wanted the Clippers to blow it up for years, and now they have.
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