Now that it is possible to trade the 2019 pick, what are the options?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:18 am    Post subject:

SOLakerFan wrote:
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There are no options regarding Deng, people need to stop hypothesizing scenarios to dump him for picks. Heís going to be stretched for $7.2 million dollars a year, itís not that much. No other team will take a mid 1st round pick for a $36mil corpse.


There are plenty of options regarding Deng. If the Lakers want to give up 2 1st round picks (and maybe a 2nd) than I think someone would be willing to take on Deng's contract.

We could also trade a 1st round pick and Deng for a contract a player/contract with less money owed. We could then stretch this player and have a smaller cap hit.

The main question for the FO is, assuming we get 2 max players, is it more advantageous to have Randle or 2 1st rounds picks? I think it would be better to have Randle, because he is a proven player and is more ready to compete now, which is important once you bring in Lebron and PG.


Why does saving 7% of the teamís cap space become so drastically important that we need to give up two draft picks to do it? This has become a bit of an obsession with some folks and itís crazy. Weíll have $60mil in cap space next year and itís more than enough to sign 2 max players if we can convince them to come. Throwing away draft picks is stupid, this yearís draft is proof. Young players can be very productive and theyíre cheap.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:08 am    Post subject:

I think SOLakerfan hit the nail on the head. That 7% of the capspace can literally be the difference between whether we add Randle with the 2 max FAs or we just add the 2 max FAs alone

So are 2 draft picks in the 20s worth more than Randle (who was a lottery pick) in the draft.

I agree with SOLakerfan, if Lebron and George come, we're in win now mode. Randle is ready to win now. Our draft picks would take too long to develop. Also its rare for draft picks in their 20s to turn out to be gems, Kuzma notwithstanding.

Additionally, I still believe every dollar counts. We had to trade away Nwaba and his 800k contract to give KCP the full 18 mil if I remember correctly. KCP wasn't going to come otherwise. I am pretty sure other FAs will also insist on every penny they can get or they won't sign.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:45 pm    Post subject:

The Lakers need to make a decision on Zubac by June 30, and Bryant & Ennis by July 5, otherwise their salaries guarantee. Let's assume they try to maximize cap space and let all of them go. They're left with:

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Lonzo    $7,461,960 (est. baseline scale amount)
Deng    $18,000,000
Hart     $1,394,520 (est. baseline scale amount)
Ingram   $5,757,120 (est. baseline scale amount)
Kuzma    $1,689,840 (est. baseline scale amount)
2018 #25 $1,385,000 (est. position & baseline scale amount)
Holds    $5,140,000 (est. empty roster charges)


This adds up to $40,828,440. With a $101M estimated cap, that leaves $60,171,560 in cap room. The 10+ year max (eg: Bron) will be $35,350,000, and the 7-9 year max (eg: PG) will be $30,300,000. Signing both would take about $4.622 million more than they have. And in the process they'd have to lose Brewer, KCP, Ennis, Frye, Lopez, Randle, IT and Zu (and still not have enough).

If they do a straight waive & stretch of Deng they'd gain another $11.495M in cap room. That brings their room to about $69.95M -- enough to sign both players with about $5.3M left to spare. That's not enough to hang onto Randle or any of their other FAs's Bird rights -- their cap holds are all larger than that amount, but they could keep two of Zu, Ennis and Bryant, or use the cap room to chase someone else.

Note that the only way to keep Randle would be to find a trade for Luol, get creative with an extend-and-stretch scenario, or find a suitable sign-and-trade for Bron or PG.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:25 pm    Post subject:

LarryCoon wrote:
The Lakers need to make a decision on Zubac by June 30, and Bryant & Ennis by July 5, otherwise their salaries guarantee. Let's assume they try to maximize cap space and let all of them go. They're left with:

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Lonzo    $7,461,960 (est. baseline scale amount)
Deng    $18,000,000
Hart     $1,394,520 (est. baseline scale amount)
Ingram   $5,757,120 (est. baseline scale amount)
Kuzma    $1,689,840 (est. baseline scale amount)
2018 #25 $1,385,000 (est. position & baseline scale amount)
Holds    $5,140,000 (est. empty roster charges)


This adds up to $40,828,440. With a $101M estimated cap, that leaves $60,171,560 in cap room. The 10+ year max (eg: Bron) will be $35,350,000, and the 7-9 year max (eg: PG) will be $30,300,000. Signing both would take about $4.622 million more than they have. And in the process they'd have to lose Brewer, KCP, Ennis, Frye, Lopez, Randle, IT and Zu (and still not have enough).

