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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:59 am    Post subject:

WindyCityLakerFan wrote:
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They are handling this all wrong. He won't take a buyout?

1. Assign him to the G League.

2. Run him hard in practice. Have him run lines and laps for an hour.

3. Have him do 3 ice-baths a day.

4. Play him 35 minutes a game.

5. Let him enjoy bus travel on the road and team motel.

6. Offer him a one-time buyout, or it's non-stop laps and 35 minutes, buses and motels.


You missed

7. Force him to sweep out the gym.


I can only hope you are having some fun with a bad situation and not blaming this on Deng.

Lakers chose to dramatically change direction with their plans. They chose to bench him to develop the young players. They chose his role, not Deng.

From all accounts he is being a absolute professional during this. Attending practices and working with the young players. Goes on road trips and attends games but stays in the locker room instead of being a distraction on the bench. Has not complained or made negative comments in the media.

Trying to "punish" him somehow for the FO's decision would only backfire and needlessly antagonize the situation.

I would love for him to accept a low ball buyout. Hell even a somewhat painful "fair" one would work for me. But apparently they can't come to terms. Very likely just as much a decision from the Lakers standpoint as from Deng's.



the problem is we do not want to do the buyout.
we want to trade him with picks to clear the entire salary.


According to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN, however, the Lakers have virtually given up on moving Deng via a trade.

“You talk to teams around the league, no one is bailing the Lakers out with Deng’s contract. They’re not," he reported on the Full Court Press show (h/t Lakers Outsiders). "Teams have asked for multiple first-round picks. They've asked for Brandon Ingram. They’ll ask for Kyle Kuzma. The Lakers have essentially given up on the idea that they can trade Deng."

I'm not sure if they didn't want to give up two of their own or the Cleveland pick moves the needle but Woj sounded like they didn't want to do any picks


i remember this also but thought it was before the trade.

if they want to keep randle while signing lbj and pg, they actually would have trouble fitting the salary in from 2018 pick.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:01 am    Post subject:

Corey Brewer.

Why?



Deng should be playing.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:42 am    Post subject:

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If Deng is stretched before July 1, Magic and Rob are going for it this's summer, not 2019.


The final result of stretching would be, now or then, exactly the same.


Not true. If the Lakers are gonna wait until 2019, stretching him now makes no sense. They could just hold onto him a trade hm next summer when he would then be an expiring contract and much more easier to move.



It appears that you are misinterpreting what rogers49 meant.

Why is July 1 the key date for stretching Deng?


July 1 is the first day of free agency. Before you can go and make a pitch to Lebron and PG and possibly keep Randle, you need to know what your working with, money wise. If you are gonna try to convince Lebron to take "X" amount of dollars so that we can still sign PG and keep Randle, Deng need to be stretched. If you are gonna wait and sign 1 max guy and roll the rest over til 2019, no need to stretch him.


That don't change one comma on the fact that stretching Deng today or on July 1st will cost exactly the same.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:45 am    Post subject:

Harlemlakerfan wrote:
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Harlemlakerfan wrote:
rogers49 wrote:
Harlemlakerfan wrote:
If Deng is stretched before July 1, Magic and Rob are going for it this's summer, not 2019.


The final result of stretching would be, now or then, exactly the same.


Not true. If the Lakers are gonna wait until 2019, stretching him now makes no sense. They could just hold onto him a trade hm next summer when he would then be an expiring contract and much more easier to move.



It appears that you are misinterpreting what rogers49 meant.

Why is July 1 the key date for stretching Deng?


July 1 is the first day of free agency. Before you can go and make a pitch to Lebron and PG and possibly keep Randle, you need to know what your working with, money wise. If you are gonna try to convince Lebron to take "X" amount of dollars so that we can still sign PG and keep Randle, Deng need to be stretched. If you are gonna wait and sign 1 max guy and roll the rest over til 2019, no need to stretch him.



If they are going to be making a pitch to LeBron and a pitch to Paul George in July, then wouldn't it be premature to waive Deng before July 1?

If Paul George comes to the Lakers and LeBron doesn't, then that would be signing one Max player and rolling the rest to 2019.

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If you are gonna wait and sign 1 max guy and roll the rest over til 2019, no need to stretch him


In your one 2018 Max and roll the rest to 2019 plan, Deng wouldn't be waived in summer 2018. Yet waiving Deng before Free Agency even starts with Paul George and LeBron fuzzy about joining would be taking a chance of going against your philosophy of not waiving Deng in summer 2018 unless needed.



By the time that free agency starts in July, they should have mapped out multiple roster scenarios and the team salary for each scenario.

1. LeBron and Paul George

2. LeBron and not Paul George

3. Paul George and not LeBron

4. Neither LeBron or Paul George

etc


The formula for calculating the charge against team salary for the stretching of Deng's contract is very straightforward, so no uncertainty there.

The playbook for the FO might have 100 different scenarios and 100 variations of the team salary, but they will have quite a bit of time to map out and consider each scenario before free agency starts.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:26 am    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
Harlemlakerfan wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Harlemlakerfan wrote:
rogers49 wrote:
Harlemlakerfan wrote:
If Deng is stretched before July 1, Magic and Rob are going for it this's summer, not 2019.


The final result of stretching would be, now or then, exactly the same.


Not true. If the Lakers are gonna wait until 2019, stretching him now makes no sense. They could just hold onto him a trade hm next summer when he would then be an expiring contract and much more easier to move.



It appears that you are misinterpreting what rogers49 meant.

Why is July 1 the key date for stretching Deng?


July 1 is the first day of free agency. Before you can go and make a pitch to Lebron and PG and possibly keep Randle, you need to know what your working with, money wise. If you are gonna try to convince Lebron to take "X" amount of dollars so that we can still sign PG and keep Randle, Deng need to be stretched. If you are gonna wait and sign 1 max guy and roll the rest over til 2019, no need to stretch him.



If they are going to be making a pitch to LeBron and a pitch to Paul George in July, then wouldn't it be premature to waive Deng before July 1?

If Paul George comes to the Lakers and LeBron doesn't, then that would be signing one Max player and rolling the rest to 2019.

Quote:

If you are gonna wait and sign 1 max guy and roll the rest over til 2019, no need to stretch him


In your one 2018 Max and roll the rest to 2019 plan, Deng wouldn't be waived in summer 2018. Yet waiving Deng before Free Agency even starts with Paul George and LeBron fuzzy about joining would be taking a chance of going against your philosophy of not waiving Deng in summer 2018 unless needed.



By the time that free agency starts in July, they should have mapped out multiple roster scenarios and the team salary for each scenario.

1. LeBron and Paul George

2. LeBron and not Paul George

3. Paul George and not LeBron

4. Neither LeBron or Paul George

etc


The formula for calculating the charge against team salary for the stretching of Deng's contract is very straightforward, so no uncertainty there.

The playbook for the FO might have 100 different scenarios and 100 variations of the team salary, but they will have quite a bit of time to map out and consider each scenario before free agency starts.



The problem is dumping Deng probably needs the 2018 pick. It may be much more difficult to dump Deng after a player has already been picked. And can a picked player be traded right away? Not sure.
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