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 Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:24 pm Post subject: Ray Allen, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash headline 2018 Hall of Fame finalists |
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http://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/02/17/ray-allen-jason-kidd-steve-nash-headline-2018-hall-of-fame-finalists/
| Quote: | Ray Allen, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash headline 2018 Hall of Fame finalists
LOS ANGELES — It’s a good year for guards.
The Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame announced the Finalists for the class of 2018, and you could put together one heck of a modern NBA lineup: Steve Nash and Jason Kidd in the backcourt, Ray Allen on the wing with Grant Hill as your small-ball four and Chris Webber at center.
They were five of the 13 North American nominees for the Hall, men and women. Also very deservedly being honored with the 2018 Curt Gowdy Media Award: longtime and iconic NBA photographer Andy Bernstein, and ESPN basketball analyst Doris Burke. There are not two more deserving — or better — people.
The Hall of Fame Class of 2018 will be announced at the Saturday of the Final Four in April.
Here is who voters will be choosing amongst:
RAY ALLEN. Jesus Shuttlesworth should be a lock in his first time on the ballot, he has as pure a jump shot as the league has ever seen. Allen is a two-time NBA Champion (2008 Boston Celtics and 2013 Miami Heat), was named an All-Star 10 times, and (for now at least) is the NBA career leader in three-point field goals made. Before getting to the NBA he was a 1996 First Team All-American at UConn. Just to add to the resume, he has an Olympic gold medal (2000). But when you think of Allen, you’ll think of this shot.
JASON KIDD. Another lock to get in first ballot. Kidd one of the greatest point guards of his generation, he’s got an impressive resume as an NBA champion (2011 Dallas Mavericks), five-time All-NBA First Team, four-times All-Defensive First Team, a 10-time NBA All-Star, and the 1995 NBA Co-Rookie of the Year. At the University of California, Kidd was named Pac-10 Player of the Year and a consensus First-Team All American in 1994.
GRANT HILL. If all you remember is the post-2000, post-injury Grant Hill, you missed out. He was the 1995 Co-Rookie of the Year (with Kidd), five-times All-NBA, a seven-time NBA All-Star, and in college at Duke was a member of two NCAA national championship teams (1991, 1992). Hill also has a gold medal in the 1996 Olympic Games, and he’s been very active in philanthropic efforts off the court.
STEVE NASH. Born in South Africa and raised in Canada, Nash is a two-time NBA MVP who helped revolutionize the NBA with the seven-seconds or less Suns. He’s an eight-time NBA All-Star, and three-time All-NBA First Team member. Hie is third in all-time assists and holds the NBA record for highest career free throw percentage (.904).
MAURICE CHEEKS. A lock-down defender for most of his 15-year career, Cheeks is an NBA champion (the 1983 Philadelphia 76ers) and a four-time NBA All-Star. Cheeks is still involved in the game and is currently an assistant coach for the Oklahoma City Thunder.
CHRIS WEBBER. Nominated again, we’ll see if he gets in this time, considering his college and NBA impact he should be. Webber is a five-time NBA All-Star, three-time All-NBA, and the 1994 NBA Rookie of the Year. In college at Michigan he was a key member of the “Fab Five,” that revolutionized the college game.
CHARLES “LEFTY’ DRIESELL. Driesell is the only coach in NCAA history to win 100 games at four different schools and just one of 11 coaches to lead four schools to the NCAA Tournament. He is remembered as the coach at Maryland for many years as well as the inventor of the “Midnight Madness” concept.
HUGH EVANS. He was an NBA referee for 28 seasons, officiating nearly 2,000 regular season games, 170 NBA Playoff games, 35 NBA Finals games and four NBA All-Star games. In the summer he used to ref at Rucker Park in New York.
RUDY TOMJANOVICH. Tomjanovich coached the Houston Rockets to NBA Championships in 1994 and 1995 and is one of three coaches to win an NBA championship and an Olympic Gold Medal. He led USA Basketball to a gold medal in the 2000 Olympics in Sydney, Australia.
From the women’s committee:
KIM MULKEY. Mulkey has led the Baylor Bear to two NCAA National Championships (2005, 2012) and 16 NCAA Tournament appearances.
KATIE SMITH. The WNBA Finals MVP (2008) and a two-time WNBA Champion with the Detroit Shock (2006, 2008), she also has three Olympic gold medals. Smith played for the Ohio State University (1992-1996) and was the first female Buckeye athlete to have her number retired.
TINA THOMPSON. Thompson is a four-time WNBA Champion with the Houston Comets (1997- 2000) and a nine-time WNBA All-Star. She is one of the greatest WNBA players in the league’s history.