If they do a straight waive & stretch of Deng they'd gain another $11.495M in cap room. That brings their room to about $69.95M -- enough to sign both players with about $5.3M left to spare. That's not enough to hang onto Randle or any of their other FAs's Bird rights -- their cap holds are all larger than that amount, but they could keep two of Zu, Ennis and Bryant, or use the cap room to chase someone else.

Note that the only way to keep Randle would be to find a trade for Luol, get creative with an extend-and-stretch scenario, or find a suitable sign-and-trade for Bron or PG.
scenario #1. Letting go of IT. HOw much do we have to spend in that scenario?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:44 pm    Post subject:

Wonder if Lonzo + Zubac + pick + Deng could have netted us PG from the Thunder? Had that gone thru, we would have rolled with this until season end:

Lopez/T.Bryant
Randle/Frye
Kuzma/Brewer
PG/Hart
Ingram/Thomas/Caruso

That could have been interesting, and we would have a MAX available to use this summer, or next.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:46 pm    Post subject:

Lakers are not trading Lonzo.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:59 pm    Post subject:

How illegal is it to do a wink wink deal and draft a player another team wants with your pick, package it with another, and send off Deng as well?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:57 pm    Post subject:

CalisFinest wrote:
How illegal is it to do a wink wink deal and draft a player another team wants with your pick, package it with another, and send off Deng as well?


I mean, this happens quite often, no? Just last year, the Lakers asked the Nets to take Kuzma with their pick and completed the DLO trade soon after. Kyle wasn't wearing a Lakers hat on the stage with Adam Silver.

So in your scenario, prior to the draft, let's say the Lakers call up the Hawks or Mavs, two teams with cap space and looking for picks. "We'll give you next years pick, Deng, and whoever you want us to draft at #27." Then the heavens part and the Lakers can keep Randle while signing two maxes a week later.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:28 am    Post subject: Re: Now that it is possible to trade the 2019 pick, what are the options?

Vanquish wrote:
I was reading the media reports and something that doesn't seem to be mentioned is that I think we can now trade our 2019 pick since we have gotten a 2018 pick. I think the rule is that a team must have a draft selection once every 2 years.

Could this be huge for us? Like does Deng become more palatable to a team like the Nets if we give them our 2019 pick (top 3 protected) and like a couple of 2nd round draft picks? or the 2019 and 2021 first round picks if we're sure we can get both Lebron and PG13.

Or could the 2019 pick be used to get us back a nice player given how valuable picks are in the current salary cap structure.

We might now be able to keep Randle, given the new possibilities having our 2019 pick as a tradable asset brings to us.


I remember there being A LOT of complaining on the forum about the team trading away first round pick after first round pick even before the Nash trade. I often disagreed but there was a reason for the complaining. Even the low picks are a tool teams can use to get good players.

Kuzma was taken with the 27th pick. Marc Gasol was taken with the 48th pick. Clarkson was taken with the 46th pick. You do need to get lucky to get those types of players, but it does happen so letís not give away the picks just so the team can get rid of scrubs.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:01 am    Post subject:

kevin61 wrote:

Why does saving 7% of the teamís cap space become so drastically important that we need to give up two draft picks to do it? This has become a bit of an obsession with some folks and itís crazy. Weíll have $60mil in cap space next year and itís more than enough to sign 2 max players if we can convince them to come. Throwing away draft picks is stupid, this yearís draft is proof. Young players can be very productive and theyíre cheap.


You would think after witnessing Jim and Mitch de-emphasizing the draft and giving up all of our 1st round picks from 2008-2013, then subsequently watching the team fall completely into the crapper after the Kobe-Gasol dynasty ran its course due to old age, (and watching this year as we'll have to give up a lottery pick in what might be a really good draft) might make Laker fans a little less cavalier about just dumping draft picks if it's not going to land us a star player.
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