WAYLAND BAPTIST UNIVERSITY. Long before women’s college basketball became an NCAA sport in 1982, the Wayland Baptist University women’s basketball team won 131 consecutive games from 1953-58 and 10 AAU National Championships overall. |
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I'm not sure why Cheeks popped up on the list. He wouldn't be a terrible pick for the HoF, but when you've been retired for a quarter of a century, why are you popping up on the list now? There is something weird about the HoF voting process, I guess. Wasn't it Jo Jo White last year or the year before?
I don't know about Rudy T as a coach. How could you put someone like him in the HoF when Bill Fitch and Dick Motta haven't made it? They coached some bad teams at points in their career, and they ended up with losing records. Okay, but Rudy T had about half the number of wins, and he was never voted CotY. Fitch has two of those trophies.
As for Tina Thompson, ESPN should do a 30 for 30 about the Houston Comets. They won four straight championships, then folded a few years later. There's a story in there about the difficulties of women's professional team sports. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | I'm not sure why Cheeks popped up on the list. He wouldn't be a terrible pick for the HoF, but when you've been retired for a quarter of a century, why are you popping up on the list now? There is something weird about the HoF voting process, I guess. Wasn't it Jo Jo White last year or the year before?
I don't know about Rudy T as a coach. How could you put someone like him in the HoF when Bill Fitch and Dick Motta haven't made it? They coached some bad teams at points in their career, and they ended up with losing records. Okay, but Rudy T had about half the number of wins, and he was never voted CotY. Fitch has two of those trophies.
As for Tina Thompson, ESPN should do a 30 for 30 about the Houston Comets. They won four straight championships, then folded a few years later. There's a story in there about the difficulties of women's professional team sports. |
I was curious about this so I looked it up and realized that the WNBA only has 12 teams left.....wow....quite a few teams folded and Las Vegas has a WNBA team now which was a relocation. I remember when the WNBA started the New York Liberty played at MSG, next season they will play in a 5000 seat arena. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | I remember when the WNBA started the New York Liberty played at MSG, next season they will play in a 5000 seat arena. |
That's too big.
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Good argument: J.Kidd vs R.Allen vs S.Nash
I'd go J.Kidd > S.Nash > R.Allen (Kidd and Nash can be your #1 while Allen is best as #2 or #3) |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | I'm not sure why Cheeks popped up on the list. He wouldn't be a terrible pick for the HoF, but when you've been retired for a quarter of a century, why are you popping up on the list now? There is something weird about the HoF voting process, I guess. Wasn't it Jo Jo White last year or the year before? |
Over the last 5 years, they've let in so many guys who were waiting around for decades, it makes it seems like some big internal change has happened.
It's hard to know because their processes are so secretive. It may be as simple as they changed a bunch of their voters, and so all the old guys who were on the sidelines for years and years are being pushed through. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | ESPN should do a 30 for 30 about the Houston Comets. They won four straight championships, then folded a few years later. There's a story in there about the difficulties of women's professional team sports. |
honestly had no idea the Comets were no longer a team....how is there no team in the 4th largest city in the country? |
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| Ray Allen is not a HOF imo. |
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Disappointing four time DPOY Ben Wallace isn't on the list.
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| adkindo wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | ESPN should do a 30 for 30 about the Houston Comets. They won four straight championships, then folded a few years later. There's a story in there about the difficulties of women's professional team sports. |
honestly had no idea the Comets were no longer a team....how is there no team in the 4th largest city in the country? |
The league averages about 7700 per game, and most of the teams reportedly lose money. Basically, you need to have an owner who is willing to bet on the come. One day, women's team sports might become more important.
The Comets were originally owned by Les Alexander of the Rockets. He lost interest and sold to someone (I don't remember who). The new owner gave up quickly and tried to sell the team for $10 million. There were no buyers, so the league took over the team and folded it. This was a team with four titles and five MVPs (two for Cynthia Cooper and three for Sheryl Swoopes).
The sad truth is that four of the original eight teams failed, and a fifth team has moved twice. As I said, there's a good 30 for 30 in the story of the Houston Comets. It wouldn't be about the Comets as much as about women's pro team sports. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: |
The sad truth is that four of the original eight teams failed, and a fifth team has moved twice. As I said, there's a good 30 for 30 in the story of the Houston Comets. It wouldn't be about the Comets as much as about women's pro team sports. |
The reality is relatively few people enjoy watching women play basketball.
Attendance for the women's NCAA regional finals last year hit a 20-year low.
Men find the games boring. Women who like sports don't watch it. |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | Ray Allen is not a HOF imo. |
He's a no-brainer Hall of Famer. 19 ppg and 40% for 3s over 1,300 games. 10 all-star games, 2 rings. All-time leader in 3-pointers made. Top 25 in career points. Basketball-reference has his H of F probability at 99.9%. |
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